On Diet & Immortality, immortals, meat, garlic, grains & water

I was browsing the net when I stumbled across this Wikipedia article:

Wikipedia > Xian (Daoist immortal)

Pretty interesing stuff. Especially the part about being "not anxious like ordinary people." Some was more interesing than other parts. Then I noticed this:

I think it's interesting that her diet consisted of herbs. But I think it's even more interesting that the ancient Chinese called raw fish, pork, dog, leeks, scallions, and grains the "Three Corpses food."

We've talked before about how many domestic animals and some other animals are actually the result of genetic experiments that took place in the days of Atlantis. I wrote:

And Kin confirmed this.

Interesting, also, that the ancient Hebrews knew enough to not eat any pork, claiming it to be "unclean" and unfit for consumption. (They also forbid the consumption of shellfish, so I wonder if there is anything to that... ) And dogs are domesticated animals quite different from Wolves. (But what kind of people wants to eat them? )

BTW: Both the leek and the scallion are vegetables which belongs to the same family as the onion and garlic. The mass media and most popular nutrition and natural health experts will claim that garlic is good for health. But I've found a couple obscure sources which claim otherwise:

Health, Wealth & Happiness (relfe.com) > Garlic Desynchronises your Brainwaves - Bob Becks talk about Garlic
Health Benefits of Garlic - Beware! It's the Opposite of What you Might Think

Well, we have a copy of "Jerry Baker's Backyard Problem Solver" and it talks about how garlic is used to both repel animal pests and to kill and repel insects. The index even has a listing for "Garlic, as a pesticide" and there are several powerful tonics which incorporate garlic as an ingredient.

BTW, Jerry Baker is a world-renowned gardener and our family finds his old-time tonics and gardening advise to be pretty useful. They do seem to work.

Dr. Bob Beck is not the only one who says that garlic (and onions) are bad for us. It seems that Taoists and Reiki practitioners have believed this for ages:

Reiki Empowerment Seminars > Taoist Knowledge - Garlic & other pungent plants that dissipate the Primeval Breath of the five organs - unwholesome consequences & reactions
http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au...ets/taoist.html

The article continues with the comments of a reader on Taoism:

This post has been edited by life_matrix on 6th Mar 2008, 09:41 AM

I remembered reading before about how grains and nuts might be unhealthy. I know some people who gain weight very rapidly if they eat any grains. And nut allergies are very commonplace. Also, those afflicted with Crohn's Disease are sometimes warned against eating wheat and other gluten grains:

Constipation, Obstipation, feeling sluggish, brainfogs

I also remember reading an article from some website saying something very similar. Besides grains, it also warned agains consuming nuts for the same reason. (Though, I can't seem to find it at the moment.)

This, in turn, also reminds me of some stuff I once heard on an infomercial advertising a comprehensive bowel cleans program. Pretty disgusting stuff, to be sure! But it could be important. They even showed a photo of what the compacted bowel matter removed from someone's colen actually looks like. The spokesperson claimed that removing this crud really improves one's health, longevity, and sense of well-being.

They also quoted some passage from an ancient midevil text. (I forget exactly. Something from some time in the Middle Ages.) It described a person who claimed to have lived a really long life. (I think it was about 200.) There was mention about something unusual with his diet. After he died, the King ordered an autopsey (unheard of in those days) to determine the source of his longevity. The (alchemists?) reported that his organs were in incredibly good condition and the only other thing unusual they found was that his colen was as clean as that of a small child or infant.

On a related matter:

I believe that a lot of health problems - and the aging process itself - are related in some way to Heavy Water. You know, water (H2O) which contains deuterium in place of one or more hydrogen atoms. It's an isotope, meaning it has extra neutrons. It's slightly radioactive and toxic to living organisms. There is also something similar called Tritiated Water or "Super-heavy Water." This is water containing the even heavier and rarer isotope of hydrogen called "Tritium." Tritiated Water also happens to be corrosive!

The really unfortunate thing is:
ALL water around the globe contains both Heavy Water and Super-heavy Water in trace amounts! However, I believe I read something about how the ice from the polar caps has this in significantly less concentrations.

Conventional science believes that it's presence is natural - like the deposits of uranium and other radioactive stuff. However, I think this might have to do with those Ancient Atomic Wars. You know, as mentioned in the ancient Vedic (Indian) texts. There is more than ample evidence of several atomic wars that took place on Earth in ancient times. It's a little known fact that there are numerous places on the earth in which tiny glass beads are present in the rock and soil - even deep in undisturbed ground. These are only supposed to form from sand and rock exposed to a nuclear explosion. Furthermore, many of these areas have unusually high or even dangerous levels of radiation.

Remember, some of that stuff has a half-life of thousands, millions, even billions of years. So if there were nuclear wars thousands or millions of years ago the area would probably still be radioactive.

Where does the heavy water fit in? Many nuke reactors have to use heavy water to control the reaction. And guess where they get it? They have huge plants that process water through distillation, electrolysis, or chemical exchange. They have to process millions of gallons to get just a tiny amount. But heavy water is actually toxic and radioactive. And some can be absorbed through the skin just by touching the stuff.

Wikipedia > Heavy Water

Remember the Old Testament where it talks about Methusala and other biblical figures? They were recorded as having lived for many hundreds of years. And there is considerable evidence that the Old Testament borrows heavily from even older cultures and writing, such as from the Ancient Egyptians and Sumarians. I'm think that, perhaps, living hundreds of years was a common occurance before this world experienced it's last ancient atomic war, before heavy water and radioactive contamination became more prevalent. I sometimes wonder how much longer a natural livespan we might have if the water we drank and bathed in had absolutely no trace of hydrogen isotopes...

Let's clarify a few issues ....

No-one uses DDT because it is banned in Murka (did you know that?).
Read Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" ... she blew the whistle on its use in the late 1950's, and early 1960's. Ground breaking stuff, a seminal work, one recognised as starting the environmental movement. She was an Amurkan, ahe died of cancer shortly after her book was published. An environmental martyr!!

DDT is sold in third world countries, but who gives a shit? The manufacturers don't, money is money, people are in denial about this going on & always have been, and life is good back home ... fuck the third worlders, there's too many of them anyway. Besides, we can then sell them our cancer (sorry, anti-cancer) medicines, and make more money.

Next, what to eat?? Any ideas Benj?

No meat, grains, beans (pulses, soya) nuts are now out, scrap the onion (Alium spp.) family .... it's not looking good? Any we are not here talking about the murkan-archetype, you know, the 250 lb plus blubber-soar what meditates on how to daily cram another double cheeseburger and fries into their piano-teeth mouth. No, they are already dead meat. We are talking about discernment and choice of those who have thought and researched long and hard about what they eat.

Do you recommend anything here? And please don't just say you are only reporting the information ... such an 'objective disconnectedness', as always striven for by science, is maya. Does not exist. If you (ie. anyone) make an observation, experiment, run a survey etc., you are involved, and mave altered the existence of the thing, it is not it was before. So, what does one eat, and I am already a functional vegetarian, there ain't a lot left. No, I do not like grass, so herbs is it?? Tried it Ben? Tried fasting, cleansing diets ... just what are you advocating??

Next, deuterium and tritium are naturally occurring isotopes of hydrogen. Basic chemistry and physics. Many elements have isotopes, that is why their atomic mass is NOT always an integer, but a decimal value, to take into account the fractional proportion of higher mass isotopes of the same element. The atomic number of hydrogen is 1 (one proton, no neutron) but the atomic mass is about 1.008, due to fraction 'pollution' by deuterium and tritium.

Now, if you were saying that deuterium and tritium should not exist, that they are perpetrations, atrocities ... now that would make me listen. Why don't you check that out, see what you get for an answer on that question, I will check it too, so we can compare notes. Hey it would be like a bulletin board, people talking to each other about issues, ideas .... rather that the posting billboard that the Forum has become!

How sick is that?

T

First of all, let me clarify something: The things I posted about and quoted in this thread are by no means a specific endorsement. I posted about them here because I like to share. I found these to be fascinating subjects and I was hoping to get a discussion started.

Was there really such a thing as a "Xian" (Daoist immortal)? If so, could they really perform superhuman feats such as being long-lived, immune to hot and cold, and levitation? My impression that there is likely some truth here (especially since there are stories of similar feats by other cultures), but I haven't yet checked the veracity of this.

Same thing with the strict diet that excludes meat, grain, nuts, leeks, and so forth. I honestly don't know for certain. (But the story seemed very intruiging!)

I don't understand how the subject of this thread shifted to DDT. But, DDT was not what I was talking about. My second post in this thread was about the toxicity of GARLIC and gave as an example how it is well known that garlic is excellent as an insect repellent and can be used as an insecticide in place of commercial chemical insecticides (such as DDT). Anotherwords, they were saying that if garlic can be used as an insecticide then it must be toxic. That's what Dr. Beck was saying, in addition to his own research into brainwave measurements and his alarming finding that eating garlic greatly diminishes brainwave activity. Personally, I can't be certain. However, I now avoid garlic whenever possible. Onions, on the other hand, I still eat. In fact, our family consumes them in rather large quantities.

I know that. This sounds familiar... Quantum Mechanics, isn't it? That is, some science theory about how the subject/object being observed can't help but be altered by the act of being observed. I'm certain this was also mentioned in Talbot’s book "The Holographic Universe."

I would imagine that a lot of members here are vegetarians or vegans, or at least leaning in that direction. But how would I know what members eat or don't eat unless they tell me? I do know one high rank member here who eats almost vegetarian, but still eats some small amount meat - particularly during the Winter when higher protein is deemed necessary.

Trisolde, can you more specifically define for me what you mean by "a functional vegetarian"? It's not only that I'm curious, but it could help others to discuss this. And you're the one asking for us to share.

I know Lorae advocates occational fasting. But while I have tried a bit of moderate fasting on occation, I haven't reall done a full fast. I've also done the Hulda Clark gall bladder cleanse, once and I'm not anxious to try it again. (And, further, my results were hampered because I failed to do the prerequiset Liver Cleanse beforehand. Or was it a Kidney Cleanse?) Somethings I would like to try include colen cleansing and chelation therapy. However, such cleansing kits are quite expensive and my current budget won't allow it.

Herbs? I do take some vitamins and natural supplements. These include a Daily Vite, Calcium, Magnesium, Olive Leaf, large doses of Vit. C (with bioflavinoids), Vit. E, and Omega 3 faty acids. All from natural sources, of course (as best can be determined).

But it's difficult for me to advocate anything, particularly since I currently find it so difficult to practice what I would like to preach. Currently, my family & I do what we can. We try to use as little processed food products as possible, but this is very difficult (and expensive) to do in the Winter time when fresh produce is so scarce.

Particularly in the last year, we've been very careful of the list of ingredients. Among others, anything with any amount of Canola Oil, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated or Particially-Hydrogenated Oils, Monosodium Glutamate/Disodium Guanylate, Artificial Sweeteners (Splenda, Aspertame, Saccarine, etc.), and Nitrates/Nitrites are immediately banned. Those are just the worst threats to health and that's by no means a complete list!

Usually we only get stuff with a short list of immediately recognizable ingredients and, when possible, buy it from a health food store. For instance, we only eat health-food bread now. Multi-grain sprouted stuff, which is suprisingly tastey. But, in practice, it's very difficult to get everything as wholesome as we'd like.

Further, we've been extremely careful in how we prepare our fruits and veggies before eating or cooking them. First, we lightly spray them with both Vinegar and Hydrogen Peroxide. This combination kills all disease-causing microbes. (You'd be surprised how often produce is grown with raw human sewage these days, particularly in 3rd world countries such as Mexico and China! And it's incredibly easy to contract things like parasites and Gonorrhea this way.) Then we wash (usally scrub with a brush) the produce in a non-toxic, completely biodegradable surfactant/soap in order to remove all traces of pestacides and oils. Very often some grocery produce, particuarly tomatoes, are liberally coated in vegetable oil to give it a nice shiny appearance. They use whatever's cheapest and I'm afraid it's often CANOLA OIL (which is always genetically modified)!

Also, our family does still eat meat and eggs. (But meat in smaller portions.) And we do try to stick with "safer" choices. Specifically, we try to make sure the animals were strictly fed a diet free of animal byproducts and are free of hormones and antibiotics.

It can extra difficult for just one person in a family to give up meat because the meals need to be prepared together. And I have been told often that, to stay healthy, vegetarianism requires getting your protein in some other way - usually through the consumption of beans and other legumes. But then, since we already know that all legumes are the result of ancient genetic experiments in combining "OAT'S 'N ROACHES", that doesn't leave much in the way of protein options. I suppose peanuts... no, wait, that's legumes again!

Finally, there is the whole problem in avoiding anything that's genetically modified. The problem is, unlike Europe, here in the States there is still no requirement to list food or food ingredients as being genetically modified. I'm unfamiliar with your situation down in the land of OZ. But, AMERICANS REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE EATING! The only solutions I can think of are to either grow your own stuff or shop at the farmer's market or health food store. Problem is 1) growing your own is difficult during Winter months 2) the farmer's market is only open late in the Summer to early Autumn, and 3) the only health food store in our area that carries fresh produce is about a 50 mile trip - each way - and the stuff is exhorbitantly expensive to boot! But then, I suppose if I moved to someplace like California or Florida I could grow stuff year 'round. (But then living in either place has it's own serious drawbacks!)

EDIT: Now that I think about it, there is another option. A person could always use dowsing or some other intuition to determine beforehand whether a product is genetically modified, toxic and/or would either add or detract from your health. I actually know someone who uses a form of Kinesthology (muscle-testing) to do this, which involves leaning forwards or backwards. However, aside from being very time consuming, dowsing everything you buy in a grocery store would probably draw some stares or unwanted attention.

True enough. But I think you might be forgetting two things:

1) Not all hydrogen in the world is contained in bodies of water or even in the form of H2O. Hydrogen is also found in abundance in most organic compounds (including petroleum and organics in the soil) and in all living things. A lot can be found in the polar ice caps and locked in the ground in some form or other. Problem is, the proportion of hydrogen to deterium and tritium is not the same in the world's oceans and lakes as it is locked up in glaciers and other sources. In the oceans it's significantly higher. And, to me, that makes this stuff sound suspicious... It makes me think more of my theory that the ancient atomic wars created much of the deterium/tritium "pollution" we have today.

2) You are quoting scientific data here. However, neither one of us truely trusts everything that Conventional Scientists preach. (And ignoring all the garbage espoused by the American Medical Association goes without saying.)

Very interesting idea! I like it. I'll try to dowse this as soon as I get a good sleep and some spare time. However, I wonder if this type of invitation would work better if we gave this it's own area of the forum? Perhaps doing so would invite more members to try this?

In any case, while I'm willing to try this, I can't promise that I would do such on a regular basis! We have to want to "compare notes."

What's wrong with sharing interesting (and pertinent) web links? What's wrong with threads started only to share, without much discussion? As you pointed out, there is not much of any posting going on these days and I don't see the point of discouraging certain types of posts.
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Will resond to your comments shortly. Thank you for your input, you have made some valuable contributions here and I do want to respond, but .... I am suffering from something you yourself make mention of.

It's currently too late, I have posted for an hour and a half and my bed beckons!! See you later ...........................