I say ray cause kai fought him at full power and ray really made him sweat, even though his teammate lee suck i say ray was a close second strongest in the tournament. :P

I say Brooklyn ñ_ñ, he won him the first time they battled and then in their second encounter Kai won but it was a big challenge for him and that's the reason he could win the next time ñ_ñ

Thanks, but i mean between ray and max. :D

Ahhhhh, jeje, sorry! :P I didn't know that because the question didn´t mention it XDD

Ok, I will say....Rei, totally Rei. You're right, in their battle, besides Rei was a little bit weak than other times, he gave such a fight for Kai, it was a great battle ñ_ñ

No worries dude, but i can't get over the fact that kai wore himself out before fighting tyson, why did he gave the main character such an advantageray could have definetly beaten tyson if he would have fought him like he did kai. <_< .

Where is the glory in beating an already tired opponent.

Kai has the sense of honour. Takao had already fought once or twice that day. He wanted the battle to be fair.

If you meant for that to be the focus of the topic, then you should have specified so in your first post. In any case, maybe it will allow for more discussion if the scope is left open.

Although I think that Rei made Kai work harder for his victory, that's not to say that Kai's battle with Max was a 'stroll in the park', so to speak. Both Rei and Max have different battle styles and strategies and so both tested and challenged Kai's abilities in different ways.

We know that the battle with Rei was more physically demanding, since Kai was shown to be exhausted after the battle (although he hid it from his team-mates). But the battle with Max could have gone either way - Kai's blade was almost knocked out, and it was only down to pure luck that Dranzer landed on the right side of the edge of the beydish (bad luck and the wrong side in Max's case).

Kai couldn't have known that Takao had taken a nap before their battle. If he had known that his opponent was well rested, I doubt he would have gone through the trouble. Ironically, in trying to make sure the battle was fair, Kai unwittingly made sure it was more of the opposite...

And, Rei wouldn't have beaten Takao in the final, had he managed to make it that far. Kai is a stronger beyblader than Rei, and he lost the final. Of course, it wouldn't have been an easy battle for Takao if he did face off against Rei, but he would win it. He always does, after all.

Rei had it tough for Kai, but it wasn't that hard of a match for Kai to pull off. And against Max, apart from when Kai almost got his blade knocked out, it wasn't so tough either. Now, if Max fought him like in his match vs Takao he could somewhat compare to Rei's.
Both Brooklyn and Takao were the toughest, with Kai's 2nd match vs Brooklyn being the one he had to give the most out of himself.

As for the one trying the hardest to beat Kai, then yes, Rei, followed by Takao (who won). Brooklyn never tried hard in any match besides against Takao and even then unleashing all that power, it doesn't really compare the same way.

Yeah, you guys make a lot of good points, but i feel like kai was cheated off the championship, also remember that when takao fights agains rei in episode 37 he say that he's the strongest oponnent he's ever fought against so rei gave takao a bigger challenge than kai. Also no one dominated their oponnents in the bega challenge like rei did, moses only won cause of his sister and by a fluke. ^_^

A lot of people share the same opinion but it's just how the story worked out in order for the main character to win.

Think of it this way, usually opponents of the main character loose due to lack of strength, Kai would have won if he was at full strength, considering Takao's blade stops spinning only moments afterwards. So as anime plot lines go, Kai's role was quite decent considering the fact he would have won and that he chose to be fair. Plot decisions like that take the focus away from the main character.

If Kai had won, it wouldn't have inspired him to go on to do the great battles he did in order to get to fight Takao again, like with Rei and Max.

Perhaps you could read the second post above yours, and what I wrote in your other topic in this section.

Your posts give the impression that you haven't seen the Brooklyn VS Kai battle in episode 48...

Kai was the only blader other than Takao who dominated his part of the BEGA battles. Rei and Max were both challenged to their limits as Kai was in their BEGA battles. The differences though, were that Kai came out with a win and put more effort into the battle, an extremely high amount of effort that almost cost him his life.

Although, I'm not saying Rei's battle wasn't was tough for him, that he didn't put all his strength and effort into it, it just didn't have the same level of domination and strength that Kai's battle with Brooklyn had.

Out of all the bladebreakers, Kai had the better reason to want to fight Takao again, giving him more determination and strength to do so.


Going back to the topic at hand, Brooklyn followed by Takao are the two characters that gave Kai the most challenge in this series. My reasons have already been stated here and those battles tend to explain themselves.

Well again you make sense, but i just don't get why they made the third strongest of the bladebreakers suck so much in g-revolution. If you look at it if he hadn't beaten lee and mariah in the china tournament they would had lose the championship cause max lost against gay. Also in the battle against bryan, he came through yet again wich he hadn't won it would have been the end of the bladebreakers. Also he beats Dunga, the second strongest of the saint shields in episode 38 of v-force, and he ties with gordo. Rei definetly fight pretty well against the big guys for being a blader of speed and not strenght, see how he's in par when kai and rei are fighting in episode 23 of g-revolution, also against moses when he sends his blade flying with that kick and then started attacking fiercely. If his attacks were focused in strenght instead of speed he would be the best no sweat.

And yeah i saw episode 48 in english, Italian and japanese and kai pretty much had contorl. But not takao against garland, if garland would have fought takao like he did Yuriy he would have lost since garland's attacks wern't hitting takao like they did yuriy, Brooklyn's another one who doesn't attack takao phisychly. I think Garland and Brooklyn take it easy on Takao and we don't even know if Takao beats brooklyn, plus i think Takao cheats when he has help n the battle against brooklyn, i think Takao was strongest inv-force when battling gordo zeo who not even kai could beat them.

ray4ever2, do not double post. Use the edit button if you want to add something to what you originally wrote.

If you still haven't done so, it is important for you to go and read through the forum rules. Here is the link, once again:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Ty_Kamara/index.php?showtopic=1

Getting back on topic, since I didn't write it before, I believe that Brooklyn gave Kai the greatest challenge overall. I think it is made rather obvious that this is the case, because in their second match, Kai put in so much effort to defeat Brooklyn that he actually collapsed after he had achieved the victory.

Ok, your right phoenix rising, i'm sorry but i didn't know how to use edit. And yeah kai did gave it his all, but they say that kai died after that last battle and that dranzer revives him cause he's a phoenix. Another question, did you helped make beyblade rebirth, you kind of look like you did.

I'd like to clarify what i meant when i said that rei was the most dominant one against the justice five battle. If you see episode 44 on youtube you'll see that rei's dominating the entire match and when he has him in the corner to give him the final strike he thinks of his sister and that's what gives him strenght to get him out of that jam, so if it wasn't for Monica, Moses would have lost that battle in three minutes tops.

I don't really agree with this because of one reason that makes G-Revolution differ from Seasons 1 and 2.

The first two series had the team working together, the viewers are meant to side with the Bladebreakers. Every time a Bladebreaker won, it was important and made more of a difference because it directly affected Takao and his team as one.

In G-Revolution the focus is changed to the BBA Revolution team. Kai, Max and Rei's wins didn't make a difference anymore to Takao unless he lost against them, in fact their loses were a good thing for the BBA Revolution team.

The viewer must look at each Bladebreaker independently in G-Revolution, not compare with them to the others to see their progress or lack of. Like I said before, Rei didn't do badly overall, he was just unlucky with most of the opponents he went against.

Only at the BEGA tournament did it make a difference, Rei and Max lost but they still did their best, their overall progression as Beybladers shouldn't be judged on their BEGA tournament battles alone.

I really wouldn't agree that Garland and Brooklyn 'went easy on Takao' or that he cheats...

Garland's case

This is a blader who's whole family is a champion at sport. Boris Balkov gives him a chance to be champion at Beyblading. He starts off strong against Takao and is convinced he has to win as a 'professional'. Takao talks sense into him, as main characters do in battles, and convinces him of his blader way that Beyblade battles are about fun and not winning. After this the battle changes, it seems as if both bladers are taking it easy on each other, Garland more because he looses, but really they are just battling differently to the best of their abilities.

Brooklyn's case

This is a blader who at this point has suffered major psychological collapse and destruction. All his life he's won, up until the point Kai beats him, it went past his gifted ability of predicting the outcomes of battles other than his own also. Even Hiro underestimated how much loosing would affect him, he said it's just something he had to learn, until Hiro causes him to have hallucinations, causing Hiro to realize the seriousness.

Going easy on Takao, his next opponent, is the complete opposite of what he went into battle for, especially after realizing he could channel his emotions into Zeus.


Takao's Case

After talking sense into Brooklyn, after Brooklyn destroyed the BEGA stadium, building and Balkov's dream of professional Beyblade domination, Takao made it clear to everyone it was over. It was no longer a Beyblade battle for the champion title any longer, it was to get Brooklyn help out of the darkness, considering he had a powerful force on his side, it made him dangerously unstable.

Everyone else helped at this point not only to stop him, but to show Brooklyn Takao never battles alone, that he battles with his teammates in spirit, as it was shown in the end of season 1.

...You just click on the 'Edit' button. You will be taken to what you originally wrote, which you can then add to or change, and once you are finished, you just submit your modified post. Really, it is very straightforward, you cannot go wrong.

Do not double post again. I am assuming that you know what double posting means. If you don't, then you obviously have still not read the forum rules.

He was not weak. He just faced off against extremely tough competition, as has already been mentioned. I don't think any other blader would be 'thrilled' to have to go up against Rei in a tournament. He is very difficult to beat - just look how hard Kai had to work to defeat him.

As such a 'fan' of the character, you really ought to know and appreciate that Rei's strength actually lies in his speed. Take that away and he would not be half the blader that he is.

If that question is directed at me, I don't know what you are talking about...

For your general information, if you want to ask someone a question about themselves that is not related to the topic being discussed, do so using the Personal Messenger (PM) system.

Well, you make good points,but you havn't explained how rei's power doesn't differs that much from kai, cause rei would have beaten moses in five seconds if he wouldn't have been thinking of his sister, rei could have definetly beaten mystel, i think max is to weak to be on the g-revolution tem and kai's to pushy and is always insulting them and betraying them, and i mostly mean btraying them. Takao's another case but he's true and loyal and always come trough. I think they should get two new memebers, one that's stronger and another who's a better leader.

Could you rephrase that, if possible.

If Moses's sister didn't need an operation, he wouldn't have been in the BEGA team tournament in the first place. It's his desire to win to get money and pay for the operation that motivates him to be as strong as he is. So in that way you are right that if he didn't have that reason, he may have lost.

But that is how a lot of characters win battles. Every blader has the ability to win, it's just how they perform that counts, which explains why Kenny did so well against Yuriy, that sudden desire to win makes a character so much stronger as shown in animes. A lot of the time, characters seem to be loosing, hit a point in the battle where they decide they can't loose, power up and end up winning.

What is the reasoning why you think it's 'definite'? If Rei lost against Mystel too would you call him weak also for that reason? There's no telling who would win in a battle between Rei and Mystel. Max was emotionally torn that day with all the pressure put on him, that could have played a big part in his loss.

In my opinion, the Bladebreakers are a well balanced winning combination. No team's players need to win every battle to be a success.

A front man attack, defense, speed, balance and intelligence players. The reasons the chairman of the BBA chose them to be in the same team in the first place.

Hi guys, sorry if i made anyone mad with my comments. I realize i was a little off and that the entire team it's good. Everyone has done their parts, and they all had each other's backs. For example like when Dunga takes away driger and later Kai tries to beat Dunga to get it back for him, then when they gang up on him Rei has kai's back also. One couldn't function without the other, so i take back pretty much everything i said. But one thing that bothers me though is something that breedo said. How come Tala was so strong in season 1, that kai couldn't even beat Spencer, then in g revolution Kai is far better than tala. And i mean by a lot.

Yuriy battled in Season 1 against Takao after he underwent genetic enhancement in the B.I.O.V.O.L.T labratories. This increased his strength greatly and made more of a connection with his bitbeast. He also had an army of bitbeasts within his power.

The only other blader he battled, as far as I can recall, was Eddy, and he hadn't been a strong character in general.

After the collapse of B.I.O.V.O.L.T perhaps somehow the genetic enhancements were reversed. If Tala ever went out of control, surely Boris Balkov, the scientist behind the development of his genetic enhancements, would have prepared for this possibility by recalling his 'experiment'.

Yuriy in Season 1 has the purpose of being the strongest opponent of Takao Kinomiya.

In G-Revolution, Yuriy and his team's roles are less important. Kai on the other hand goes from being a team mate to a competitor (as he mentioned at the end of Season 1). His role is to become strong to face Takao, thus he becomes stronger than Yuriy. Yuriy's role is to appear as a blader in a 'returning familiar character team' and then a failed opposer of BEGA.

However, Tala's role is much bigger in the manga overall.

Like many have said, Brooklyn. Kai had to really dig deep for that fight which in the end almost cost him everything.

I would say Brooklyn but then again Tyson beat a even better Brooklyn, so if Tyson and Kai were to battle again it might be Tyson.