Ninjas need some sort of shitty attack skill. I don't know. Non-ammo consuming throwing knives that do less damage than actual throwing weapons. I don't care if it blows and it is useless for anything besides monster pulling, but ninjas need an attack skill. Besides back stab. Back stab doesn't count because you don't get it until you dump millions of exp into your profs, and then it's less useful than it could be until you dump millions of exp into profing it

Seriously give them an attack skill.

It's called 'weapon prof'.

Maybe you've heard of it.

It's called "ninjas do not have an attack skill". Do other classes have attack skills? Yes they do. Would it be nice if ninjas had one? Yes it would. Do I play a ninja? No I don't.

They need a strength spell. Yay rage!

Swift Strike sucks.

ya but ninjas have other good quailtys like there stealth and there speed

Ninjas are good at running away, yes. Does running away help you kill people? Not all that much.

Is backstab not an attack skill?

Does backstab require 10 million EXP before getting? Yes. Do offensive skills of other classes require 10 million EXP before getting? No.

That's because a Ninja's basic offensive ability to attack very quickly results in a high damage output.

Translation: They don't need "attack" skills to offput low DPS. They have high enough normal attack power to warrant no need of one, considering the role they're meant to fill.

The physical counterpart of a Red Wizard, Ninja are really more or less there to support the party, and should require pumping EXP to actually get the more specialized damage types.

Also Mug and Backstab are singlehandedly the most awesome offensive skills in the game.

I never said they need more attack power. ever. They do need something though.

They're built for PvP, but aren't the flat out best at it.

They are the worst class at PvE.

They're mediocre, and bad. They need something.

Backstab is cool, but if they survive and drop a hi-potion, it is failure, because you can't backstab while in combat. If a monster happens to spawn while you've moving, you fail at backstab becaues you are automatically sent to battle mode.

And mug strikes with one weapon for no bonus damage. How is that useful for the killing of things?

Mug someone's gold and just walk away as they try running toward you with no speed bonus?

How does that accomplish the task of killing them? Or killing monsters for that matter (as I mentioned, ninjas fail at PvE).


Edit: For that matter, if you intend to run away anyways, how is it any better than filch?

Because, Mug has an independent recoil that allows you to attack faster than usual for an MP cost and damage reduction, much like the other Ninja skill that's intended to be used.(Swift Strike)

Maybe you're just using the wrong weapons, I have yet to see a Ninja that sucks at PvE this version.

I'm playing Ninja and I think they're pretty damn awesome at PvE. Get some cheetah weapons, and you might change your mind.

Why bother using a ninja for PvE over a master?

I do not play a ninja.
I do not play a ninja.
I do not play a ninja.

Are you aware that I do not play a ninja?

Ninjas tend to have less armor costs in the long run due to dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge mug mug mug mug.

Ninja have a ton of useful skills. Just not battle skills. If people want to beat the snot out of stuff, play a Master or a Knight. Ninja are about fast attacking, stealth, and not being hit as much as other classes. It may take a lot more work than other classes to get good, but it is worth playing.

They do have useful skills. I am not saying they don't.

They do not have skills that are good for killing (besides backstab, which is a rediculously high prof requirement to get, and is only useful for one strike).

They also do not add anything to the party that another class can't do better. They are good at stealing and running away, and they are good at PvP, and it isn't as though they are bad at PvE, but they are the worst at it.

Ninjas do not need BETTER, they need OTHER.

If you don't play a ninja then shut the hell up about this. I swear to god half of your posts and threads are regarading the same dumb "ninjas are weak fix please" type shit.

Ninjas are my second least favorite type of perso to pvp for a number of reasons.

1. they attack super fast

2. Hard to see them coming

3. They faster than me and can run and bear bow

4. With their super high dodge rate killing thems not easy.

If you honestly can't do good at this game with a ninja then you fail. "But Zekion I don't even play a ninja, so that won't work on me nyaa nyaa nyaa" Well you fool that counters your entire argument since you obviously aren't playing one to see how badass they are.


Edit: Oh yeah and why do they need more attack skills? That hardly makes sense, you say that every class has an attack skill? What exactly is a bw's attack skill? "they use magick and don't need it" Exactly, Ninjas have super good dex and agility so that they don't need uber attack skills.

Also regarding them sucking at pve, Get locust or leech weapons (which are not that hard to find) and go to fucking town. The only thing you might have to do is eat a piece of watermelon from time to time.

In conclusion I hate you, I hate your shitty posts and Suggestions and I wish you would leave.

with mug you with both weapons, as well as attack faster than normal.

I have played a ninja before. I do not play a ninja at this time.

Look at you, not making any points at all. You make me grin.

Ninjas have all of those things. Huzzah. They do. It is true. Ninjas are not bad. It's true!

I'm not saying to make ninjas better. I'm just saying to give them an attack skill. For fun and profit! Honestly, where did I say ninjas are bad over all? They're the worst at PvE, but not bad at it. Just give them a fun attack skill. For fun! Make it ninja themed. Make it useful for PvE. Don't make them better, just give them a skill for hurting things that you can get before level 30! =D

That is one of the worst things I've ever read. Bw's are the worst at pve, by far.
You can't hardly solo as a Bw in FFO, every other class you can, but no ninjas are the worst.

Meh I'm done with this, bye

Gaku says!: I want you to party to kill things.

Black mages are better in parties than ninjas are. Huzzah!

The only thing I really see most black mages doing in parties is this.

Tempering the NINJAs and other melees, and dying horribly when a monster so much as looks at them.

Meanwhile, I've had Quinto back me up in fighting huge swarms in Desert, and the dodgy bastard handled half the swarm without barely getting scratched. Doesn't seem like ninjas are sucky to have in party to me. If they know how to draw aggro and to maximize their dodging, they're one hell of a teammate.

There has to be one class that is worst at PvE. I honestly don't think they are the worst, but that's my opinion. It's pretty much all opinion here. Your opinion obviously isn't fact, then considering you're probably the only person that believes this crap and there are plenty of ninja that would say "Attack skill? psh, no point." You're missing the point. The point is, why have attack skills for ninja? There is no reason. We have Mug and Backstab, which both are great skills. Like I said, if those aren't good enough, people can play as Knights or Masters and have a couple more attack skills.

Gaku said hold off on suggestions until he gets back, anyways. Don't you know how to fucking read?

Sheesh, why are you guys all such jerks?

I don't know about you, but I play games for FUN.

Ninja are pretty fun to play as. Why not give one a spin, friend?

You're trying to get Ninja an attack skill which is totally unnecessary, and saying they're worst at PvE. I haven't heard anything from any ninjas that they're complaining about not having an attack skill. And about the PvE thing, it's all about how good you are at your class and what gear you got.

Knights are basically useless without good equipment, but when they get the good stuff, they can become just as unstoppable as an explosive Black Wizard. But then they suck if the person doesn't know how to use them still. I've seen it time and time again, but eh, it happens.

I very rarely ever die on my Ninja. I've only died like 4 times, and those were mostly all back before I class changed. Yet, I died all the time on my BW. want to know why? Ninja are durable, semi-strong, and able to keep up in a massive swarm. Like Kumog said, if a monster so much as breathes on a BW, they fall.

My gear is mediocre at best right now, and I'm dodging quite well. And I attack faster than a hurricane with cheetah weapons. With my knives I tend to outdamage knights without even trying. Masters are another story though, since they can dual wield easy too and can use two cheetah weapons and attack just as fast. The last thing I need is to get an attack skill that'll probably more annoying than useful. Besides, I'm happy with how Ninja are now.

Conclusion: Ninja are definitely not the worst at PvE. Black Wizards may do the most damage in PvE but in my opinion are a lot of times the worst. They're certainly the first to die, at least.

what about mortal wound? wouldnt that be considered an attack skill?

I never had a problem with my thief, and those are BEFORE ninjas. Anyway, I forgot what I was about to type.

Carry on.

Thats a weapon skill.

Korin, +1.

Now if only i knew how to draw aggro.

you can't count MW and SS. Everyone can get them.

People stopped being angry and stupid. Yayyyy.

Tell me, what would it hurt to give ninjas a weak throw knife non-ammo skill?

Justify your opposition.

"For fun and profit"

Mug? Hello?

You can mug someone (attack skill!) and steal all of their gold, then just leave, as you are missed constantly and end up messing with any melee's attacks unless they have swiftness.

Also just throw.. thrown weapons. Or equip a fucking shotgun* (blunderbuss, historically).


*Hi Ninja can vanish and just shoot, thx

I didn't mean that literally.

Please consider playing a Ninja this version before making a call on what they do/do not need.

If only you knew...

About Archers plan...

Involving high level Mortal Wound...

Bwahahaha!

Raidon, this suggstion really is dumb.

My ninja is SO much fun to play and does so much better in PVP/PVE than most other classes at this point in the game.

-I do more damage than knights and some masters in PVE.

-I have hit a knight in PVP who was close to my level for 240 damage before, and was hit by that knight for 70 damage in return.

-I dodge. A lot. I've solo'd the fourth floor of the ruins before at level 27. It wasn't quite as profitable as compared to a party because my armor got raped and I could've got as much exp soloing plains or desert, but the fact remains that I was able to do it.

-I have speed boots. You don't realize how fast a ninja with speed boots are until there is no lag.

-The only ones that I've seen out-damage me in PVP/PVE in terms of melee(hard to compare melee with magic usually) are masters that are capped and have good profs.

In short, my ninja is awesome. Put some effort into one and you might see that? They don't need a new "damage" skill or "offensive" skill as you call it.

Not everyone has access to high tier weapons/armor...

Didn't see him mention high tier weapons and armor. Other than speed boots..