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Perrinoia - January 27, 2010 07:52 PM (GMT)
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Ziegler127 - January 27, 2010 09:10 PM (GMT)
might as well save up another 200 and buy the big one

Omega - January 27, 2010 10:06 PM (GMT)
Why capacitive touch screens? Resistive ones work fine, and you don't have to remove your gloves to use them.

Iphone users in cold climates have cold hands =P

Ziegler127 - January 27, 2010 10:08 PM (GMT)
unless you live in a desert.
but then again, as I think about it, You wouldnt have very good signal.... *sigh*

Perrinoia - January 27, 2010 11:15 PM (GMT)
I'm not gonna be using the damn thing on a ski slope.

Ziegler127 - January 28, 2010 12:34 AM (GMT)
You say that now, But what if a free ski trip comes with the iPad?

Omega - January 28, 2010 02:23 AM (GMT)
I can imagine it being used on a bus, a train, or in a car on a cold day. it's a bit of a stretch, but it still feeds into the bigger question, and perhaps this is for Bart, but why are capacitive touchscreens used over resistive?

Perrinoia - January 28, 2010 03:11 PM (GMT)
Resistive touch screens require a certain amount of preasure to detect a touch, and they don't like fingers too much due to the size/bluntness of a finger, thus you pretty much have to use a stylus on it unless the user interface is designed with massive buttons, which is usually not the case.

Capacitive touch screens detect the electrical impulses in a finger, thus do not require you to actually touch the screen, just get close enough to zap it with static electricity. It's less accurate because you are relying on the path electricity will travel through your finger and into the screen, thus the devices using this technology are required to have finger friendly on-screen buttons, and is therefor usually easier to use by most users.

The most accurate, most multi-touchable screen technology is infrared... It can detect hundreds of touches, and detects the shape of the objects touching as well as their locations, so you can use a paint brush on the screen when painting in a multi-touch compatible drawing program, and it'll detect each brissel and draw a realistic brushed paint in accordance with the brush you brushed across the screen. Also, due to the fact that it is mounted on the edge of the display instead of layered on top of the display, it doesn't decrease the picture quality like resistive and capacitive touch screens do.

Infrared is completely ineffective in sunlight, however, due to the fact that sunlight contains infrared rays. So it is not good for mobile devices, however it's great for desktop computer monitors.

You claim that capacitive touch screens become less receptive over time, and your not the first person I've heard say that, but I haven't had that experience myself, on my mother's or my brother's iPod Touches.

I do have signigicant experience with resistive touch screens though, and they all end up scratched due to the amount of preasure you have to put on them, and the fact that you have to use a stylus due to the UI. If you had a resistive touch screen with iphone icon sized buttons, it would be better than other resistive touch phones, but still not better than capacitive because it requires you to press so hard.

Also, Apple was just granted a patent for software that takes advantage of the fact that capacitive touch screens can detect fingers hovering over the screen as well as fingers actually touching the screen, displaying menus that weren't there before... For instance, you know when your watching a movie on your computer in full screen, and the media controls disappear until you shake the mouse? Well with a touch screen, if you hovered your finger over where the media controls should be, they would appear, so that you could touch them... The patent paper work implies that they'll hide the minimize/window/fullscreen/exit buttons in the corner of an application until you hover your finger over that corner...

Omega - January 28, 2010 03:21 PM (GMT)
Where did you lift that tome from? I didn't mention anything about responsiveness changing over time?

Also: everything warm gives off infrared. You, me, us in the shower, so yes you've a problem there.

I've not had a problem with resistive, and my phone does in fact respond to near-touches as the change in heat (that pesky IR again) changes the resistance of the screen, so depending on how you set your films up inside the display you can rock and roll.

I do want a multitouch display though. There's a laptop over at that costs a grand, and has a 15" screen, but it's still core 2 duo, so that's out.

Bart - January 28, 2010 03:32 PM (GMT)
You can actually use capacitive touch screens with gloves. We have a little trick for that. Get some conductive thread and sew it into the finger tips of your gloves. (You need to use enough though) Then it'll also work :)

Perrinoia - January 28, 2010 06:44 PM (GMT)
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MMM... Toasty.

Bongwater - January 28, 2010 10:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Omega @ Jan 27 2010, 10:06 PM)

Iphone users in cold climates have cold hands =P

i use my tongue and nose.... serious

Omega - January 29, 2010 04:24 AM (GMT)
I'll believe it. I suppose cock would work too, but also suffer the cold.

Perrinoia - January 29, 2010 04:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Omega @ Jan 28 2010, 11:21 AM)
Also: everything warm gives off infrared. You, me, us in the shower, so yes you've a problem there.

I don't believe it relies on, or is even sensitive enough to detect the infrared given off by your warm blooded appendages. It has infrared emitters and sensors embeded in the border of the screen, and detects the interuption of infrared light just like the electronic chimes in a lot of stores that alert employees when customers come and go, or the sensor that prevents my garage door from closing on me, my car, my mom's dog, a leaf, or a small snow drift.

Jerry Garcia - February 7, 2010 04:19 AM (GMT)
Perrin, you should have taken the deal. I can't believe he was dumb enough to use his real name and location, not to mention his schedule. You'd think if he was goin to be such a dick, he would be a little smarter.

For the record, the last post was a joke, I would never do anything harmful, to anyone, for any reason, and the denial of him from this clan was my only goal.

On another note, I was looking to purchase a home in IL. I like the one at 103 S Fourth St. Wapella, IL 61777-9626. Does anyone else like this house?

Jerry Garcia - February 7, 2010 04:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Jan 28 2010, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE (Omega @ Jan 27 2010, 10:06 PM)

Iphone users in cold climates have cold hands =P

i use my tongue and nose.... serious

Oh, and can you post some pictures of this method in action? :lol:

Perrinoia - February 7, 2010 10:06 PM (GMT)

Spitmyfire - February 9, 2010 03:49 AM (GMT)
I believe the 16GB 499$ one is just the basic one. If you were to buy a 16GB 3G Ipad you would have to pay 699$.

Perrinoia - February 9, 2010 06:06 AM (GMT)
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Spitmyfire - February 9, 2010 10:04 PM (GMT)
I didn't have to details in front of me, nor did I feel like looking them up at the time. I knew it was in the six hundreds, and I merely threw a number that sounded good before the hundreds column. :P

Demoncube - February 28, 2010 06:53 PM (GMT)
I think the iPad is ridiculous. I have an iTouch and i love it but it just seems they've gone too far. Its hard drive and memory space is terrible. The average laptop hard drive is 160 gigs. and i think it has no practical uses, typing would be annoying and most of all its just dumb looking.

Perrinoia - February 28, 2010 10:14 PM (GMT)
I disagree, I think it would be a great, especially for games, since it's got a big ole touch screen and an accelerometer...

But I would be more impressed if it had a higher resolution.

I'm not too concerned about the internal memory, or even it's processing power, because I would just use it to remote desktop something else.

Demoncube - March 2, 2010 09:08 PM (GMT)
Are there apps on it?

Perrinoia - March 3, 2010 01:21 AM (GMT)
Yeah, it runs the iphone OS so you can run any app that works on the iphone or ipod touch, plus it's got a bigger screen and a faster processor, so apps designed specifically for it can be much better than running the iphone apps on it.

Demoncube - March 3, 2010 10:14 PM (GMT)
still it does seem a little impractical. yet i don't know what apple is going for. is it used for games,for apps,for work. its almost as random as the mac book wheel.

Perrinoia - March 4, 2010 03:00 AM (GMT)
Are you being sarcastic or are you really that moronic?

Demoncube - March 5, 2010 11:58 PM (GMT)
no i know its fake.

SkyEye - March 6, 2010 12:12 AM (GMT)
It's fake?!

Demoncube - March 6, 2010 02:03 AM (GMT)
haha you haven't changed douche bag.

Perrinoia - March 6, 2010 06:38 AM (GMT)
It's not fake, they actually modded an apple to have a giant ipod wheel to make that video. Then they sold it on ebay.

(To everybody else: I'm making this up, go along with it and see how long we can fool him!)

Demoncube - March 6, 2010 01:06 PM (GMT)
Wow i didn't know that???? ;)

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