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Title: Most Comfortable Absorber For Wira 1.5


powerbird - July 2, 2008 04:21 PM (GMT)
Need some experts or experienced opinions.
First of all,...I am getting old and I am looking for most comfortable ride.
I am driving 1.5 manual Wira year 2000.
I had changed to APM absorber 2 years, the damping is horrible,...over uneven road surfaces, its rebound is too quick, not absorbing alot.
Over ripples or potholes, very stiff.


1. What is the original absorber for year 2000 Wira?
If i can recall the original stock absorber was way more comfortable

2. Is Monroe Sensatrac the most comfortable for a Wira 1.5?

3. Is ride quality mostly affected by absorber? How about the coil spring? After so many years will it wear out?

Hope I can really get a very good clue from all. Thanks. :) :)

samuel9281 - July 2, 2008 04:25 PM (GMT)
change to sentra...........one shot solve ur problem :lol:

powerbird - July 2, 2008 04:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (samuel9281 @ Jul 3 2008, 12:25 AM)
change to sentra...........one shot solve ur problem :lol:

aiyoh i also know sentra more comfortable than Wira la...but got no money buy sentra ma...

but my budget tight,...what to do.....improve my comfort with minimal budget and use same car...

unfortunately thats the situation i am in now.

powerbird - July 2, 2008 05:47 PM (GMT)
After reading the Kayaba vs APM vs Monroe thread I ended up getting very confused.
It seems Monroe is the choice for comfort...

Then some say Sensatrac more comfort than Reflex.

While others say Reflex more comfort than Sensatrac...

I really need help now

khguan - July 2, 2008 05:50 PM (GMT)
i think maybe u are experiencing bumpiness.. not stiffness...

the most comfortable setup would be stock spring with stock absorber..

u cannot expect superb damping with super comfort setting..

so far i only find one after market setup that is quite comfort and better handling than stock settings. Damping over bumps is superb too. This setup is the Improve Comfort + stock springs.. I have sold many sets of these shocks to wira SE owners... even myself also like it.. n i'm going to get this combination soon too.

monroe sensatrac shocks are stiffer than stock... u might not like it as u might experience the bumpiness on uneven road or yellow strips...

on the other hand... if ur springs have sagged especially the rear ones... it will affect the comfort level and the reliability of the shocks as well...

just to share from my experience of using n selling suspension all these years...

khguan - July 2, 2008 05:52 PM (GMT)
btw pls intro urself in the newbie section ok?

powerbird - July 2, 2008 06:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (khguan @ Jul 3 2008, 01:50 AM)
i think maybe u are experiencing bumpiness.. not stiffness...

the most comfortable setup would be stock spring with stock absorber..

u cannot expect superb damping with super comfort setting..

so far i only find one after market setup that is quite comfort and better handling than stock settings. Damping over bumps is superb too. This setup is the Improve Comfort + stock springs.. I have sold many sets of these shocks to wira SE owners... even myself also like it.. n i'm going to get this combination soon too.

monroe sensatrac shocks are stiffer than stock... u might not like it as u might experience the bumpiness on uneven road or yellow strips...

on the other hand... if ur springs have sagged especially the rear ones... it will affect the comfort level and the reliability of the shocks as well...

just to share from my experience of using n selling suspension all these years...

So which aftermarket brand combination are you referring to?

And,...if the rear spring sagged already,....how much does the replacement spring costs?

Will intro myself shortly..

Thanks for your input
i am from penang.

khguan - July 2, 2008 06:08 PM (GMT)
Improve Comfort Shocks + Original Springs


the rear springs can be replaced with new ones.. cost not sure..

powerbird - July 2, 2008 06:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (khguan @ Jul 3 2008, 02:08 AM)
Improve Comfort Shocks + Original Springs


the rear springs can be replaced with new ones.. cost not sure..

What brand is the Improve Comfort Shock Absorber?

Which shop in Penang sells this?

khguan - July 2, 2008 06:14 PM (GMT)
Brand : IMPROVE

Series : Comfort

which shop in Penang? no idea... but Automotive Genesis definitely have it :lol:

and also has lots of experience for installing it... hehe...

powerbird - July 2, 2008 06:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (khguan @ Jul 3 2008, 02:14 AM)
Brand : IMPROVE

Series : Comfort

which shop in Penang? no idea... but Automotive Genesis definitely have it :lol:

and also has lots of experience for installing it... hehe...

how much does it cost? one pair front and one pair rear..

izso - July 2, 2008 10:55 PM (GMT)
Every wears out eventually. An 8 year old car probably means your springs are as good as dead.

Originals are from Kayaba. But ori Kayaba nowadays is buatan M'sia and has been known to die very fast. Give and take RM80 to RM100 per piece.

Monroe reflex is comfortable. Slow rebound, so expect zero performance feel. Give and take RM120 per piece.

Monroe sensatrac is more or less the same as reflex. Maybe a bit stiffer. Give and take RM120 per piece

Original Proton WiSE springs full set RM400++. Original 1.5/1.6 should be cheaper a little bit.

PM Khguan and Drexchan about the Improve, or just check out the Automotive Genesis thread. They are our WAC merchant so we get pretty good deals from them. Improves are OEM replacement abs plus a little spice. They are comfy for sure but work a little better than Kayabas in terms of performance but still aren't meant for hard cornering.

Protonman - July 3, 2008 12:27 AM (GMT)
if yr looking for springs, I still have a 1.5 year old Satria 1.3GLi springs with me but can only confirm when I balik kampung. It's not with me now and it's painted in red. I think the Satria's spring sud be similar to Wira's.

khguan - July 3, 2008 02:23 AM (GMT)
nop.. satria springs are not meant for wira... the rear springs are softer... even for GTi also the rear springs are softer than wira rear springs..

The improve comfort shocks are RM650 with installation. You get a stable ride without sacrificing the ride comfort. Makes your car feels firm and solid.

samuel9281 - July 3, 2008 03:38 AM (GMT)
Ah Guan,

Maybe u intro him ur setting ? :lol:

laytiong - July 3, 2008 04:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (powerbird @ Jul 3 2008, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (khguan @ Jul 3 2008, 02:08 AM)
Improve Comfort Shocks + Original Springs


the rear springs can be replaced with new ones.. cost not sure..

What brand is the Improve Comfort Shock Absorber?

Which shop in Penang sells this?

try the goodyear tyre shop in relau. the big one on the right side of the road if u r coming in from PISA

i 'm using them in front for my waja 1.6. they're red in colour. 1.5 years and still going good the absorbers and they are a bit stiffer than stock kayabas.

the damping is pretty good but not hard enuff for me. I might go for APM Performax next.

superglwl - July 3, 2008 05:27 AM (GMT)
but i find apm performax very hard leh......
anyway my springs are 15 years old....
its time to change.
still figuring out what to change.

GuN - July 3, 2008 05:28 AM (GMT)
i tot apm r soft? am using performax now.

izso - July 3, 2008 06:37 AM (GMT)
Superglwl : don think far far la.. Eiback prokit + Koni absorbers cheap in Singapore mah :lol:

Just need to know where to look!

dweichoe - July 3, 2008 07:57 AM (GMT)
hahahaa... getting GAB SS la~! one shot kao tim. :lol:

Add some "bra":

1. front 4 point tower bar
2. Front lower arm bar
3. Room Bar
4. Fender Bar
4. FRONT & REAR ARB- order from guan~! :tb: :tb:

After this bra and shocks, can go touge liao~! or test drive your car at the winding road in tanjung bunga(jalan "air kolam" )~!

ahboy - July 3, 2008 07:58 AM (GMT)
for comfort, i think original oil filled absorbers the best with original springs, try front oil and rear gas.

I used monroe sensatrac for more than 6 years onto my wira aeroback year99. I can said in between oil and gas filled absorbers. Abit harder than oil and softer than gas.

Now using apm performax, abit bumpier than sensatrac. Monroe only suitable for heavier cars, once installed on a heavier car, the ride is very comfort. Our wiras is not suitable and thats why its a bit bumpier than original. But if u travel with 4-5 passengers on ur wira, then it is very comfortable throught entire highway ride.

khguan - July 3, 2008 08:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (samuel9281 @ Jul 3 2008, 11:38 AM)
Ah Guan,

Maybe u intro him ur setting ? :lol:

dun wan la...not easy to get the OEM shocks...

superglwl - July 3, 2008 08:31 AM (GMT)
actually i am thought of getting lowered springs.
buts scared kena body with 55/R15
anyone with this setup?

Protonman - July 3, 2008 08:54 AM (GMT)
use original absorbers and coil springs. then send the car for acoustic sponge installation, it will feel quiet and comfortable la... no need to think so much of other things. oh yeah, 8 years already, remember to change all the door rubber linings too, makes great difference!


superglwl - July 3, 2008 09:05 AM (GMT)
you change ur door lining before?
all of them?
big difference?
how many pc all together..if not wrong 10pc including rear boot rite?
how much cost?

samuel9281 - July 3, 2008 09:50 AM (GMT)
all roughly RM180.....coz i changed before

powerbird - July 3, 2008 11:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Protonman @ Jul 3 2008, 04:54 PM)
use original absorbers and coil springs. then send the car for acoustic sponge installation, it will feel quiet and comfortable la... no need to think so much of other things. oh yeah, 8 years already, remember to change all the door rubber linings too, makes great difference!

Noted,..thanks for the tips....

Probably it will make alot of difference for my car because it is parked under the hot sun 80% of its life span,....probably door lining already dead .

chiewwl - July 3, 2008 02:53 PM (GMT)
yeah. many of us rides are parked direct sunlight...

drexchan - July 3, 2008 07:33 PM (GMT)
To you all's amazement, I am using APM performax too!

NOT because it's any better than GAB or Improve, but I got them quite cheaply from a customer. So I sold the GAB and use the APM Performax for the front. Still made RM100.. haha!

Protonman - July 4, 2008 12:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (superglwl @ Jul 3 2008, 05:05 PM)
you change ur door lining before?
all of them?
big difference?
how many pc all together..if not wrong 10pc including rear boot rite?
how much cost?

I hv not changed mine but I helped my friend on his Evo3 before. It's exactly the same set of rubber lining from Wira. The difference were very obvious. After changing the lining, the car felt so much quieter inside. Even motorbike passing by the side felt so muffled. It's a good investment to start off if your car is old and u wanted better NVH. Like suggested, coupe it with acoustic sponge, it's even better. Then spray 3M harden foam into the body structure AND refresh the antirust undercarraige and wheel arch, u'll be impressed how quiet yr Wira can be.




superglwl - July 4, 2008 01:16 AM (GMT)
quiet car is what i need traveling highways...
i will change all my rubber lining this week end.
so its about rm180 rite for all.....gotcha

mabah - July 4, 2008 02:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Protonman @ Jul 4 2008, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE (superglwl @ Jul 3 2008, 05:05 PM)
you change ur door lining before?
all of them?
big difference?
how many pc all together..if not wrong 10pc including rear boot rite?
how much cost?

Like suggested, coupe it with acoustic sponge, it's even better. Then spray 3M harden foam into the body structure AND refresh the antirust undercarraige and wheel arch, u'll be impressed how quiet yr Wira can be.

Protonman,

Any suggested place to where this accoustic and undercarrige spray can be done? My wira already 9 years. Thanks.

HIM-Tech - July 4, 2008 03:13 AM (GMT)
all body repair establishments can do this, just a matter of which material to use. material can range anywhere from rm50 to few hundreds per liter. the material are all bitumen based products and a very tough rubberized coating. i had mine redone for 2k+ 2 years ago.

Protonman - July 4, 2008 08:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (mabah @ Jul 4 2008, 10:44 AM)
QUOTE (Protonman @ Jul 4 2008, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE (superglwl @ Jul 3 2008, 05:05 PM)
you change ur door lining before?
all of them?
big difference?
how many pc all together..if not wrong 10pc including rear boot rite?
how much cost?

Like suggested, coupe it with acoustic sponge, it's even better. Then spray 3M harden foam into the body structure AND refresh the antirust undercarraige and wheel arch, u'll be impressed how quiet yr Wira can be.

Protonman,

Any suggested place to where this accoustic and undercarrige spray can be done? My wira already 9 years. Thanks.

Sorry, I do not know any good shops to recomend in KL but I believed if you're hardworking enough to go to some ICE forums, surely u can find some info there.

I've done the undercarraige antirust treatment before on my AE111 last time. One IMPORTANT REMINDER. Make sure you ask them to cover your rims while they spray it. Else, you will cry cleaning yr rims after that.

I had my rims changed and went for the antirust treatment the next day. I almost wanted to kill the guy who did the thing.

ahboy - July 4, 2008 09:44 AM (GMT)
Wah they r very inconsiderate, they should cover for u mah, its their profession leh

powerbird - July 5, 2008 08:25 AM (GMT)
Hi All, thanks for all the tips..

Just now i drove my fren's Wira with Monroe, seems that Sensatrac at the front and Reflex rear, cause mechanic says Sensatac too soft for rear.

The damping over bumps, or crests, or long unevenness seems better than my car...

but going over ripples or small potholes seems quite rigid,,...I don't know its because his tire pressure too stiff or he put too much loose objects and coins in his car,...exaggeratting the inability to absorb potholes and ripples.

What do you think, is my assessment make sense?

powerbird - July 5, 2008 08:26 AM (GMT)
and one mechanic told me that APM is too soft, while the APM i fitted on my car i thought is too hard and can't absorb bumps properly,...rebound too quick

izso - July 6, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
powerbird - "hard" and "soft" is very subjective. Come TT one of these days and if Seanlee comes, try sitting in his car. He will tell you "Very shiok one.. ok ok hard only". But to others it's almost bone jarring. So soft to you might not be soft to another person.

As what ahboy pointed out, monroe abs were designed for heavier cars so on a sedan Wira, it might be too hard.

Bro, if you're not looking for performance and only just comfort, seriously consider "Improve comfort" abs. They are the most cost effective whilst being OEM stiffness, without the quick wearing out of the Kayaba's.

Or if you got the budget terus Eibach prokit + Koni shocks. :devil:




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