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Do you know who is second oldest person in holland after Grietje Jansen-Anker?

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I wonder if there are some anonymous cases from the Netherlands aged 108+? Because their oldest person is Grietje Jansen Anker, who turns 112 next month. Second on the list is now Bertha van Hasselt who is more than 4 years(!!!) younger than Grietje and who is barely 107 years old.

In Belgium we do not have such gap. Our oldest is turning 111 this year and we have currently more than 10 people(!!) on the 108+ age list, who are currently still alive. Belgium is less crowded then the Netherlands and we are their neighbour. So it is hard for me to believe that Grietje is their ONLY person older than age 108.

There are probably some anonymous cases in the Netherlands, it is possilble that there is one other person who is at least 108. Just recently Grietje Jansen Anker became the oldest at 108. There have been also four Super-c deaths, in the past year and half.

England & Wales has around 100 people over 107 and the Netherlands has a population around 1/3 of that. Assuming they have the same rates (and I don't see why not), it does seem a very low number for the Netherlands.

I am pretty sure there is some one in the Netherlands, around 109-110 out there somewhere, there are around seven 107 year-olds. If they dont get reported, they will probably become known when Grietje Jansen Anker dies. If there really inst anyone 107+, its just a quirk of statistics.

Updates.

Bernardina Van Dommelen is reported in excellent health as of 08/26/09
Maria Ledent is reported in weak but stable health as of 08/19/09
Gabriëlle Demets is reported in excellent health as of 08/26/09
No news about Romanie Pollet at this point, but I assume she is doing just fine as Belgian's oldest.

Still waiting on documents for Marie Ledent...

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wow, mostly all good news, I see Belgium breaking some records in the next few years.

They already did break a record. 4 living Belgian Supercentenarian's at the same time. You know what the record was before? 1! (At one point a supercentenarian died one day before the 110th birthday of another Belgian, but we never had 2 or more living at the same time and now we have 4 all of a sudden)

Okay, Maria Ledent and Gabriëlle Demets are not validated yet, but I have sufficient documents to claim, they are 110+ with 100% certainty.

I am only a little worried about Maria Ledent. She surely is the weakest of these 4 supercentenarian's. 111 will be a stretch for her. The other 3, are all able to reach age 111, I think, if they do not become ill. Of course you never really know for sure. Supercentenarian's can go downhill fast.

Wow, Belgium is coming back quite stong, I reckon one of them may break the national record of 112 and a half.

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its seems like the older two are healthier than the younger two. This is truly remarkable for Belgium. over the next few months, Belgium may have a record 5 super-cs, and their oldest person Romaine pollets will be 111.

has there even been a Super-c from Luxembourg?

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oh that is surprising, I would have thought there would be at least one Super-c by now. I would say that probably have a 107 or 108 year-old.

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I'm not sure how many supercentenarians to expect, but look at for example the nordic countries, all of which have had decent statistics over the years. Including emigrants, wikipedia lists 39 supercentenarians, and the current population is roughly 25 millions. If the numbers are correct, we would expect a (alltime) supercentenarian per roughly 600000 people. Although this is a bit rough, it might give some sort of estimate. It would also mean some 10000 supercentenarians "ever" worldwide which could possibly be a bit high, but even so not entirely out there. Because of this, 0 SC in a country with 500000 is well within the expected.

Guernsey only has a population of 40000 and had Margaret Ann Neve. Another resident died not too long ago just less than 2 weeks short of 110.

There have been 3 supercentenarians from Chesterfield, England - a town of population of around 100000.

500000 is a fairly large population - similar to a city. It's probably just a matter of time. Do you know who the oldest resident in Luxembourg is?

I dont expect a Super-c to living there now, but I would expect that there at least a few Super-cs, with in the past few decades. I also think that they would probably be validated because It probably has great records, at least Belgium and the Netherlands have some of the best records.

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the thing is, Luxembourg is a mixing pot, it has 3 official languages: French, German, and Luxembourgish. It seems like Luxembourgish is closer to German than Dutch.

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Dutch Supercentenarian List

110+
1. Romanie Pollet(BE), 110 years and 298 days.
2. Bernardina van Dommelen(BE), 110 years and 214 days. Alive 10/09/09*
3. Maria Ledent(BE), 110 years and 117 days. Alive 08/18/09*
4. Gabriëlle Demets(BE), 110 years and 50 days. Alive 09/05/09*

109+
5. Adrienne ledent(BE), 109 years and 306 days.
6. Aimée Rensonnet(BE), 109 years and 270 days.
7. Germaine Degueldre(BE), 109 years and 19 days. Alive 10/02/09*

108+
8. Joannes(Jan) Goossenaerts(BE), 108 years and 350 days. Alive 08/17/09*
9. Maria De Jaeger (BE), 108 years and 273 days.

question:

is maria ledent and adrienne ledent related??? thnaks!!!

I think they are far away family yes, but I am not 100% sure. You should ask Michel P. he knows them better then I do. He is the main validator for Wallonie and he already visited both people a few times.

wow....they could be the next catherine hagel and delvina dahleimer.

Marie-simone capony whi died at 113 1/2 was in a wheelchair since 100.....I also think gertrude baines was in a wheelchair since around 100.

and in janury we could have 6 super-cs in belgium.

Yeah, 3 validated, and 3 unvalidated then. :) We have an abnormally strong generation of elderly people.

Dutch Supercentenarian List(new Update)

110+
1. Romanie Pollet(BE), 110 years and 299 days.
2. Bernardina van Dommelen(BE), 110 years and 215 days. Alive 10/09/09*
3. Maria Ledent(BE), 110 years and 118 days. Alive 10/22/09*
4. Gabriëlle Demets(BE), 110 years and 51 days. Alive 10/23/09*

109+
5. Adrienne ledent(BE), 109 years and 307 days.
6. Aimée Rensonnet(BE), 109 years and 271 days.
7. Germaine Degueldre(BE), 109 years and 20 days. Alive 10/02/09*

108+
8. Joannes(Jan) Goossenaerts(BE), 108 years and 351 days. Alive 08/17/09*
9. Maria De Jaeger (BE), 108 years and 274 days.

Are Adrienne Ledent and Maria Ledent related.

Someone already asked. According to Michel they are indeed far away family from eachother. But I personally did not investigate it, so do not shoot me if I am wrong. But no they are not sisters or so .. ;)

that would be a huge landmark for belgium......its quite weird......Belgium has person from 1898....while the netherlands......doesnt have any one from before 1902.

if the GRG had a corrspondent for luxembourg........at this point they may have an older person than the netherlands.....

Do no worry, the age bubble in belgium will also collapse one day. But I think with 14 108 years old(15 in fact according to Michel, but I count 14), I do not think the oldest from Belgium will drop under age 108 any time soon.