P M E, Who's going for it?

RMEs, are you going for your PME license soon?

Maybe we can discuss about the necessary preparations...

This post has been edited by BobT on Jan 27 2006, 09:51 AM

not me...

basi BSN guro..hehehe

Next one, please... :D

This post has been edited by BobT on Jan 27 2006, 09:53 AM

ano requirements & qualification?

daw wla na gd time mg study, tamad na eh...cguro sa mga gusto mg teach.

care giver na lng ko.hehe

hmm... just wondering kung better mag PME or just take Masters Degree (like Engineering Management) or mag MBA... most industries prefer individuals with Masters or MBA during hiring...

You have the right idea...

In the academe now, the professor would need to be a PME or have a Masters in Mechanical Engineering to teach professional (others call it major) subjects in Mechanical Engineering.

In the industry, the ME Law requires PMEs to tend plants that generate and/or consume (through machines and equipment) a specific amount of energy. RMEs are required, too, but for lesser energy-using installations. If you say "but the law is never implemented", I say not yet. At the moment, the number of PMEs is still short compared to the projected requirement of industry, but the number of available PMEs is slowly catching up. Would you like the law to catch up on you?

On PME or Masters, this would depend on what career path you would like to take-up. If you would want to tread the Professional/Technical path, the PME (in Operations or Maintenance maybe) or Masters in Mechanical Engineering (Designs and Research) is for you. If you would want to go for the Admin or Business path, the MBA is more apt. Take note that the example also presents that PMEs and MME/MSMEs can also manage the business, but the MBAs cannot go far in the Professional/Technical path.

One more thing, PMEs get to sign Mechanical Engineering plans, RMEs and Masters don't.

This post has been edited by BobT on Jan 30 2006, 07:59 PM

I was taking up Masters in Management (Engineering Management) at San Juan de Letran in Los Banos but did only two terms kay natak-an ko sang puro research kag reporting, then an opportunity came up here, ti wala ko na gid napadayon eh...

Well, you did not stop because of puro research kag reporting, but because of a better opportunity that came knocking.

If you can (though I suppose it is unlikely for US business schools to give credits for subjects you had at the Letran-LB), it would be nice if you can complete your Masters.

Having a Masters is not a necessity, but it certainly is a BIG edge.

This post has been edited by BobT on Jan 30 2006, 04:52 PM

Thanks for the thought, pero I think daw indi gid na pag-i-credit diri. Besides, nag lapse na ang period for me to get any transcript / records from the school.

Indeed it is. Pero masyado kamahal mag masters diri mig. *no
I guess you know that already.

That is a fact even here in the Philippines. Rated business schools charge high rates.

Some companies, though, share in the matriculation, plus books, etc. of their employees, who would want to pursue post-graduate degrees. Wala sang amo sini nga mga companies dira, migs?

This post has been edited by BobT on Jan 30 2006, 08:08 PM

Almost same reply, migs... Ask Paqui Duenas and Art Tuvida, both of them are PMEs. :)

Seriously, migs, I'll check the PSME or the PRC website for any updated requirement on this.

Some that I can still recall are:

1. RME, plus
2. 4 years minimum of related/relevant Mechanical Engineering experience
3. Affidavit/Certificate of Competency signed by a PME
4. Certificate of Experience
5. List of machineries and equipment handled or responsible of

As of now, the Candidate needs to undergo through two (2) panel interviews. The first is more on establishing the Candidates qualifications and determining if he will be capable of producing the required Mechanical Engineering paper. The second is more like the defense, which would examine the Candidates competence on (or mastery of) his paper. Some wise guys who have their papers made by somebody else are usually caught in the 2nd interview, so make sure you make your own paper.

There might be some changes to this method in the near future, as there is a proposal that the PME Candidate should first pass a written exam before the interviews. As the exams are devised to be a screen for those who would want to become PMEs, expect this to be tougher than that given to the RME hopefuls.

Hope this does not discourage you, all these are not hindrances, but are obstacles meant to be hurdled.

wala lang ko kabalo mig sa iban, pero diri sa amon daw indi gid kay although it's a big company, it's also a family owned and operated business, budlay mag pa-approve sa sini nga expenses... :(

As BobT says about this M.E. Law :
R.A. 8495 The Practice of Mechanical Engineering Profession in the Philippines
Article IV
Section 33
paragraph
(b)to teach professional subjects in mechanical engineering course unless he is a duly licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer, or a Master's degree, or Doctorate degree holder in mechanical engineering.

Approved: Feb. 12, 1998.

This law protects the practice of Mechanical Engineering in our beloved country the Philippines!
It is only in a piece of paper is good the answer is yes! But the problem is in our country we are not protected by this so called ME Law because it is not properly implemented.I know sevaral situaions, for example a person desiganted as Facilities Manager incharge of operation of plant equipments such as A/C systems Pumps, Compressors, Chillers ,Water Systems and Generators but not a Mechanical Engineer.
It requires a CPM to tend a plant with a capacity below 300 kW and Registered M.E. for a plant above 300 kW but not above 2000k W and a PME for a plant of capacity above 2000 kW. The above situation is a clear violation of the Practice of ME law.
Who cares if this plant with machineries equipments operate without the supersvision of RME or PME? the city government?Nah!the politicians? Nah!Nobody cares about the implementation of this so called ME law!Only in the Philippines!

To teach professional (Major) mechanical engineering subjects courses unless he is a duly license Professional Engineer,Masters degree or Doctorate in Mechanical Engineering.

I look up PME gus rather than those with Masters and Doctorate. I would like to express my opinion about this (you can agree or dis-agree if you like )

Anybody can have his/her Masters Degree in ME with out passing the ME board Exam or not a licensed ME because it is not a requirement to take MSME.
Basically,the requirement for Doctorate Degree is if you have finished your Masters degree.By any chance you can be a Doctor in Mechanical engineering without passing the board exam!

Why I say these things? I intend to enroll in MSME in TUP-Manila and the requirements are:
1. Letter of Recommenadation from Superivisor or Company
2.Pass the entrance Exam for Graduate students
3. BS degree Transcript of Records with GPA not less than 7/10 or 2.0
4. Minimum working experience 2 years.
Licensed ME (not required at all)

I say intend because after passing all the requirements , I took this job offer (opportuniy to work abroad) to perform or the work of a Mechanical Engineer without even a single MSME subject taken and not a PME but a proud ME from TUP-V.

We have graduated BSME from TUP-V few years back (say more than 10 years ago) but non of our professors in Major ME is a PME or those teaching Steam power and power plant engineering design, machine design and industrial plant design are not PME nor having MSME , but produce Good Engineers and Board Topnotchers.

Even now in our beloved Alma Matter there are few people who have their PME Certifale/License.

To BobT:if you are in Philippines now you can ask for guidance to the following ME guys about taking a PME license.I know recently they passed the PME Board Exam with flying colors.

1. Eng. Eduardo Rufin, PME
2. Eng. Joel Sumugat ,PME-Outstanding award in inovation/invention

GOD BLESS you all guys!

ano inbento ni j sumugat haw?

baskog sumugat ah!!!

basi caliper mig!!

hehehhe...

sa iya ko na una nakabalo gamit caliper eh!!!

hehehehe..

pati ah..

btw, ano gid naimbento ni sir sumugat haw?

bag-o lang ko ni kabalo nga impormasyon eh...

This problem will remain a problem if most MEs look at the problem the way as you presented it here. The biggest issue on the implementation is that most MEs don't even care about protecting themselves by being within the law. Most choose to be just observers but not participants to a law that was meant, if every ME just cooperate with it, to uplift the profession itself.

This same situation was presented/asked to the Board of Mechanical Engineering and the PSME National during a past convention by the PSME-NO sa L'Fisher (the then Chairperson Evangelista was in attendance, and Eng. Rufin was an officer). This was asked by a Mechanical Engineer from Victorias. You obviously weren't there or you missed to hear the answer...

Mechanical Engineers may become Managers, but Managers may not necessarily be Mechanical Engineers. If the plant you mentioned did not have Mechanical Engineers under the Facilities Manager's responsibility, then there is a violation of the Law. If the Manager you mentioned here manages Mechanical Engineers who are the tenders to the equipments, then wala problema sa technicality. Get the gist?

I acknowledge this fact, schoolmate, but the times are changing, the PME or the MS requirement is meant to upgrade the way ME is taught. This means professional subjects have the higher guarantee to be taught effectively by persons who have earned their "edge". As a situational example, this also means that in other "trying hard" institutions, the professional subjects will not be taught by persons who may not even be Mechanical Engineers, ina bala ang ila itudlo, basi sala haw.

Thanks, Yoshiyahu, but I had my PME in early 2000, ahead of my former trainors, whom I regard so highly even now. Engs. Rufin, Sumugat and Bandejas know me well (I hope) that you may ask them about me and who I am sa experience nila sa pagkuha sang PME. Tikal o butig? Neither, am just one proud TUP-Vian.

Peace sa tanan ah...

yah BobT, I wasnt there during this annual PSME convention and besides im not an active member PSME.Youre right there many of our fellow engineers are just mere observers (that includes me).Good if they answer that question but answering the question is not the same as implementing the law.
Engineers may become managers but managers be not be necessarily engineers youre right! I mean Facilities Engineer not Manager and he dont have any M.E. or E.E. under his supervision but only technicians even technicians in facilities should be a CPM or at least Master Electrician as per required by the law.

I dont know what invention/research or inovation he contributed in PSME.I heard from a source it is about computer software (im not sure about this info) Please check this out.

Year 2002 Awardees


PRC AWARDEE: Most Outstanding Mechanical Engineer of the Year

Gerardo C. Hernandez (Posthumous) - Manila (Host) Chapter
PSME Past National President

PSME AWARDEES:

Fellow Awards

Gerardo T. Cabreros - Quezon City Chapter
Tito C. Fuentes - Davao Chapter
Gaudencio R. de Guzman - Manila (Host) Chapter
Aurelio V. Mones - Hotel Engineers Chapter
Vicente T. Tumimbang - Negros Occidental Chapter
Julius F. Villanueva - Quezon City Chapter
The Most Outstanding Mechanical Engineers (TOME) Awards

Education: Christopher G. Taclobos - Negros Occidental Chapter
Entrepreneurship: Eladio L. Sta. Maria - Makati Chapter
Community Service: Alfredo G. Bongcawil - Davao Chapter
Management: Marcelo J. Capalungan, Jr. - Hotel Engineers Chapter
Manufacturing: Edgar A. Hechanova - Negros Occidental Chapter
Consultancy: Ramon D. Aguilos - Makati Chapter
Research, Innovation and Invention: Joel B. Sumugat - Negros Occidental Chapter
Environmental Engineering: Napoleon M. Cepriaso - WRSA - Jeddah Chapter
Accomplishment and Service Awards

By the way, Yoshiyahu, I like how you abbreviate the word "engineer" - just the way Madam Rhoda Perez had taught/explained to us how it should be done. :thumb:

Actually ,I am planning to take PME and Im pretty sure BobT you are the right person to consult. I know that most of our former trainors know you (and most of us) so well .

Thanks Guys.

Abbrevation Eng. for Engineer I think is the Old English/British way .But dont mistake to do it twice or it will soun like Eng-Eng, just kiddin'

Peace guys

The event I mentioned was not an annual convention, it was a general membership assembly and oath-taking of officers of the PSME-Negros Occidental Chapter. The PSME-NO is an envy to many of the other Chapters. It has lots of members, unlike the other Chapters who seem to be in drought when it comes to membership. The structure of the NO is in itself unique. It has units representing so many industrial companies province-wide, thus promoting a nice one/unified organization. Its "voice" is thus more stronger... more audible... so it attracts attention. Would you not like to be part of this "voice"? Or would you rather still remain an observer?

I read this as a violation. Now, what's next? As in any legal issues, there should be someone who will accuse somebody before there is a case, only then can the policing (or apprehension) come in. How would the authorities know that the plant is violating the Law? Do you know the procedure for reporting the offense committed? Do you know to whom this should be reported? Well, any ideas?


This topic is also good sa PSME thread.

Whatever... and this is the proper way. Check Webster!

(Engr. is abbreviation for engraver. You would not want to be addressed as an engraver after 5 or more years of BSME or BSECE education from TUP-V, right? hehehe)

Migs, it would be a pleasure if I can contribute in this goal of yours. Ask from or consult with as many PMEs as you can. The more experiences you will hear, the more confidence you will have that ikaw man can earn your PME. :thumb:

Just want to share this info about educational system here in abroad.

Most Part here in Mid. East they dont care if you are a License/Registered Engineer what they look after first is your work experience and second, your academic qulification. They are highly influenced by different educational system British or American but they dont have a regulating body for engineers only society of engineers. After graduating from thier universities they call them ENGINEERS without a board exam requirement.Of course they have different standard from us just like in any other country.
Licensing and certification for engineers varries in different countries say a license Engineer of Professional Engineer in US is the same as 'Chartered Engineer" in UK or Europe.
Just here I figure out that the Technical Education System (adopted by TUP) is a mixed of US and UK educational system.

Only in TUP we have B. Eng (Bachelor of Engineering) some dont recognized this because most people know about BS Degree (Bachelor of Science). But in UK and Europe B.Eng and BS Eng are both recognized degree of engineering along with ND (National Diploma):similar to 2 years Tech and HND (Higher National Diploma) similar with B.Eng . UK also have a lot of technical education governing bodies example City and Guilds , BTEC etc. which are similar to our TUP system.