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Wreck-It Ralph, I'M GONNA WRECK IT!!!
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If you right click on them and hit view image you can see them.
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| QUOTE | | [3/23/2012 9:01:19 PM] Michael Ryan: Do I seem like somebody who will ultimately end up okay. Or somebody like a Ted or one of the Bogleechers who seem like it's hopelss. |
| QUOTE (scythemantis @ Oct 26 2012, 02:23 AM) | | You can't change people's minds with love and reasoning and respect either dude. I yell at people just for the satisfaction of them knowing I hate them for being different from me. I just wish I could actually hurt their feelings or ruin their lives somehow instead of mildly irritate them, that'd be sweet as shit. |
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Nameless Spawn

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Well, not to harp on this or anything, but I just found this IGN article that states this: | QUOTE | | Finally, the villain support group contains a character we originally thought was the Beholder from the Dungeons & Dragons series. A reader also suggested to us that the creature might instead be the Marlboro King from the Final Fantasy series. As it turns out, neither theory is correct. Disney confirmed that the tentacled, crown-wearing monster is just a generic creature not tied to any particular game. |
...so, make of that what you will.
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| QUOTE (Pyro-Gibberish @ Jul 19 2012, 02:12 AM) | | It's probably just a stylized Beholder. I doubt it actually appeared in a game like that, and keep in mind its still public domain |
For the record: No. No it's not. A lot of people seem to assume all classic D&D monsters are public domain for some reason. They aren't. True, most of the monsters from the original Monster Manual just came from mythology and folklore, but not all of them did. (Even some that did had significant alterations that then got passed on to other games -- e.g., the basilisk and cockatrice having petrifying powers instead of just killing people like the original mythological versions did.) The beholder is one that didn't come from mythological sources; it was original to D&D, and remains the intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast. In fact, when Wizards of the Coast released most of the monsters from the 3E Monster Manual under the Open Gaming License (which still didn't make them public domain by any means, but did open them up to third-party use under certain conditions), the beholder was one of a handful of monsters that weren't included, but were reserved as Wizards of the Coast "product identity", along with the mind flayer and the displacer beast (among others). It's true that some video games unassociated with TSR/Wizards of the Coast have used beholders (as well as mind flayers), but that just means that TSR and Wizards of the Coast haven't always been assiduous about enforcing their copyrights with regards to video games, especially Japanese video games. (Nevertheless, the possibility of litigation has caused some game makers who originally used beholders to change the names -- an MMORPG called Tibia originally had beholders, for instance, but changed their name to "Bonelords", and the Japanese version of the first Final Fantasy had beholders, but they were changed in the English translation to " Evil Eyes", and even their sprites were changed to decrease the resemblance to D&D beholders.) Of course, while beholders may remain the intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, WotC can't claim to own the general concept of "spherical floating monster with one big eye", so a lot of other games and settings have similar monsters. But they can't have actual beholders, identical to the D&D version and called by that name, without infringing on WotC's copyrights. Wizards of the Coast and its predecessor TSR may have let a few such infringements slip by, but that doesn't mean beholders are in the public domain. Okay, sorry, I've gone off on a long rant about something really tangential to the main topic of the thread; copyright misconceptions just kind of bother me for some reason, and the idea that all classic D&D monsters are in the public domain is one misconception that seems to come up a lot.
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| QUOTE (Jesus lizard @ Jul 19 2012, 06:17 PM) | | He's just kind of an ass,Murdercide - don't worry. |
Whoops. Looks like you misspelled laudable-cool-dude-who-gets-high-fives. But, seeing as I am such a fellow, I'll let it slide....this time.
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Funny thing is, I've heard once or twice that Gary Gygax credited a toy he found for the original Beholder's design, just like Rust Monsters, Owlbears, Bulettes, Shambling Mounds and several others, but if this is true, the toy has yet to be found or identified by anyone.
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| QUOTE (scythemantis @ Aug 5 2012, 07:50 PM) | | Funny thing is, I've heard once or twice that Gary Gygax credited a toy he found for the original Beholder's design, just like Rust Monsters, Owlbears, Bulettes, Shambling Mounds and several others, but if this is true, the toy has yet to be found or identified by anyone. |
This might be a little off-topic, but I must note that one of the guys who originally played with Gygax and Co (Who happens to post on RPGNet as Old Geezer) said that the Rust Monster's powers were actually invented on the spot. The exact quote was:
| QUOTE (Old Geezer) | Dunno. Like I said, Tom pulled a reddish-brown toy out of the bag and said "Hey, look! A Rust Monster! When it hits you your armor rusts away."
He pulled it out of his ass on the spot based on the color of the critter.
Or in other words, 'We made up some shit we thought would be fun.' |
Also, here's a quote from Gary Gygax on the Beholder's origins from this excellent article on D&D monster's origins. | QUOTE | Terry Kuntz came up with the beholder after he had been playing in my campaign for about two months. Where he got the idea I have no idea, but I latched onto it immediately, and with his kind permission made it an integral creature in the D&D roster of ugly customers to encounter.
Gary Gygax (1938–2008), August 17, 2003, EN World Q&A IV |
Also, some further searching revealed that Terry Kuntz had actually created the creature in a short story (Since lost) which he had wrote, where it apparently was drastically different from what it eventually evolved into.
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| QUOTE (Scythemantis) | | One of these days I'm going to use my admin powers to figure out your home address and I am going to place an ad on every single furry personal site for free fursuit sex 24/7 at your house. Don't call first or even knock! Just show up and fuck the first thing you see! His protests are part of the ROLEPLAY! |
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Nameless Spawn

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50 Things You Didn’t Know About 'Wreck-It Ralph'I also found this supposedly official character bio of King Candy on a Disney wikia: | QUOTE | | "All hail King Candy-ruler of the race track, captain of confectionary, sovereign of sugar. Not surprisingly, the most powerful figure in the Sugar Rush game is also the best racer on the track. He may look noble enough, but he doesn't exactly welcome Ralph with open arms. The king is ably assisted by his strong-armed security team, and his diminutive henchman Sour Bill, a tiny little ball of bad." |
This would seem to add some credibility to my theory of him being a villain, that is if it is actually official. EDIT: Oop! Just found the source: Here's a clearer (and much larger) view.Guess it is official after all.
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Nameless Spawn

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I usually don't double post, but I had an interesting sort of revelation. Someone on the TV Tropes forums suggested that King Candy's little green minion, Sour Bill, might actually turn out to be the villain.   It's been mentioned before that in the movie "acid green" is the color of evil. And I get the distinct impression that Sour Bill doesn't enjoy his lot in life. Not to mention the little blurb about him in King Candy's official description, so... yeah. I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm blindly grasping at straws.
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