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 P M E, Who's going for it?
solarmaster
Posted: Feb 7 2006, 08:24 PM


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QUOTE (The KG @ Feb 7 2006, 04:48 AM)
ano inbento ni j sumugat haw?

shave sa bigote made of titanium, no need to sharpen na, lifetime pg gamit not disposable..hehe..

ma serious ta KG ah, ME man ta bla kanami lng mg upgrade galing sg course nton. Just like sa mga review trainors sa merit like eng. dominese / dimagiba (not sure sa spelling ha) na the best mg explain/coach sa comp*tation and mga theory.

good job sa mga trainors ta ky eng. rufin and eng. sumugat..
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Posted: Feb 7 2006, 08:52 PM


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QUOTE (BobT @ Feb 7 2006, 05:57 PM)

The event I mentioned was not an annual convention, it was a general membership assembly and oath-taking of officers of the PSME-Negros Occidental Chapter. The PSME-NO is an envy to many of the other Chapters. It has lots of members, unlike the other Chapters who seem to be in drought when it comes to membership. The structure of the NO is in itself unique. It has units representing so many industrial companies province-wide, thus promoting a nice one/unified organization. Its "voice" is thus more stronger... more audible... so it attracts attention. Would you not like to be part of this "voice"? Or would you rather still remain an observer?



I read this as a violation. Now, what's next? As in any legal issues, there should be someone who will accuse somebody before there is a case, only then can the policing (or apprehension) come in. How would the authorities know that the plant is violating the Law? Do you know the procedure for reporting the offense committed? Do you know to whom this should be reported? Well, any ideas?


This topic is also good sa PSME thread.

Nah! I dont have idea about the procedure of sueing a company or individual violating this so called M.E. Law. I will try to research for it some other time may be.

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Posted: Feb 7 2006, 09:03 PM


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Nice discussing with you guys! We learn from each other

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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 12:10 PM


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Yoshiyahu, it seems to me like you are in the Mid-East. Tell you what, there is an active PSME organization dira. They are also well-funded that they are able to invite or bring the Board of Mechanical Engineering to go there for events, including the PME interviews in the past. It would be good if you can establish contact with them, who knows, they might be of help sa imo kag sa aton man nga mga kaeskwela dira.
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 12:29 PM


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QUOTE (YOSHIYAHU @ Feb 7 2006, 08:52 PM)
Nah! I dont have idea about the procedure of sueing a company or individual violating this so called M.E. Law. I will try to research for it some other time may be.

Sueing should be the last recourse.

As for even most of us MEs, there is widespread ignorance of the ME Law, most companies are, too, so mayo gid may benefit of the doubt anay.

The best actions would be to report this to the offended party. If you consider yourself to be a true-blue ME, then you are the offended party; the PSME, as the accredited professional organization for Mechanical Engineers may also stand for the offended party. Report to the local PSME Chapter the violation and then this matter will be referred to the Board of Mechanical Engineering at the PRC for the proper dispensation. You may also report directly to the BME but I would expect the BME to request the local chapter to make inquiries about the issue first.

Dispensation will come in the form of warnings and ultimately, legal cases against offending companies.

This post has been edited by BobT on Dec 12 2006, 02:44 PM
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Posted: Feb 12 2006, 06:06 PM


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QUOTE (BobT @ Feb 8 2006, 12:10 PM)
Yoshiyahu, it seems to me like you are in the Mid-East. Tell you what, there is an active PSME organization dira. They are also well-funded that they are able to invite or bring the Board of Mechanical Engineering to go there for events, including the PME interviews in the past. It would be good if you can establish contact with them, who knows, they might be of help sa imo kag sa aton man nga mga kaeskwela dira.


You sense it right! Im here in Mid East but quite far from PSME Saudi-Chapter. It needs some formalities to apply there for an Exam but lately I heard (read it from PSME site) that the PSME temporarilly suspend the administering of Board EXAM (even they give some board exam review but now this the concern of the member in saudi kay daw gin untat nila maybe because of financial problem im not sure about this).
Thanks for the advice migs.
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Posted: Feb 13 2006, 08:55 AM


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QUOTE (YOSHIYAHU @ Feb 12 2006, 06:06 PM)
You sense it right! Im here in Mid East but quite far from PSME Saudi-Chapter. It needs some formalities to apply there for an Exam but lately I heard (read it from PSME site) that the PSME temporarilly suspend the administering of Board EXAM (even they give some board exam review but now this the concern of the member in saudi kay daw gin untat nila maybe because of financial problem im not sure about this).
Thanks for the advice migs.

The issue is not about finances, though I will not explain here as the matter is a sensitive issue to the Board of Mechanical Engineering and the local PSME Chapters.

Pro just for you to get the boost, mingle with PMEs you may meet. Ask them questions...
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bos joel
Posted: Feb 24 2006, 03:09 PM


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I am interested in getting my PME but I haven't been an active member
of any PSME chapter since I was sworn in after passing the board exam.

I am currently trying to work-out a deal with a friend of mine to gain exposure
in the design of waste water treatment and toxic waste recovery systems.

I hope this pushes thru.. any advice BobT?
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BobT
Posted: Feb 27 2006, 10:53 AM


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QUOTE (bos joel @ Feb 24 2006, 03:09 PM)
I am interested in getting my PME but I haven't been an active member
of any PSME chapter since I was sworn in after passing the board exam.

I am currently trying to work-out a deal with a friend of mine to gain exposure
in the design of waste water treatment and toxic waste recovery systems.

I hope this pushes thru.. any advice BobT?

On the topic you would like to tackle, it should be something you are well versed at. If you think that you can expose yourself to the design of waste water treatment and toxic waste recovery systems in no time, then okay.

If I may ask, ano ang current job function mo haw? Basi pwede ka magdevelop sang topic mo from what you do right now. The advantage of this is para kon ano nga bulubaliskad sa imo sa interview, you will know what are the answers to the BME's questions.

Design is the common type of paper that you can present, but you can also propose topics in operation, maintenance, etc. The idea is, you need to present an improvement sa current state sang schemes ninyo. The improvement/s should be quantifiable in terms of monetary returns and/or efficiency improvements. There are also non-quantifiable justifications that you can use, like statutory requirements.

Field some more questions, manami gid nga mas specific, para masundan sang iban man nga interesado.
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Posted: Aug 6 2009, 12:07 PM


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QUOTE (BobT @ Feb 7 2006, 01:12 PM)

This problem will remain a problem if most MEs look at the problem the way as you presented it here. The biggest issue on the implementation is that most MEs don't even care about protecting themselves by being within the law. Most choose to be just observers but not participants to a law that was meant, if every ME just cooperate with it, to uplift the profession itself.



This same situation was presented/asked to the Board of Mechanical Engineering and the PSME National during a past convention by the PSME-NO sa L'Fisher (the then Chairperson Evangelista was in attendance, and Eng. Rufin was an officer). This was asked by a Mechanical Engineer from Victorias. You obviously weren't there or you missed to hear the answer...

Mechanical Engineers may become Managers, but Managers may not necessarily be Mechanical Engineers. If the plant you mentioned did not have Mechanical Engineers under the Facilities Manager's responsibility, then there is a violation of the Law. If the Manager you mentioned here manages Mechanical Engineers who are the tenders to the equipments, then wala problema sa technicality. Get the gist?

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We have graduated BSME from TUP-V few years back (say more than 10 years ago) but non of our professors in Major ME is a PME or those teaching Steam power and power plant engineering design, machine design and industrial plant design are not PME nor having MSME, but produce Good Engineers and Board Topnotchers.


I acknowledge this fact, schoolmate, but the times are changing, the PME or the MS requirement is meant to upgrade the way ME is taught. This means professional subjects have the higher guarantee to be taught effectively by persons who have earned their "edge". As a situational example, this also means that in other "trying hard" institutions, the professional subjects will not be taught by persons who may not even be Mechanical Engineers, ina bala ang ila itudlo, basi sala haw.

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To BobT: if you are in Philippines now you can ask for guidance from the following ME guys about taking a PME license. I know recently they passed the PME Board Exam with flying colors.

1. Eng. Eduardo Rufin, PME
2. Eng. Joel Sumugat, PME-Outstanding award in innovation/invention


Thanks, Yoshiyahu, but I had my PME in early 2000, ahead of my former trainors, whom I regard so highly even now. Engs. Rufin, Sumugat and Bandejas know me well (I hope) that you may ask them about me and who I am sa experience nila sa pagkuha sang PME. Tikal o butig? Neither, am just one proud TUP-Vian.

Peace sa tanan ah...

Good day fellow Mechanical Engineers,

Good News! I am glad that the chairman of the Board of Mechanical Engineering Board is implementing the need of a PME. As of now, the chairman has filed cases to companies and educational institution which does not have adequate PMEs. My salute to chairman for giving importance to the PMEs.

I have also heard that due to this action most companies are hiring PMEs which is in the retirable age due to lacking of PMEs with higher compensation. By now I'm planning to get my PME as it is being required by the company as implemented by the PRC.

I would also like to request the reconcillation of the PSME NOC with the PRC. As the society was formed to help us Mechanical Engineers, However right now, We the Mechanical Engineers in Negros have the hard time applying for the PME as the Chapter is not recognized by the PRC. PSME NOC Officials please do your duty for our Mechanical Community. Thanks!

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Posted: Sep 3 2009, 04:43 PM


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Good News! I am glad that the chairman of the Board of Mechanical Engineering Board is implementing the need of a PME. As of now, the chairman has filed cases to companies and educational institution which does not have adequate PMEs. My salute to chairman for giving importance to the PMEs.


now, this was what i meant when i said the law will eventually catch up...

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I have also heard that due to this action most companies are hiring PMEs which is in the retirable age due to lacking of PMEs with higher compensation. By now I'm planning to get my PME as it is being required by the company as implemented by the PRC.


and imagine nga kon PME ka na subong, the advantage is yours for this opportunity. hmmmm, pila mig pasweldo sa PME dira subong? puli ko da siguro ay? hehehe.


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I would also like to request the reconcillation of the PSME NOC with the PRC.  As the society was formed to help us Mechanical Engineers, However right now, We the Mechanical Engineers in Negros have the hard time applying for the PME as the Chapter is not recognized by the PRC. PSME NOC Officials please do your duty for our Mechanical Community.


migs, as I had been away from the PSME for awhile now, you may want to make me understand what you are trying to say here.

daw wala man sa namention sa pre-requisite in pursuing the PME ang PSME? i know the local PSME chapter can assist you in some ways, but i could not understand how it can become a stumbling block kon magkuha ka PME mo? is this related sa practice nga ginatipon ang aspirants and then ginainvite ang BME to go sa local PSME chapter so the cost to each aspirant is relatively lower? pwede mo mapaathag migs? if it is too sensitive to mention here, iPM lang ko ah.
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Posted: Sep 4 2009, 11:11 AM


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anyone got an idea on the details regarding the PDP of PSME/PRC right now?.. kindly post..
salamat
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Posted: Sep 4 2009, 11:13 AM


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QUOTE (BobT @ Sep 3 2009, 04:43 PM)

now, this was what i meant when i said the law will eventually catch up...



and imagine nga kon PME ka na subong, the advantage is yours for this opportunity. hmmmm, pila mig pasweldo sa PME dira subong? puli ko da siguro ay? hehehe.




migs, as I had been away from the PSME for awhile now, you may want to make me understand what you are trying to say here.

daw wala man sa namention sa pre-requisite in pursuing the PME ang PSME? i know the local PSME chapter can assist you in some ways, but i could not understand how it can become a stumbling block kon magkuha ka PME mo? is this related sa practice nga ginatipon ang aspirants and then ginainvite ang BME to go sa local PSME chapter so the cost to each aspirant is relatively lower? pwede mo mapaathag migs? if it is too sensitive to mention here, iPM lang ko ah.

PSME was eventually divided into two groups, each declaring they are the official PSME groups.... quite nasty aint it?...

had they been integrated lately?... i dont know... *:shrug:
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Tama ka pre... PSME is not a pre-requiste on getting a PME... However, as you have also mentioned ung PSME natin was divided into two and the law states that isa lang ung kikilaning organization ng Mechanical Engineers ng PRC...

Sadly, PSME-NOC had decided to join the opposing side... As far as I can remember PSME-NOC was one of the productive PSME Chapter in the country. It was second from Luzon to have the most number of members.... :(

And being in the opposing side that means di sila makapag-falcilate or even help our fellow aspiring PME(S), ung sa akin lang sana... gumitna lang cla sa issue, kung saan tayo maka-kabenifit doon tayo, correct me if i'm wrong pero "PSME was organized to help and assist the mechanical engineers in the country, in our sake, our region..." Pero I think, di na nagagawa na ng chapter ung kanyang responsibilities....

Sa ngayon, ung magagawa na lang ng aspiring PME(S) katulad namin ay mag-papamember sa pinakamalapit na chapter which is in iloilo...

I hope that the officers of PSME NOC will be awaken to this on going situation. To realize there responsibility to our fellow MEs and not there personal intentions...
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QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 4 2009, 11:11 AM)
anyone got an idea on the details regarding the PDP of PSME/PRC right now?.. kindly post..
salamat

PDP or PDC, pre? Clarify ko lang po...
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Posted: Sep 7 2009, 07:32 AM


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QUOTE (zorro @ Sep 5 2009, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 4 2009, 11:11 AM)
anyone got an idea on the details regarding the PDP of PSME/PRC right now?.. kindly post..
salamat

PDP or PDC, pre? Clarify ko lang po...

either siguro... its something like professional development program or something.... :cheers:
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Posted: Sep 13 2009, 11:29 AM


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Mga pre...

Meron ako nalaman, may bagong PSME Chapter sa Negros, which may help us in getting the PME Examination...

Para sa PDC info you can visit their website http://psmenic.freetzi.com, sayang lang kasi ngayon ko lang nabalitaan ung tungkol sa bagong chapter di ako naka-attend ng PDC Program nila last month, this could be a good help for us planning to get the PME Exam...

More power mga M.E.!!!

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Posted: Nov 9 2009, 03:51 PM


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QUOTE (zorro @ Sep 5 2009, 07:37 PM)
Tama ka pre... PSME is not a pre-requiste on getting a PME... However, as you have also mentioned ung PSME natin was divided into two and the law states that isa lang ung kikilaning organization ng Mechanical Engineers ng PRC...

Sadly, PSME-NOC had decided to join the opposing side... As far as I can remember PSME-NOC was one of the productive PSME Chapter in the country. It was second from Luzon to have the most number of members....  :(

And being in the opposing side that means di sila makapag-falcilate or even help our fellow aspiring PME(S), ung sa akin lang sana... gumitna lang cla sa issue, kung saan tayo maka-kabenifit doon tayo, correct me if i'm wrong pero "PSME was organized to help and assist the mechanical engineers in the country, in our sake, our region..." Pero I think, di na nagagawa na ng  chapter ung kanyang responsibilities....

Sa ngayon, ung magagawa na lang ng aspiring PME(S) katulad namin ay mag-papamember sa pinakamalapit na chapter which is in iloilo...

I hope that the officers of PSME NOC will be awaken to this on going situation. To realize there responsibility to our fellow MEs and not there personal intentions...

For clarification, there is no law stating that there is only one PSME that will be recognized by PRC, in fact, PRC being a government agency (and PSME as an independent NGO) has decided not to take side between the two PSME National Leadership, so any mechanical engineer may be a member of any PSME chapter and can renew his/her license as long as he/she has the corresponding Certificate of Good Standing (CGS) from the chapter. PRC does not take side but rather the BME, reason of which i can explain, but i won't!

With regards to the two PSME National leadership (groups), the local NOC has decided to stay neutral on whose to support, pending result of the case which is now in court.

To know the real score on what's happening in PSME, you may ask and discuss it with your former mentor, our friend, c migo Ed Rufin and the rest of TUPV ME mentors!

Thank you.
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ti?... hehehehe... ininum man na dyapun :D :bounce
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