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onewarmslime - March 9, 2011 02:18 PM (GMT)
*Αν κάποιος το διαβάσει αυτό και έχει οποιανδήποτε πληροφορία για κάποιον αιωνόβιο (δεν χρειάζεται να έχει γεννηθεί το 1906 ή πριν) να μου στείλει ένα email στο nickge1993@gmail.com Ευχαριστώ!*
See this page for full info:
http://seaofslime.110mb.com

ΕDIT: Please use the above link. This is outdated.
I've been trying to start compiling a list like that lately.
Here is every case that I'm aware of so far. None are validated so I don't include the ? symbol next to their birth dates.
1904 - born centenarians and earlier are included for eponymous cases, 1906 and earlier for anonymous.

Living cases:

Eponymous cases

Zacharoula Fountea (b. 1892 / 1893) - 117/118 (Ζαχαρούλα Φουντέα, πατρικό: Κουλουμπέα)
EDIT: DEBUNKED - Born in 1904 or 1905 - see this: http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_110_Club/in...15#entry2800990
EDIT #2: See the post before the linked one.

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http://kopanakinews.wordpress.com/2010/05/...85%CF%80%CE%B5/
http://panta.pblogs.gr/2009/06/h-soyper-gi...n-kalamata.html
(May 2010 and July 2009 respectively)
Pictures: http://kopanakinews.files.wordpress.com/20...jpg?w=346&h=522
http://kopanakinews.files.wordpress.com/20...jpg?w=374&h=565
http://www.espressonews.gr/files/ArticlePh...gia_494x320.JPG
Notes: Family claim they have an early passport that can prove her age. Personally I find it hard to believe.

Mersene Zohos (March 16, 1900) - 111 - LIVES IN THE US
Here's is confirmation of her 111th birthday, and a video.
http://www.localnews8.com/news/27232288/detail.html
In the article she is declared "officially the oldest living Greek citizen" but I find it trully hard to believe she has a Greek citizenship.
EDIT: Significant doubts that she's really 111 because of the age of her daughter (she'd have to be 48 or 49 when she was born).

Charalampos Mitsoglou (b. February 10, 1902) - 109 (Χαράλαμπος Μιτσόγλου)
http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_110_Club/in...?showtopic=1805
Notes:That could be Haralampos instead of Charalampos. "Cha" is pronounced like the "Hu" in "Hulk". Possibly the oldest male in Greece.

Maria Stivaktaki (b. 1903??) - 107 / 108 (Μαρία Στιβακτάκη)
http://www.cretalive.gr/new/18913/crete/Ei...s...aisiodoxias
Picture: http://www.cretalive.gr/img/thumbs/650x325...7de6087e8c4.jpg
Notes: We have to dispute her age as according to her identity card she is "only" 102.

Mary Dimaki (September 9, 1903) - 107
Mary Dimaki, born September 9, 1903 in Greece and moved to the US at age 17, now lives in Miami and celebrated her 107th birthday a few months ago. On her 105th birthday, she received a congratulatory letter from George Bush, then president of the USA.
This article also briefly mentions Dr. Coles.
http://www.cretalive.gr/new/8574/expatriat...aika_sto_Maiami
http://www.enallaxnews.gr/news/10/Omogenei...ika-tou-maiami/




Anonymous cases
*WORK IN PROGRESS. NOT YET COMPLETE*

As of December 31st, 2010:
>
> 1900: 2
> M: 1
> F: 1 (1 identified)
>
> 1901: 4
> M: 1
> F: 3 (1 identified)
>
> 1902: 18
> F: 16
> M: 2 (1 identified)
>
> 1903: 11
> M: 3
> F: 8 (1 identified)
>
> 1904: 18
> M: 4
> F: 14 (1 identified)
>
> 1905: 22
> M: 2
> F: 20
>
> 1906: 31
> M: 10
> F: 21
>
> The 1900 born female is Mersene Zohos, and we know nothing about the male
except that he was born in 1900 and that he was alive at the end of 2010. He's
the oldest Greek man as well as the oldest resident of Greece, if alive.


Deceased cases:


Maria Ntourou (1841 - 1971) - 130
http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_110_Club/in...?showtopic=1804

Angeliki Vourna (1894/1895 - 2010) - 115
http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_110_Club/in...?showtopic=1829

Anastasia Athanassoula (1898 - 2009) - 111
http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_110_Club/in...?showtopic=1811

Gregory Pandazes (1873 - 1983) - 110
http://www.grg.org/Adams/A.HTM

Lambrini Tsiatoura (1870 - 1981) - 110
http://www.grg.org/Adams/A.HTM

Ioanna Lambropoulos (1884 - 1994) - 110
http://www.grg.org/Adams/A.HTM


Limbo or incomplete cases

Elias Athanasiades (b. 1891 - ?)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/World...le/message/2393






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> KAKAVAS, VASILIKI S 02 Apr 1902 23 Apr 2011 109 Danbury, Fairfield, CT

NickOrnstein - March 9, 2011 03:09 PM (GMT)
George Andrianopoulos passed away in 1980 in the UK according to the Wiki article on him, in case you didn't see.

onewarmslime - March 9, 2011 03:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Mar 9 2011, 10:09 PM)
George Andrianopoulos passed away in 1980 in the UK according to the Wiki article on him, in case you didn't see.

Urgh. Thanks for letting me know. That's one less.

Funny thing is, the website of the municipality of Piraeus (where he lived) lists him as alive!

Οn a brighter note, I found a 1900 male claim.
Evripidis Samlidis
http://santeos-best.com/page/%CE%95%CF%85%...%B1%CE%BC%CE%B1

The article was written in 09 but describes an interview taken in 2002. Not sure it it's confirmation he's alive. I'll try to get more info soon...

NickOrnstein - March 10, 2011 02:43 AM (GMT)
*Another case (male) Panos Zidros (Πάνος Ζήδρος) 1630-1750. http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Πά&...61;ος

NickOrnstein - March 10, 2011 03:40 AM (GMT)
*This source http://girismata.skai.gr/default.asp?cid=&pid=2&rid=1&vid=45 confirms that Vasiliki Lampidou is the "grandmother of all Greece."
*All sources say that Charalampos Mitsoglou was born 10 February 1902.

onewarmslime - March 10, 2011 02:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Mar 10 2011, 10:40 AM)
*This source http://girismata.skai.gr/default.asp?cid=&pid=2&rid=1&vid=45 confirms that Vasiliki Lampidou is the "grandmother of all Greece."
*All sources say that Charalampos Mitsoglou was born 10 February 1902.

Indeed he was born on 10, my bad, will fix.

Also, thanks for the link, I can't get the video to play on the left but I'll try again on another computer. More sources on Vasiliki Lampidou:
http://www.inout.gr/showthread.php?t=17890
http://www.makthes.gr/news/reportage/10722/
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.282381432691

On 2007 she was given an honorary award by the Academy of Athens (that has validated her age) for her service to the country (she lives next to the country borders, you'll see what I mean when I post the translation in the WOP). I know now that she was born in 1904, so since the first article was published on 21 January of 2011, her birthday could be somewhere between 1 and 21 of January, 1904. I'll try to get a confirmation soon.




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Now, I found another one that could be considered a USA case, since apparently she has been living there for a long time.
Mary Dimaki, born September 9, 1903 in Greece and moved to the US at age 17, now lives in Miami and celebrated her 107th birthday a few months ago. On her 105th birthday, she received a congratulatory letter from George Bush, then president of the USA.
This article also mentions Dr. Coles, so maybe one of you already knows about this?
http://www.cretalive.gr/new/8574/expatriat...aika_sto_Maiami
http://www.enallaxnews.gr/news/10/Omogenei...ika-tou-maiami/
I'm not sure I should add this to the first post. In the article it is clearly said that she feels as Greek as anyone, and keeps all the customs and such, but still. Dina Manfredini moved to the US when she was twenty and she is still not considered Italian for GRG's purposes. Thoughts?


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Found a deceased 115 year old claim. Passed away just three months ago.
http://www.madata.gr/epikairotita/social/85187.html
Born either in 1894 or 1895.

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117 year old claim!
Zacharoula Fountea
http://kopanakinews.wordpress.com/2010/05/...85%CF%80%CE%B5/

Apparently she hasn't been living in Greece for all that time. She speaks about her friendship with Richard Nixon!
Needless to say, in my opinion she's probably 30 years younger than the claimed age.
Posted in May of last year, so supposedly born either 1892 or 1893.

She was reported as 115 years old on July 1st, 2009. So here's one inconsistency.
http://panta.pblogs.gr/2009/06/h-soyper-gi...n-kalamata.html

onewarmslime - March 10, 2011 05:57 PM (GMT)
To avoid a huge post:

Vasiliki Lampidou's date of birth cannot be specified any further. Quote from her grand daughter (she replied to me on the facebook page devoted to Mrs. Lampidou):
"... Unfortunately we're not aware of the date. What we do know is that all the documents that existed when the Bulgarians that burned down the church and the entire community came into the area were also burnt and were nowhere to be found".

I think this lady is genuinely a centenarian. She could have been born in 1904 (remember, it appears that someone has actually verified this), or maybe a few years later. She has a 51 year old grand daughter that makes her case even more plausible.

Some updates:

I learnt that Ms. Zacharoula Fountea (claims 117) is alive and lives in the village Kardamili.

The relatives claim that, because she immigrated to America, there is a passport that can prove that she was born in the late 19th century. A person that visited her last year (that has been very obliging) is planning on visiting her again and I'll hopefully have enough info to post her case in the WOP very soon.

I'm trying to get confirmation that Samlidis is alive as well as a more accurate birth date.

I may also have found a way to get centenarian/ SC data directly from the state. It may have to wait a bit though.

ΕDIT: Evripidis Samlidis passed away around two years ago.

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Here are some "famous" cases from the Greek wikipedia and other sources.

Kostas Vikelidis was born in Salonica, Greece in 1905. Exact date of birth pending specification, and status.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CF%8E%...%B4%CE%B7%CF%82

Robertos Mallios was born in Turkey in 1905, by Serbian parents, but moved to Greece at a young age to play football professionally. He became a Greek citizen and has played for the Greek National Soccer team multiple times.
http://www.eu-football.info/_player.php?id=12849
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%AC%...%B9%CF%84%CF%82

Ivoni Vladimirou was born some day in 1903. I can't find a death date so I assume she's alive as well.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A5%CE%B2%...%81%CE%BF%CF%85
http://lefobserver.blogspot.com/2009/11/blog-post_211.html

Τasis Kazazis was born in 1903 and was an important figure of the 20th century, having served as mayor, maybe more than once.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%AC%...%B6%CE%B7%CF%82
http://www.pirgiotis.gr/index.php?option=c...d=44&Itemid=194


Michael Kounelakis (b. 1901) was a greek director, theater critic and writer.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:...5qpuhO30g&pli=1
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%B9%...%BA%CE%B7%CF%82
Can't find a death date.
Can be considered dead.

Nikos Angelakis (b. 1906) was a greek footballer.
http://www.hellenica.de/Griechenland/Sport...sAngelakis.html
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9D%CE%AF%...%BA%CE%B7%CF%82
http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/index.ph...topic=235057251


Need more info.
I think most of these people are not alive.

NickOrnstein - March 13, 2011 06:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 10 2011, 12:57 PM)
To avoid a huge post:

Vasiliki Lampidou's date of birth cannot be specified any further. Quote from her grand daughter (she replied to me on the facebook page devoted to Mrs. Lampidou):
"... Unfortunately we're not aware of the date. What we do know is that all the documents that existed when the Bulgarians that burned down the church and the entire community came into the area were also burnt and were nowhere to be found".

I think this lady is genuinely a centenarian. She could have been born in 1904 (remember, it appears that someone has actually verified this), or maybe a few years later. She has a 51 year old grand daughter that makes her case even more plausible.

Some updates:

I learnt that Ms. Zacharoula Fountea (claims 117) is alive and lives in the village Kardamili.

The relatives claim that, because she immigrated to America, there is a passport that can prove that she was born in the late 19th century. A person that visited her last year (that has been very obliging) is planning on visiting her again and I'll hopefully have enough info to post her case in the WOP very soon.

I'm trying to get confirmation that Samlidis is alive as well as a more accurate birth date.

I may also have found a way to get centenarian/ SC data directly from the state. It may have to wait a bit though.

ΕDIT: Evripidis Samlidis passed away around two years ago.

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Here are some "famous" cases from the Greek wikipedia and other sources.

Kostas Vikelidis was born in Salonica, Greece in 1905. Exact date of birth pending specification, and status.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CF%8E%...%B4%CE%B7%CF%82

Robertos Mallios was born in Turkey in 1905, by Serbian parents, but moved to Greece at a young age to play football professionally. He became a Greek citizen and has played for the Greek National Soccer team multiple times.
http://www.eu-football.info/_player.php?id=12849
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%AC%...%B9%CF%84%CF%82

Ivoni Vladimirou was born some day in 1903. I can't find a death date so I assume she's alive as well.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A5%CE%B2%...%81%CE%BF%CF%85
http://lefobserver.blogspot.com/2009/11/blog-post_211.html

Τasis Kazazis was born in 1903 and was an important figure of the 20th century, having served as mayor, maybe more than once.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A4%CE%AC%...%B6%CE%B7%CF%82
http://www.pirgiotis.gr/index.php?option=c...d=44&Itemid=194

Michael Kounelakis (b. 1901) was a greek director, theater critic and writer.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:...5qpuhO30g&pli=1
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C%CE%B9%...%BA%CE%B7%CF%82
Can't find a death date.

Nikos Angelakis (b. 1906) was a greek footballer.
http://www.hellenica.de/Griechenland/Sport...sAngelakis.html
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9D%CE%AF%...%BA%CE%B7%CF%82
http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/index.ph...topic=235057251


Need more info.
I think most of these people are not alive.

Great work with the effort. I am afraid none of these citizens of Greece are living. The articles do not state death dates. If one of the categories at the bottom of an article said "centenarian", then they would be living.

Like I said, you are doing a great job finding the other cases.

onewarmslime - March 13, 2011 07:29 PM (GMT)
Ιndeed, totally agreed. I think these are probably long gone (except one case, for which I have confirmation in late 2009).

I just thought it would be a good idea to deal with the cases that aren't marked as deceased in wikipedia (nor in any other source, I checked and no death date is to be found for any of these) because
- it's easy
- it'd be easy to verify whether they're alive or dead because they're kind of known
- I can't do much else during for forthcoming week. However, I hope that on the one after it I'll make some real progress.

onewarmslime - March 28, 2011 09:43 AM (GMT)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws. So yeah. I don't think I have any way of getting info except the very scarce media reports.

Ι asked a municipality that contains about 2% of the country's population and although they didn't give me more specific evidence, they told me over 1300 people supposedly were born in 1906 or before.

Ι will also be adding some Greek tags on the bottom of the post and en email in case anyone from Greece finds this and knows anything. It'a a long shot but at this point I think it's worth one, and I can't do much else either.

NickOrnstein - March 28, 2011 10:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 04:43 AM)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws. So yeah. I don't think I have any way of getting info except the very scarce media reports.

Ι asked a municipality that contains about 20% of the country's population and although they didn't give me more specific evidence, they told me over 1300 people supposedly were born in 1906 or before.

Ι will also be adding some Greek tags on the bottom of the post and en email in case anyone from Greece finds this and knows anything. It'a a long shot but at this point I think it's worth one, and I can't do much else either.

We appreciate your hard efforts. Great job on obtaining that information. Possibly we can compare that number to that of some other countries.

makila - March 28, 2011 05:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 04:43 AM)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws.

In most countries, it is impossible to get city or state records except certificates (birth, marriage, death, living ..)

To be able to request (private) certificates you probably need to write a letter to the local District Court for every person you want the certificate(s) from. In am not sure about Greece, but in a lot of countries, the judges of these courts can give permission to request certificates of people. But of course you need to understand Greece and write letters in Greece to do this.

Of course certificates older than 100 years old, are probably accessible or you can look documents up in old city and church archives. But again, you need to be able to understand Greece.

onewarmslime - March 28, 2011 05:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (makila @ Mar 29 2011, 12:44 AM)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 04:43 AM)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws.

In most countries, it is impossible to get city or state records except certificates (birth, marriage, death, living ..)

To be able to request (private) certificates you probably need to write a letter to the local District Court for every person you want the certificate(s) from. In am not sure about Greece, but in a lot of countries, the judges of these courts can give permission to request certificates of people. But of course you need to understand Greece and write letters in Greece to do this.

Of course certificates older than 100 years old, are probably accessible or you can look documents up in old city and church archives. But again, you need to be able to understand Greece.

I was aware that in most countries you can't just request that information and have it given to you, however one thing someone working for the city said gave me hope, which turned out to be false, unfortunately.

Hey, I live in Greece and obviously I speak Greek, so that ain't a problem. I just need to find cases that I'm sure do exist. Media reports are really rare (I believe what there is, on the internet at least is already in the first post). I can't think of a way unfortunately. I added my email in the first post and asked anyone that knows anything to contact me.

Well, we have a 109 year old man, or so it seems. That's something. A 118 year old claim too, but that's rather stretched.

makila - March 28, 2011 06:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 12:55 PM)
Hey, I live in Greece and obviously I speak Greek, so that ain't a problem. I just need to find cases that I'm sure do exist. Media reports are really rare (I believe what there is, on the internet at least is already in the first post). I can't think of a way unfortunately.

Well, we have a 109 year old man, or so it seems. That's something.

Yes of course .. you first need to know where people were born, where they were married and where they are currently living. If you already dont have that key information, it will be very difficult.

- I dont know about the rules in Greece, but in Belgium there is this 100+ year rule. This means if you request the birth certificate of someone who is 109 years old, the townhall is obligated to give it to you because the case is older than 100 years. Privacy rules only apply here on documents older than 100 years.
- For the marriage certificate I simply write a letter to the local District Court, wait on average a month and recieve permission to request it.
- And for the certificate of Living, .. , they most often dont do too difficult to send it. ;)

Of course not all cases are as easy as what I describe here. Sometimes birth certificate are 'lost', sometimes marriage certificates dont exist, sometimes the court gives NO permission and so on .. but .. hopefully the rules I am telling you here, apply to Greece as well and perhaps they can be of use?

sibo - April 4, 2011 04:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 04:43 AM)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws. So yeah. I don't think I have any way of getting info except the very scarce media reports.

I asked a municipality that contains about 20% of the country's population and although they didn't give me more specific evidence, they told me over 1300 people supposedly were born in 1906 or before.

É will also be adding some Greek tags on the bottom of the post and en email in case anyone from Greece finds this and knows anything. It'a a long shot but at this point I think it's worth one, and I can't do much else either.

1300 people born before 1906 in 20% of the country? if those figures are the same for everywhere in Greece, there will be around 6500 people of 105 years and older in Greece.

I can't believe that is true. Compared with The Netherlands, Greece would have 6400 people more of 105 years in there country than here. We have then 'only' 85 people of 105 years old and older.

I think with those figures Greece has even more 105-year-old people than the UK and USA.

onewarmslime - April 4, 2011 04:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sibo @ Apr 4 2011, 11:10 PM)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 28 2011, 04:43 AM)
Just want to pop up to say that unfortunately I just learnt that I can get no data from the state or city records because of privacy laws. So yeah. I don't think I have any way of getting info except the very scarce media reports.

I asked a municipality that contains about 20% of the country's population and although they didn't give me more specific evidence, they told me over 1300 people supposedly were born in 1906 or before.

É will also be adding some Greek tags on the bottom of the post and en email in case anyone from Greece finds this and knows anything. It'a a long shot but at this point I think it's worth one, and I can't do much else either.

1300 people born before 1906 in 20% of the country? if those figures are the same for everywhere in Greece, there will be around 6500 people of 105 years and older in Greece.

I can't believe that is true. Compared with The Netherlands, Greece would have 6400 people more of 105 years in there country than here. We have then 'only' 85 people of 105 years old and older.

I think with those figures Greece has even more 105-year-old people than the UK and USA.

Οh my, I meant 2%. They have approximately 180000 residents out of >10 million. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Of course that makes it even more incredible.

I realized that there's no way this isn't inflated. However, the exact response I got was (translated):


"After a check we performed in our records we let you know that the citizens that are "apparently" in life and are born up until 1906 are 1377.
It's possible that some of them have either passed away or are registered on another municipality we're not aware of."

So we can question how up-to-date and even valid these stats are. Maybe completely disregard them even.

A census is taking place during this period. In the 2001 census, there were about 1500 centenarians. I'll know soon enough what it's like now in a few months.


I've been trying to get anonymous info about the pensioners of Greece too. Hope that works.

onewarmslime - April 15, 2011 03:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
I've been trying to get anonymous info about the pensioners of Greece too. Hope that works.


It did!!

These were last updated on December 2010. Note that this is not complete, I hope to have all data for Greece until June.

1901: 3
Males: 1
Females: 2

1902: 16
Males: 1
Females: 15

1903: 8
Males: 3
Females : 5

1904: 13
Males: 4
Females : 9

1905: 11
Males: 0
Females: 11

1906: 20
Males: 8
Females: 12

1907: 48
Males: 9
Females: 39


Obviously, due to the nature of the source of this data, we have to accept that there is a chance some of them are diseased. However, Greece did clear out a lot of fraudulent cases last year, so there are less chances of that happening. And obviously, not all centenarians/ supercentenarians may be receiving a state pension.

I haven't been able to identify anyone born in 1903 or earlier.

NickOrnstein - April 15, 2011 11:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Apr 15 2011, 10:17 AM)
QUOTE
I've been trying to get anonymous info about the pensioners of Greece too. Hope that works.


It did!!

These were last updated on December 2010. Note that this is not complete, I hope to have all data for Greece until June.

1901: 3
Males: 1
Females: 2

1902: 16
Males: 1
Females: 15

1903: 8
Males: 3
Females : 5

1904: 13
Males: 4
Females : 9

1905: 11
Males: 0
Females: 11

1906: 20
Males: 8
Females: 12

1907: 48
Males: 9
Females: 39


Obviously, due to the nature of the source of this data, we have to accept that there is a chance some of them are diseased. However, Greece did clear out a lot of fraudulent cases last year, so there are less chances of that happening. And obviously, not all centenarians/ supercentenarians may be receiving a state pension.

I haven't been able to identify anyone born in 1903 or earlier.

Fanstastic job!!!! Way to go!

How did you get that info?

makila - April 16, 2011 05:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Apr 15 2011, 10:17 AM)

1901: 3
Males: 1
Females: 2

Well these digits look very realistic compared to previous data about extremely exaggerated cases (from Greece). If this data is correct, there are barely, IF any, people from Greece who are truly over 110+ years old. The oldest person may be just 109+.

onewarmslime - April 16, 2011 08:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Fanstastic job!!!! Way to go!

How did you get that info?


Thanks, I contacted one of the state organisations that hand out pensions. They were very nice and helpful. There are two or three more, but these are smaller and deal with way less people (there will probably be a few more cases though, I'll know near the summer). Greece also cleared out tons of fake cases last summer, like I said, so that data is even more accurate.

QUOTE
Well these digits look very realistic compared to previous data about extremely exaggerated cases (from Greece). If this data is correct, there are barely, IF any, people from Greece who are truly over 110+ years old. The oldest person may be just 109+.


Yes, it does. I hope we will have three people being 110 by the end of the year. I understand that the chances of that are quite low (considering one of them is male and the data is four months old) but why not!

Of course, I also hope we can identify some of the older ones.

NickOrnstein - April 16, 2011 06:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Apr 16 2011, 03:48 AM)
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Fanstastic job!!!! Way to go!

How did you get that info?


Thanks, I contacted one of the state organisations that hand out pensions.

What was the name of the organization. Was there a title name for the pension? This way it can be sourced at "List of oldest living people by nation." This way, more people will become more curious and know the truth behind Greece.

onewarmslime - April 16, 2011 07:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Apr 17 2011, 01:08 AM)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Apr 16 2011, 03:48 AM)
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Fanstastic job!!!! Way to go!

How did you get that info?


Thanks, I contacted one of the state organisations that hand out pensions.

What was the name of the organization. Was there a title name for the pension? This way it can be sourced at "List of oldest living people by nation." This way, more people will become more curious and know the truth behind Greece.

Τhat's a good idea! It's called ΙΚΑ - these initials are almost always used, and they mean something like "Social Services Foundation" (greek: Ίδρυμα Κοινωνικών Ασφαλίσεων) .
Here's their webpage
http://www.ika.gr/gr/home.cfm
Here's the "contact page", which I used to contact them.
http://www.ika.gr/gr/infopages/contact/home.cfm

onewarmslime - May 27, 2011 12:35 PM (GMT)
I found a 1900 case (was 110 in end 2010). If he's alive (that's right, HE!) then he's the oldest Greek citizen, might be even older than Mersene Zohos. I'm almost done collecting my data, will post in the WOP soon. The other ones I found are younger than 107, so as I expected there weren't many more cases than the ones I originally found.

Again I note that the government cleared out the fraudulent cases off the lists a year ago. So at least, this is roughly accurate. Although the 1902 numbers seem unrealistically high (outnumbering several later years). Obviously, we can expect some inflation (I think there are about 120 103+ cases, out of 10 million people), but it's a start.

EDIT: I take the "some inflation" comment back... these lists are SPOT ON accurate. Maybe they miss a case or two, but if a person is there, he exists.

NickOrnstein - June 5, 2011 02:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 9 2011, 09:18 AM)
Kristallia Oikonomaki
She is briefly mentioned in this article which can't be over 2 years old.
http://www.e-istoria.com/270.html
Judging by the content I'd say she must have been born on 1900 or earlier. Is unlikely to be alive.

I don't see anything on the internet about her age nor year of birth. How do you know that she is/was a centenarian?

onewarmslime - June 5, 2011 09:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jun 5 2011, 09:59 AM)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Mar 9 2011, 09:18 AM)
Kristallia Oikonomaki
She is briefly mentioned in this article which can't be over 2 years old.
http://www.e-istoria.com/270.html
Judging by the content I'd say she must have been born on 1900 or earlier. Is unlikely to be alive.

I don't see anything on the internet about her age nor year of birth. How do you know that she is/was a centenarian?

I can tell by the content of the article, but it's very dubious and I'm removing it, since it could be decades old. Thanks for the iput.

Well, here's another case, I was planning on holding it off but since I post here...

Anastasia Gratsianou, born in 1901.

http://www.laikoyra.gr/?p=25683

user posted image

Now, the image could be just about anyone and appears to be several decades old. The article was posted the day before yesterday. No birth date is mentioned. I've contacted the newspaper that originally published the article in case they know and I hope for a response next week, but someone else told me in response that "the papers didn't show an exact birth date at that time"... Normally I'd have doubts about her age, especially if the exact date isn't known, but the fact that she was apparently married in 1918 is disarming. It may be possible to validate her age, even without an exact date... her maiden name is also mentioned.

NickOrnstein - June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (GMT)
I found a woman who recently passed away in the United States aged 107 who has a Greek name, judging from the other 2 Greek cases who were validated in the past.

*Anastasia (Cirpa) Mantopoulos, died June 3. http://grafton.patch.com/articles/5-things...-at-selectmen-3

onewarmslime - June 14, 2011 08:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jun 14 2011, 01:30 AM)
I found a woman who recently passed away in the United States aged 107 who has a Greek name, judging from the other 2 Greek cases who were validated in the past.

*Anastasia (Cirpa) Mantopoulos, died June 3. http://grafton.patch.com/articles/5-things...-at-selectmen-3

Yes that's certainly Greek, good catch.

onewarmslime - July 7, 2011 02:57 PM (GMT)
Zacharoula Fountea, claims 118, most likely debunked:

user posted image [school register]

At number 44 is Ζαχαρούλα Κουλουμπέα (our claimant, listed with her maiden name of course), listed at age 6 and the document's date is 1911. So she was born in 1905 or 1904 (most likely the former). Still she holds up fine though, I didn't expect her to be a centenarian. Ι won't post on the WOP until I confirm this is her maiden name but it should be considered certain this document is referring to her.

onewarmslime - July 7, 2011 09:37 PM (GMT)
Update: I had indirect contact with the family, and first of all they confirmed her maiden name, and also, they've apparently retracted the "118": I was told that, according to her mother and herself, she was born in 1896 or 1897. Yet, noone seems to know exactly... even if she was born in 1896 or 1897 (it does seem very unlikely, but I'll give you that claiming 114 is one thing and claiming 118 is another), my opinion is that it'll be impossible to prove. I was told that at these villages and this time period, there was a rule, according to which girls were declared several year older for marriages. Of course 8 years of exaggeration are probably too many... at any rate, I doubt any documents can ever be found to support that, and the family don't appear to think that either.
She was a nun in a monastery and I might try to find relative records, but even if they exist I don't think they will give any lead. We already have one document AGAINST the case. And her family doesn't exactly support the case... she has an 83 year old son but that doesn't mean much.

At first I thought she was a complete fraud, but turns out she is at least 105. What I can do is find documentation for her latest birth date (1905). Damage control!

Oh and should I remove her from the incomplete claimants list on wikipedia? I mean that document is pretty damning in the context of scientific method, although she still claims an earlier birthdate.

NickOrnstein - July 7, 2011 11:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onewarmslime @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Oh and should I remove her from the incomplete claimants list on wikipedia? I mean that document is pretty damning in the context of scientific method, although she still claims an earlier birthdate.

Yes. I'll add her to the disputed list.

NickOrnstein - July 19, 2011 12:19 AM (GMT)
Eleni Tanousi Kamilari, one of the oldest Cyprus residents, died May 24, 2011 at the age of 108. http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/05/25...-108-years-old/

onewarmslime - July 19, 2011 07:11 AM (GMT)
Thanks, I wonder how you find these. Actually I got this confused with Marina Michael (the one that died on 1903 and Chris had written "1803"), so I'd completely ignored this.

NickOrnstein - July 22, 2011 01:12 AM (GMT)
Filio Haidemenou died at the age of 108 in Athens. She had been born in the Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) in 1899. The article is dated June 7, 2007. http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/conten...8&article=20842

onewarmslime - July 23, 2011 08:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jul 22 2011, 08:12 AM)
Filio Haidemenou died at the age of 108 in Athens. She had been born in the Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) in 1899. The article is dated June 7, 2007. http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/conten...8&article=20842

I wonder how you find these!

NickOrnstein - July 27, 2011 03:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jul 18 2011, 07:19 PM)
Eleni Tanousi Kamilari, one of the oldest Cyprus residents, died May 24, 2011 at the age of 108. http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/05/25...-108-years-old/

onewarmslime - July 27, 2011 06:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jul 27 2011, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (NickOrnstein @ Jul 18 2011, 07:19 PM)
Eleni Tanousi Kamilari, one of the oldest Cyprus residents, died May 24, 2011 at the age of 108. http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/05/25...-108-years-old/

Thanks again. I may have to take up Cyprus seriously pretty soon actually.

NickOrnstein - August 29, 2011 11:19 PM (GMT)
This may or may not be an update on a woman born in 1901/1902 living in Greece. The blog entry appears to be a translation from a different language.

"Greece elderly people longevity, this year has been 109 years old, but still live a perfectly healthy, comfortable in the self." http://litere.08420.com/experience-life.html

Slime, I would not count this as a reliable source. Maybe you can contact the person of the post. Who knows, another 109-year-old may be identified.

onewarmslime - August 30, 2011 08:44 AM (GMT)
Yes, it's almost certainly a translation of another article in another language. I'll try to locate the original/ leave a comment. Thanks.

trepka - August 30, 2011 09:20 PM (GMT)
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Evangelia Èarasová (or just Èara originaly), born 15. 2. 1904, Prozvoro, Greece as Evangelia Pjacka


http://www.studio-sta.cz/products/pani-eva...eske-republiky/
&
http://www.osoblazsko.cz/encyklopedie/obje...phtml?id=129404

NickOrnstein - September 3, 2011 09:58 PM (GMT)
*Eleni Pouroukoundou (female) of Cyprus (1837/1837-July 1953) aged 116 years. http://www.mediafire.com/file/cvee2fzfo1wh...upercentenarian Histori
cal Claims.xls

*Horoz Ali (male) of Turkey (1767/1768-1878) aged 120 years. According to Ripley's Believe It or Not!, "Horoz Ali the last Turkish gatekeeper of Nicosia, Cyprus, lived to the age of 120."




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