ten oldest men

Maybe that would explain why Izumi's age wasn't debunked or verified.

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

Walter Breuning
Jiroemen Kimura
Garland Adair
Hillard Hudson
Stanley Lucas
Jozef Kowalski
James Sisnett
Jorgen Rustad
Joseph Savage
Alfonso De Marco

That's a huge 18 month gap to Alfonso De Marco - expect loads of men in between.

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

How do we know the Japanese Government is not upping cases just so they would have the world oldest for example? I do not doubt because Robert is adding Japanese cases to Table E, that they are 100% reliable. He does not add unreliable cases. But I was just wondering how you can be 100% sure?

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

How do we know the Japanese Government is not upping cases just so they would have the world oldest for example? I do not doubt because Robert is adding Japanese cases to Table E, that they are 100% reliable. He does not add unreliable cases. But I was just wondering how you can be 100% sure?

That is a ridiculous statement, it is clear that the government of Japan does not care about Table E and I highly doubt they would be "rigging" results to get more members on this list. For one, age reporting starts at 100, so that's why we found Kama Chinen, age "110" in 2005; age "107" in 2002, age "105" in 2000. While it's possible in any one case for the age to be incorrect, age inflation must have occurred prior to age 100. That alone limits the "motivation" of getting false cases on the list.

Rather, they have been loathe to release information.

In Japan, since 1879, every member of every family has had their birth registered (Koseki). You're not going to have someone just pop out of nowhere, claiming to be "120." Even Izumi "started out" at 113 in 1978, it took years for him to get to "120."

Now, there are possibilities for errors or fraud, such as "unreported deaths" or younger siblings taking the names of older ones. But these errors, for the most part, are few and far between. Validated or not, NO claim claim in Japan has exceeded 123 years in 100+ YEARS OF REPORTING.

IN THE U.S., WE'VE HAD CLAIMS SUCH AS CHARLIE SMITH, "137"; SYLVESTER MAGEE, "130," JACKSON POLLARD, "128," AND ALBERTA DAVIS, "125." NOT TO MENTION AUGUSTA BUNGE, "124."

Ah okay. So they do have some form of birth certificate.

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

Correction: Hamish Todd lives in the UK, as he works for the British Library:

http://www.fathom.com/contributors/4284.html

The information about Japanese cases that gets reported to GRG comes largely from data posted in Japanese news sources and government-issued press releases and documents. This is because our currently active Japanese correspondents (including me) all live outside of Japan: I live in the United States, Stefan Gelow lives in Sweden, and Hamish Todd lives in the United Kingdom.

We have had some (native) Japanese correspondents in the past, including Nobuko Endo, Tamashiro Hiko, Yasuhiko Saito, Baba Ikue, Ken Matsuoka, Tomoko Adachi, etc. However, these people have not been heard from for at least the past three years.

At this time, it appears that our only accessible correspondent who lives in Japan is D. Craig Willcox of the Okinawan Centenarian Study, yet he usually doesn't report back to us unless we ask him to.

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

How do we know the Japanese Government is not upping cases just so they would have the world oldest for example? I do not doubt because Robert is adding Japanese cases to Table E, that they are 100% reliable. He does not add unreliable cases. But I was just wondering how you can be 100% sure?

That is a ridiculous statement, it is clear that the government of Japan does not care about Table E and I highly doubt they would be "rigging" results to get more members on this list. For one, age reporting starts at 100, so that's why we found Kama Chinen, age "110" in 2005; age "107" in 2002, age "105" in 2000. While it's possible in any one case for the age to be incorrect, age inflation must have occurred prior to age 100. That alone limits the "motivation" of getting false cases on the list.

Rather, they have been loathe to release information.

In Japan, since 1879, every member of every family has had their birth registered (Koseki). You're not going to have someone just pop out of nowhere, claiming to be "120." Even Izumi "started out" at 113 in 1978, it took years for him to get to "120."

Now, there are possibilities for errors or fraud, such as "unreported deaths" or younger siblings taking the names of older ones. But these errors, for the most part, are few and far between. Validated or not, NO claim claim in Japan has exceeded 123 years in 100+ YEARS OF REPORTING.

IN THE U.S., WE'VE HAD CLAIMS SUCH AS CHARLIE SMITH, "137"; SYLVESTER MAGEE, "130," JACKSON POLLARD, "128," AND ALBERTA DAVIS, "125." NOT TO MENTION AUGUSTA BUNGE, "124."

Actually, Izumi first emerged as the "oldest person" in 1976 at 111.

I am wondering why Michael DeSantis (05/26/1899) from the usa can not validate as 'real' male supercentenarian? He is now one of the 3 unverified male supercentenarians on wikipedia?
look at his 110th birthday news report:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/may/27/hubb...tone/?newswatch
can someone explain that to me? ty

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

How do we know the Japanese Government is not upping cases just so they would have the world oldest for example? I do not doubt because Robert is adding Japanese cases to Table E, that they are 100% reliable. He does not add unreliable cases. But I was just wondering how you can be 100% sure?

That is a ridiculous statement, it is clear that the government of Japan does not care about Table E and I highly doubt they would be "rigging" results to get more members on this list. For one, age reporting starts at 100, so that's why we found Kama Chinen, age "110" in 2005; age "107" in 2002, age "105" in 2000. While it's possible in any one case for the age to be incorrect, age inflation must have occurred prior to age 100. That alone limits the "motivation" of getting false cases on the list.

Rather, they have been loathe to release information.

In Japan, since 1879, every member of every family has had their birth registered (Koseki). You're not going to have someone just pop out of nowhere, claiming to be "120." Even Izumi "started out" at 113 in 1978, it took years for him to get to "120."

Now, there are possibilities for errors or fraud, such as "unreported deaths" or younger siblings taking the names of older ones. But these errors, for the most part, are few and far between. Validated or not, NO claim claim in Japan has exceeded 123 years in 100+ YEARS OF REPORTING.

IN THE U.S., WE'VE HAD CLAIMS SUCH AS CHARLIE SMITH, "137"; SYLVESTER MAGEE, "130," JACKSON POLLARD, "128," AND ALBERTA DAVIS, "125." NOT TO MENTION AUGUSTA BUNGE, "124."

Actually, Izumi first emerged as the "oldest person" in 1976 at 111.

Actually, that is an historical reconstruction, not what really happened THEN.

I'll say it again: the Shigechiyo Izumi case emerged internationally in 1978, with a claim to age 113. Check the newspapers. Check the Guinness Books.

Greetings,

The family of Michael DeSantis has NOT provided proof of birth, and Mr. DeSantis has NOT been located in early census records.

However, there is still a possibility that birth records from Italy may be found. That has not yet happened.

The information about Japanese cases that gets reported to GRG comes largely from data posted in Japanese news sources and government-issued press releases and documents. This is because our currently active Japanese correspondents (including me) all live outside of Japan: I live in the United States, Stefan Gelow lives in Sweden, and Hamish Todd lives in the United Kingdom.

We have had some (native) Japanese correspondents in the past, including Nobuko Endo, Tamashiro Hiko, Yasuhiko Saito, Baba Ikue, Ken Matsuoka, Tomoko Adachi, etc. However, these people have not been heard from for at least the past three years.

At this time, it appears that our only accessible correspondent who lives in Japan is D. Craig Willcox of the Okinawan Centenarian Study, yet he usually doesn't report back to us unless we ask him to.

Oh wow, I would have thought that they lived in or near Japan, possibly Hawaii.

He is dead, since the oldest man in that prefecture now is someone else.

And yes, the validation is done by the japanese government who are very thorough with that. It is impossible to find any census data, so it is necessary to rely on the work actually done by authorities. And furthermore, I don't think any japanese validators actually live in Japan (apart from Hamish Todd who undoubtedly is busy with other things) so it is not a matter of "just going there".

By the way, there are at least two male supercentenarians in Japan right now (apart from Kimura), but both are anonymous without birthdates. One in Akita and one in Tokyo.

How do we know the Japanese Government is not upping cases just so they would have the world oldest for example? I do not doubt because Robert is adding Japanese cases to Table E, that they are 100% reliable. He does not add unreliable cases. But I was just wondering how you can be 100% sure?

That is a ridiculous statement, it is clear that the government of Japan does not care about Table E and I highly doubt they would be "rigging" results to get more members on this list. For one, age reporting starts at 100, so that's why we found Kama Chinen, age "110" in 2005; age "107" in 2002, age "105" in 2000. While it's possible in any one case for the age to be incorrect, age inflation must have occurred prior to age 100. That alone limits the "motivation" of getting false cases on the list.

Rather, they have been loathe to release information.

In Japan, since 1879, every member of every family has had their birth registered (Koseki). You're not going to have someone just pop out of nowhere, claiming to be "120." Even Izumi "started out" at 113 in 1978, it took years for him to get to "120."

Now, there are possibilities for errors or fraud, such as "unreported deaths" or younger siblings taking the names of older ones. But these errors, for the most part, are few and far between. Validated or not, NO claim claim in Japan has exceeded 123 years in 100+ YEARS OF REPORTING.

IN THE U.S., WE'VE HAD CLAIMS SUCH AS CHARLIE SMITH, "137"; SYLVESTER MAGEE, "130," JACKSON POLLARD, "128," AND ALBERTA DAVIS, "125." NOT TO MENTION AUGUSTA BUNGE, "124."

Actually, Izumi first emerged as the "oldest person" in 1976 at 111.

Actually, that is an historical reconstruction, not what really happened THEN.

I'll say it again: the Shigechiyo Izumi case emerged internationally in 1978, with a claim to age 113. Check the newspapers. Check the Guinness Books.

I dont know who I should take one's word for 111 or 113. Shigechiyo Izumi may have turned up internationally around 113, but I would think in Japan may be sooner probably at 111 and half, because thats when he apparently got the title of "Japan's oldest person."