Line Of Sight, Do units block line of sight

let's say there are archers or some type of unit that needs line of sight to fire at a unit, does that unit get to fire through his own units or opponents units if they are in the way of sight from their targets?

Well, unfortunately, gw in their "wisdom" introduced the true line of sight rule in 8th edition. The way they explain it in the book is if any part of your model can see any part of the target, they they have line of sight.

So if your archer block is parked behind your own unit then they can effectively see through them. If they want to shoot at targets they can see through their allied unit, they'll suffer a -2 hard cover modifier though.

So it doesn't effect bs shooting too much, as people will want to line up clear shots. The problem is cannons shooting from behind their own unit, or Tomb King archers always hitting on 5s anyway... (but to be fair, Tomb Kings need all the help they can get.)

You mean they can see any part of the target like through terrain too? Or is it just behind units they can see through?

except protruding thingys like wings, banners, weapons, raised arms.....or even heads if the model is elevated on a rock or something.
Anyway, in good old GW fashion.....they cocked up on this rule.

Terrain to, the new rule is "True Line of Sight" if you can see any part of the models body not counting raised weapons/banners and such you can shoot at it.

edit: Ahhhhh BorkBork for the win!!!!!

This post has been edited by Krolog da FaceMangler on Jul 17 2012, 09:46 PM

Hey, show me the page numbers for this stuff guys, not realistic, at all, and it would take away from the skavens special ability to shoot through their own guys with the risk of killing their own, sorry to be harsh but I'm not buying any of this

This post has been edited by Tybo27 on Jul 18 2012, 06:58 PM

The only thing that seems fair is if your archers can definitely see over the unit blocking them like Orc archers shooting over goblins etc.

If the objects are more than fifty percent covered you get the hard cover modifier rule but if guys as tall as my shooting unit or taller are in the way you can't shoot through em, that's just not realistic, only the vermin ratmen would risk such a shot

In most cases getting TLoS through a unit is going to be iffy, but the rules are very clear. If the models can see the target at all, the target can be shot at. So, for example, since Chaos Warriors are signifficantly taller than goblins, one unit of gobs will usually be able to shoot past another such unit at Warriors on the other side. All it takes is hunkering down for a model's-eye-view to check.

Nice triple post.

True line of sight...
page 10...

"for a model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace an unblocked line from its eyes to any part of the body (i.e. head torso, arms, legs) of the target."

I invite you to have fun drawing all sorts of lines through one unit to another for each and every bow armed model. You may find 1 or two models that actually cant see, but the majority will be able to find a way. It is a given on the uk tournament scene that units in front dont really block line of sight for bs shooting.
Warmachines on the other hand need to pick and exact spot they can definitely see, not any part of a unit they can see.

It is a stupid rule wording by GW as far as I am concerned, but that is just the way it is played.

It doesn't take away the skaven's advantage, cause they're the only army that can intentionally shoot into combat.

So there is no advantage to having shooters with a clear shot compared to one that has a unit standing in front of it? Or is there some kind of modifier?

Never mind isaw the post about hard cover, so if they are blocked by a unit they get the -2 modifier, ok well I guess that at least makes it slightly tolerable for me

Okay, I played a game this weekend and apparently according to my opponent I need line of sight (Meaning my unit of squigs can't be in front of my unit) for my Goblin Spear Chukkas. However, I don't need line of sight for my Rock Lobbers or Doom Divers.

Also My Rock Lobbers and Doom Divers didn't do much against his Dwarven guys. Either I didn't hit them, or it didn't do much damage to really count.

You do need TLOS with the chukkas but you can use the Chukka as the sight line.

if your chukkas are higher than the squigs then they should be able to shoot from behind the unit