White mages

i believe that wm's are over powered on the defencive side with fog barrier and heavy armor which then makes them take absolutly no damage from melees at all
so my suggestion is knock back the ability they can use armor a few teirs and nerf the fog and barrier spells

Barrier is suppose to reduce damage a lot, but based on it's level it can only take a certain amount of damage before it wears off So if you hit a WM with barrier on enough it'll break exposing it's soft, fleshy innards.

This is same basic argument that Black had against fighters. Beef up + temper + charge and whatever sword was used at the time. I cant really believe you posted this. I havnt tested this combo with people attacking....

but I do have to say this is a way less legit argument then Black's (even that was doomed from the beggining). Considering not every ww has barrier or wears heavy equipment. The only thing that is common is fog.

WW is a support class. They are suppose to be able to stay alive to support who are in the front lines. And face it when fighting there is no way to stay away from being hit. They have crappy offense which is why they have defensive spells.

You also have to rememeber this combo in no way affects magic defense. And yes barrier wears off once a certain amount of damage is taken....at level 40 dont remeber what barrier was at above 50, but tyr could take it off with a couple swings.

This post has been edited by turbotc on May 29 2009, 11:39 AM

Geez, people just make it sound as though everything is broken and instant win when in all reality thats not true at all. It took 20 armor prof to even wear leather for me... and at 32 armor prof best i can wear is still chain. What would be the point in entirely taking away defensive capabilities on class that is supposed to focus on two things, stay alive, and keep the party alive.

+enchant resist etc

As was already stated, white mages are designed to take a ton of damage. However, if you know what you're doing, they can't exactly kill you.

You can just, like, you know, wear light elemental armor, or get someone with fear/mute, or someone with dispel. You really shouldn't fight the best defensive class in the game one on one unless you can massively destroy their healing abilities.

Likewise, for the most part, white mages aren't that great solo, but if they're supporting a party, they can be way more deadly than if alone.

tl;dr: Stop whining when you can't figure out how to fight someone yourself.

In short, they don't need a defensive debuff. White Mages are pretty much the most survivable class in the game next to Red Mages and Fighters.

They're also the weakest offensively. Use this against them.

Barrier is fine how it is. It's easily breakable, and to get it to a point where it matters, you have to prof it highly.

The heavy armor white mages wear? Hold on ONE MINUTE. Firstly, note it takes insane experience for a white mage to wear even BARELY decent heavy armor. Second, note you have to have insane armor level to wear heavy armor at all. It's just not worth it to me as is, even. Especially since wearing heavy armor means you can't use mage armor appropriate to your armor level (which will easily DOUBLE your spell strength, and give much-needed magic defense).

Fog...fog is amazing, but keep in mind I'm speaking from max prof fog. And as someone said earlier in the thread, NONE of this has any effect on magic defense.

What the original poster fails to realize is that everything he is saying that is imbalanced is something that is at max proficiency, or otherwise much higher than it should be.

Just thought, but, healer roles are generally fragile. Do you know why? It's because as long as they're alive, the party they support is very difficult to defeat. They're fragile so that they can be targeted and killed first.

This is a good point and I'd like to see them weaker too but let's face it, if we try to debuff them it will go terrible wrong and they will suck. It's hard enough to find a good WM as is.

So yeah, hate the fact they are harder to kill than a Knight but don't know about a nerf...

I remain neutral for now...