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mickkk666

Posted: May 22 2012, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE (rothgar13 @ May 22 2012, 01:52 PM)

I've seen a variety of styles of Ogres, from the Guthorde described by mick to an MMU style where you'll have a couple of units of 7-9 Ironguts with a character or two in each, along with your choice of support. I feel this is the army that Ogres can present that is the most dangerous - you can't apply the good ol' "redirect, redirect, combo-charge them" strategy when they have 3+ legitimate fighting units that can take most of our blocks to school.

I faced one exactly like that this passed tourny and it was pretty nasty! With my all-goblin list was a difficult match-up and I didn't knew what to do at the beginning. That's the only game I've lost last saturday, but not a big difference of VP.

Yeah, that's the idea, divert all you can, but is not so easy with 5 units with some characters on each. You have two options: 1) split up your force in two halves and put them on the corners, so he has to split up too or put all your force in one corner and divert all you can the distant units, while you get in charge of the closest ones.

This post has been edited by mickkk666 on May 22 2012, 02:55 PM

Shimmergloom

Posted: May 22 2012, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE (rothgar13 @ May 21 2012, 11:46 PM)

See, now I'm just getting antsy with anticipation. Shame on you, Shimmergloom, and your wily ways!

My first 2 reports are up. I should have #3 up in the next day or 2.

Squigkikka

Posted: May 22 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE (rothgar13 @ May 22 2012, 01:52 PM)

Well actually you can. 3-4 blocks isn't at all hard to divert.

rothgar13	Posted: May 22 2012, 07:27 PM
Boss Group: Members Posts: 1,085 Member No.: 6,571 Joined: 9-October 11	That's not the entire army, though. 2 blocks of Ironguts and your bog standard block of face-shredding Mournfangs clocks in at right around 1K, so you have plenty of army to support them. Throw in some nasty characters in each of those Irongut units, double Ironblasters, three Sabretusks, and some Gnoblars, and now you're approaching what you'd be facing in a game at 2500. This post has been edited by rothgar13 on May 22 2012, 07:28 PM

Squigkikka	Posted: May 22 2012, 09:52 PM
Waaagh! Group: Members Posts: 3,410 Member No.: 5,573 Joined: 4-December 09	Those are the only blocks you'd have to divert, though. Ogre Kingdoms are strong and I think they have the upper hand on OnG to be honest. Their main weakness is diverters that are easy to kill, but on the other hand they are so cheap! Leadbelchers are crazy too. I've got no real strategy for beating Ogres beyond Sword of antiheries, using skulkers and flanking with squigs, because SQUIGS are SO GOOD against Ogres. WS4 and S5, 2A means they even hit Ironguts on 3+! Amazing.

rothgar13	Posted: May 23 2012, 03:01 AM
Boss Group: Members Posts: 1,085 Member No.: 6,571 Joined: 9-October 11	I actually think the Ogres v. O&G matchup can go either way, to be honest with you. They don't like fighting Savage Orcs, and they also don't like fighting Squigs (as you said). This post has been edited by rothgar13 on May 23 2012, 03:02 AM

mickkk666	Posted: May 23 2012, 07:00 AM
Flying goblin Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Member No.: 6,568 Joined: 5-October 11	Yep, flanking with squigs is terrible for them and if you can cast sneaky stabbing, even better .

rothgar13	Posted: May 23 2012, 01:34 PM
Boss Group: Members Posts: 1,085 Member No.: 6,571 Joined: 9-October 11	Just plain Squigs is enough to lay the hurt on them, honestly. They'll only get to slaughter them once the damage has been done.

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