Waagh! And Overrun, missed opportunity?

in a recent match versus VC, i charged my generals unit through a screen of hastily raised zombies and then overran 11 inches into his generals unit.

i wanted to declare Waagh! but because i ddint against the 5 zombies was ruled that i couldnt then do it against the vampire and bunker.

in the end it didnt matter, both generals died and the battle ended, but how would youhave ruled that? did i miss my opportunity to call the waaagh vs the zombies, or was i dudded at teh next combat?

WAAAGH! has to be called the moment you declare a charge with your general, before any reactions on anything else. Basically you say "My warboss' unit is declaring the WAAAGH! and charging your unit of five zombies, declare your hold reaction mr undead!". Then for the rest of the turn any unit of 5 or more orcs in close combat adds +1 combat res (D3 for the general), and if they happen to overrun into another unit they still get the bonus (although you dont roll again for the D3, your first roll stays). Also worth noting that you have to actually charge with the general in order to call the WAAAGH!, if you get charged yourself or are in a subsequent round then you cant call it.

Arfa da Grate

Double check the wording on Overrun. I believe there is something in there to the effect of "treat this as a normal charge" or similar language. Might be a clue one way or the other.

Even if its treated as a normal charge, the WAAGH has to be called when you declare a charge, before charge reactions etc, right at the start of the turn. I'd say declaring overrunning isnt the same as declaring a charge because the opponent cant react.

Arfa da Grate

+1

I think Arfa has it.

Thanks guys, thats entirely how it played out too, but wasnt sure if the "treated as a new charge" allowed me to slide in the waagh! rather than possibly wasting it on five zombies and failing the long overrun.

So what happens if you over run into a combat that hasn't taken place yet this turn? You still count as charging, but it is a second combat. As I understand it you are still charging on that turn, so I'd expect that to still be a viable Waaagh.

thats what the question was chilledenuff.

i think you only get the one opportunity, ie:

orc turn:

declare charge, call waagh
destroy zombie unit
overrun into vampire unit

vampire turn
combat (counts as +1 for charging and the same result of the waagh d3)

the question now is if you destroy the vampoire unit and overrun into a third, are you still Waaaghing?

If you'd already declared the WAAAGH! you'd still keep the original bonus, but the WAAAGH! has to be called in the 'Declare Charges' phase, which is completely different to the 'Move Charging Units' and 'Overrun' phases. Just remember it has to be done at the start of the turn!

Arfa da Grate

fluff wise i can see it happen that a orc warlord breaks a unit, spots an other one behind and in excitement calls the whaagh in order to keep momentum.

Rule wise however i am with Arfa. You need to call it at the beginning of your turn when you declare charges.