Playing privilages have been revoked indefinitely.

Keysharing on multiple occasions. Evidence has been collected, and the judgement has been agreed upon by the admins.

1. I dont have his ke
2. Being 2 blocks away from my house takeing the complain from grown man about my dog takeing a crap in his yard and not cleaning it up.
3. What evidence, i was not on his key.

This is bullshit i lost his key 2 months ago when my computer crashed. I did not do it, wasn't me.

Unban me >_<.

Give a guy an screenshot your accussed for every shit in the world laughing my ass off

We have screenshots where Vigo admitted to you having his key info and getting on his character. Given your past record, I don't see any reason we'd ever believe a word you say, either.

Yo i was not on his key.

I steped out for 15 minutes, with my mom to talk with this man.
Log back online. "Hey i have a screenshot, your banned".

Hey i have a screenshot, your banned.

Lets face it, the only one who is good at covering up ban's and getting off with it is dean.

I wasn't on anyone god damn key.

You guys really don't have any solid evidence against Z here.

NONE.
It was not me, i dont have his key or password!

There's 0 evidence that it was, me people look to the past oh so he did this and that, ok.

I didn't get on his character.

I want gaku to sum up for this crap, Key shareing is not even a big of deal, Plus i didn't do the shit.

I mean, Who ever gets on your account, with someone permission should be his/her own responsibility and if he/she dies what so ever. Who's fualt.

I was not on vigo's key point blank, I want an appeal.

yes, a appeal would be nice, keysharing as a rule? i dont see why its such a big deal, like zkilla said if someone gets on your account its your responsibility, so why should it be made into a stupid rule? i never changed my pass after the rule was implanted, because i trusted no one ot get on my account, many people had my key, z was just the ones that was playing at this time. after this happend i finally changed my pass but what does that matter anymore anywho, now does it? i doubt we will even be given an appeal or even be reasoned to a less of a ban.

One of the reasons I see it being a rule is because otherwise, many people would be able to use it in attempts to avoid being punished.

Bob gets caught breaking rules out the ass, AFK-training, spamming Nsay, any of that stuff. Person gets messaged about it after being temp-banned while a decision isn't made. "I wasn't even on, it was Tom with my key. Also, Tom lives close by to me!"

If it wasn't a rule, folks would be passing the buck endlessly in a retarded manner like this in order to avoid punishment, and it would give the admin team a massive headache trying to figure out who gets punished. This rule simplifies things big time for the admins, and is a way to try and tell the playerbase "Don't be a retard and share your key/password with anyone. If they get in trouble, you will also be in trouble."

See, that's the part where the whole "whoever's character it was gets punished" thing comes in.

but yet, this case has nothing to do with either of us already being in trouble, my personal opinon even with being warned once, shouldnt lead to perma ban. i'd say a punishment of like 2 weeks if anything.

But you see, Exo, that leads to the path of someone wanting to break rules on the game, grabbing his friend's account, and avoiding any punishment, just the friend's character.

This makes it so that all parties involved in the keysharing are punished because it's listed in the rules "Hey, don't do this." So if Tom has Bob's key and does crap on Bob's chars that are against the rules, Tom can't and won't get off scot free.

If Bob gave Tom his password and Tom got Bob in trouble while on his character then it's Bob's fault for giving his password out in the first place.

Ah yes, But im not to blame in no part for it. SO then what >=/

Perma ban for this is also abit crazy i agree

I remember someone going on to Vigo's key and killing some people after throwing a fit over something or other. That was a long time ago though. If you have something to prove that you never did it, then show the proof or just leave. I for one, as well as many FFOers, would be glad to see the back of you.


EDIT:

Nevermind, you just confessed to key-sharing in the past. Let us see the back of you.

If you log on another person's key, whether it be by keysharing or hacking the key, and use the characters in a manner to break rules, expect to be punished. Keysharing by default is against the rules (see rule 13).

Due to your past, Zkiller, I honestly can agree with the permaban. You've been banned repeatedly in the past, and a new hosting does not clear your past crimes away like that.

I could see Vigo having a bit more leniency as he does not have such a lengthy record against him to my knowlege.

It wasn't me man :(

I'm going to bed this is stress, to young for this.

Just throwing this out there but perhaps there's logs of keys and IPs logging in. i.e. Key name: whatever key, IP (insert random digits). I know some games have this implanted, I dunno if FFO does but thought I'd throw it there.

I have Vigo's key too. Back in 3.5 I did a raid for him, password still works from back then..

Just to put things into perspective I also have the keys of 3 other players that actively play right now (who I won't name cause you guys might have screenshots and ban them).

Don't want to get banned? Don't break the rules. If you keep your nose clean, you will never get banned, if you keep trying to test the limits.

Well...

Eventually you are going to get burned.

There is also a way to check to see common keys on an IP, I'm assuming this was used?

What about admin logs..... *cough*

I've had vigo's key info for a while, several people have MY key info, and I have a few other people's key info. I never go on them because admins can check IPs, and it's against the rules. HOWEVER, I don't think keysharing SHOULD be against the rules, as there are ways to check keys and the IP using them, and cross referencing to figure out exactly who's on what key. AS SUCH, I don't think key sharing should be against the rules, SINCE THERE ARE WAYS TO CHECK THE IP ADDRESSES OF KEY USERS you should be able to track down whoever did something stupid on someone's character and maybe even the actual keyholder, inj the event something bannable happens. People should be responsible for thier keys and moderating them. In my opinion, keysharing should NOT be moderated by admins in a game just so it can make their job easier.

No he didn't. You can't even be serious with that.

Since when does "i lost his key 2 months ago" translate to "i stopped using his characters 2 months ago"?

Is this topic turning into a shitstorm? It sure does look like it, and the same ruling from Marcus's topic will apply here. Get back to being civil or everyone involved is going to be at risk for trouble.

so, are we able to have an appeal or not?

I thought appeals were done away with.

No, they just stopped doing them for stupid 1 day ban issues.

Yeah the appeal issue was just for 1 day to a few weeks ban... This however would and possibly get an appeal, since this is a more serious ban.

You may want an appeal, but will an admin want to do your appeal?

in my opinion, i do not think it fair to permanently ban vigo and zkiller. they may have shared keys at one point or another, though this is apparently debatable, but it isn't like they wrecked the game or seriously screwed another character over. right? if i'm wrong, lemme know.

also, what is this evidence that keeps being spoken of? since this topic is about vigo's and zkiller's ban, can they be posted on this topic? just to let everyone else se for themselves.

another thing. Vigo stated that a few people have his key and password. could it have been that someone else entirely logged onto vigo's account and framed them? i know zkiller has been an ass to people in the past (so has vigo as i hear) and someone may have gone onto vigos account and framed them so they would be out of the way.
if this is true, your screenshots are not reliable and your accusation is not accurate. so your going to need more than a few screenshots to prove.

Adrindo makes a good point, one really doesn't EXACTLY know via those pictures, which also leads to the admin logs, perhaps those should be checked more often, and the players under suspicion could have their IP written down and kept in a location in which they can be checked when something like this happens with the admin logs to help confirm whether or not it was really them.

Of course that's just a suggestion, it'd help in something like this, but it's the admin's choice on whether or not to start that system up...

this is the most improbable answer. im sure someone would know (zkiller or vigo) that a 3rd party was on vigo's key and "telling people" he shares keys. as a matter of fact, it never came up before this. Truth is, Vigo rarely lies, and he opened his mouth to the wrong person? zkiller on the other hand, isnt smrt enough to lie his way out of this obviously. and as you can see by zkillers posts, its very true they were sharing.
personally, i dont like the key sharing idea.
1- you raise you're own character
2- you use you're own character
3- or you dont play the game

why does it have to be a mystery if im talking to say, Vigo (whos a friend) and its zkiller playing his guy with intentions of trying to fry me with VIGO'S powerful spells (and not zkillers himself that he cant get as powerful as vigos so he uses vigos. get what im saying?)

Well if we cant get an appeal goes to show you the admins arnt being reasonable at all. :(

They're being quite reasonable in letting the thread remain open for people to voice their opinions on the matter, even though as of now the ruling is final, and none of the admins wish to review an appeal at this time.

Ask after tensions have cooled down instead of rapidly hitting F5 to argue about your ban and an appeal will be much more likely than when you try forcing one right after you were banned.

Do as Dean did, head outside and go fishing or something, spend time outside and think things over. Going into a frenzy or depression over pixels on a screen is not worth it in the long run.

I just want to say that even though it may just be "pixels on a screen", we're still using our time on these "pixels", so don't just go "it's just a game" or "it's only pixels on a screen" because we take time out of our lives to play it and everyone overreacts in this game in one way or another sometimes.

With that being said, why should Z have to wait to get an appeal? If he believes he did nothing wrong he is at no fault to ask for an appeal right away.

I could understand not wanting to give him an appeal if you had concrete evidence against Z, but you don't.

An appeal immediately given completely disregards the point of punishment. If someone is given a ban, fully agreed upon by all admins, there should be a minimum waiting period for an appeal. After all, if all it takes to get an appeal is to whine, bitch, and moan on the forums for a day or two to get an appeal for a permaban, it's a problem.

If he tries in a week or two, he's going to get a MUCH better chance of the admins being willing to work with an appeal, but begging for one immediately is spitting in the admins' faces.

I'd "spit in the admins faces", too, if I got blamed for something I didn't do.


And I have.

All of my admin bans in the last year have been overturned after an appeal which was asked for immediately.