Title: War Sleights 2
Description: Construction and Painting dairy
Brog Ironfang - July 31, 2005 08:49 PM (GMT)
This is a thread about my lastest and actual project "War Sleights II"
There are pictures of mine first War Sleights so i don't feel like there is a need to explain what I'm making and all that stuff.
I don't have WIP pictures until the stage I'm currently at as i didn't have a digital camera back in Wroc³aw but i promise that pictures will appear here quite frequently.
As for starters I would like to hear what do you guyz think of this model and do you have any suggestions to it (especialy about "attatching" wolves to the sleights)
I plan to make boards of this vehicle just as in the first one (so made using shields and other "unnecesarry bitz") but i don't have precise plans for them yet. The crew will be with spears and i will ad a snotling or two here and there (ant yes there will be a lot of eskimo gear :))
Anyway here is where I'm at now. Comment, advice, constructiv criticise.
I hope this will be fun for all !
(I'm a bit on vacations now and i will stars a "serious" work on Wednesday)
Oh if you have any questions about the actual state (if pics don't show something you are interested in - just ask i will lurk around and answer as fast as i can.
Thie white thing on the rock will be covered with snow anyways - it is there just for leveling (surface) purpose only.
Snotstaff - July 31, 2005 09:06 PM (GMT)
Oh great great great! I was just thinking that it would be time to start my sleigh but how!
Awsome! Great! :D
jimbob1066e - July 31, 2005 09:59 PM (GMT)
How many of these bad boys are you going to have?
You could always add some rope to attache the wolves, like dog-sleighs they use in the ididerod.
cyberzomby - July 31, 2005 10:37 PM (GMT)
Yes, very original
If you try google for those pictures of postal services up in the north ( alaska or something ? ) with dogseighs and the several movies, you will find that the dogs or wolves in youre case pulled by rope :)
Groshnak - August 1, 2005 03:10 AM (GMT)
Very nice brog. This will indeed be an interesting 'diary' to follow! :)
Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull - August 1, 2005 06:22 AM (GMT)
Nice work, I will follow this diary with much intrest, maybe I will make such a chariot.
Brog Ironfang - August 1, 2005 04:30 PM (GMT)
Not a very active day today. I just set my working place (installed radio brought some watter and such) and dig threw my bitz box to see if i have all the parts i need to end this project. Fortunately i have 8 more Gobbos there (parts) so I even have a small (VERY SMALL) choice what bodies i will use. Also I decided to add chains to the wolves thingy and I think i know how i want to attach them to the vehicle.
I'm still not sure how i will make the "walls" for this chariot but i think i will keep the "shields and all rubish there are" style. Also i start a water test on 2 bases (i make only bases and see how exackly the water can be done using PVA glue (from Anton i know it takes around 20 layers and glue does not need to be thinned) I will see where it will get me to and I will try to use it In this and future projects (next Dairy will be about savage orcs i think)
This is all for now...
I think tommorrow and day after tommorow won't bring alot of new things but who knows :)
Snotstaff - August 1, 2005 06:16 PM (GMT)
I think you should do the walls about the same way as they looked so awesome.
Brog Ironfang - August 3, 2005 12:23 PM (GMT)
As I promised the first update:
Today I started to build Sleights body. I have finished half of “walls” and hopefully I will get them done today evening. Also I decided that I will edit my earlier posts and switch pictures with plain links and post pictures on the latest reply, but while this thing is fresh I decided not to take down the first posts pictures (while it could be difficult to see what I’m doing).
I wanted to leave as much of the metal parts visible as possible as it have nice details and I’m happy with the way it looks. This is why I decided to glue the first shield and cut it a bit to fit into the “frame” like this:
It was only fast glued (I will use this term referring to usage of fast drying plastic glue) on the boarders to the metal part as the real joint is behind it:
The first stick (1) was glued to the metal part and a shield while the second one (2) was firstly green stuffed to the metal part and then just fast glued to the shield after that. It was a bit hard to cut it good enough to fit the frame so I had to use greenstuffs to make a strong joint. This is how this bar looks from the front:
Then I clipped of one of the nails from the metal part to make a flat surface big enough to fastglue next element
I glued it with the whole thing attached to the sleights as I wanted that element to touch the floor (The whole construction requires such places not only to be glued to the floor but also to be more resistant to bending which will appear when I will be lifting that model).
Then a glyph and elven shield were added – both greenstuffed as there were some differences of levels between board and first shield and I was unable to fastglue glyph properly (the elven shield is bended and “empty” inside so I have to fill that space with greenstuff to make a stronger joint.
The second pics show how the glyph was glued. Than I greenstuffed another shield:
Then I took a small break :)
After it I made something more but I was so excited I forgot to make few WIP shots and I ended up here:
Basically what I have done was: I took a “square stick” (1) (I believe you can buy them in “grill” stores or wherever they sell saschwik (sp!!) sticks) and fastglued it to the goblin shield:
Then I fastglued a piece of ice-cream stick to it and 2 glyphs (shown above)
I added a small piece of wood in the bottom under a goblin shield as there was a hole there and ta-da! The first “wall” is finished:
On a side note:
I decided to add chain running from wolves to the chariot on both sides. Chain from this side will be attactched to the spike from Goblin shield and I have a splendid idea for a second one but I won’t say a thing as it may not turn out good :)
I hope I will post a second wall today too so stay tuned!
Groshnak - August 3, 2005 02:20 PM (GMT)
Yay! The chariot looks like s&!%, and I mean it! Don't get me wrong though, the conversion job is awesome, I just meant that it looks very .. erm, how do I put this .. volatile? :P
Great job, keep it up!
cyberzomby - August 3, 2005 02:36 PM (GMT)
Very nice and looks proffesional. But doesnt it get a big large that way?
Brog Ironfang - August 3, 2005 04:04 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Groshnak @ Aug 3 2005, 02:20 PM)|
| erm, how do I put this .. volatile? :P|
you lost me - my dictionary says that volatile means thave liquid vaporates fast or that something change fast for a second meaning... I'm so lost there :/
Is this model large?
Well it is bigger than ordinary chariot (which i think is to small) but I have absolutely no problem to fit it on a chariot base. And it looks way more dangerous :)
I have to resize picsa and the second part will be here in a moment :)
As promised the second part of today achievements!
I didn’t have anything planned for the second side so I have to start from the very beginning with this piece:
On the other hand I had a splendid idea today and as it turns out as planned I can spill the beans. I found that this chariot don’t have a steering system. Of course screaming and hitting with whip is sufficient in most cases I wanted to have something more. Using these bits:
I decided to make something new. As you nay see above (first message) wolves have a “stick” on their back which looks like it could turn around on its joint to sleights. Plan is simple: First chain goes from one end of this stick to the chariot and is there glued. The second chains goes from the second end of a stick to a chariot’s “steering device” It is simple the turnstile. When goblins want to turn left they loose a chain a bit and then wolves running straight forward turn the sleights (coz left chain is shorter than the right one sleights turn) when they want to turn on the right they roll more chain on the device and they turn – neat eh :)
This is how the device turns out:
I added few things to make it more stable and to fit more into the sleights itself:
Then I build the “wall” a bit more to the rear with some ice-cream sticks:
At the end I added next “square stick” to make construction more solid (also there is a small wire drilled and glued to its bottom just as in the case of the first one. But this one also works as a banner pole holder – I used to bended paperclips to achieve that:
Few more details:
And it is ready:
I had some pictures of finished and put together sleights but they turn out so crappy that one can’t see almost anything on them. I don’t know what happened but out of 20 WIP pics I was barely able to select 13 you can see now… I think batteries on my camera are getting low.
I think tomorrow I will add nails (made form greenstuff heads staring at you from wood here and there) and then I will probably paint the sleights itself. After some experiments I need to do with the “snow making” I will make a base ant then only the crew (and a banner) would be to done…
I think I will end up in the middle of next week if everything will work well :)
Any questions so far? I’m not English native and word won’t check the sense of my text – only the misspells!
Woah – it is a lot of work – I hope you like that!
Gitsnik Blacktooth - August 3, 2005 05:29 PM (GMT)
Wow, it's looking great so far Brog! That's one heck of a lot of work for a chariot..... :P
Snotstaff - August 3, 2005 08:01 PM (GMT)
Oh man is that awesome or is that awesome! :wub:
The first one didn't look half as complex... :wacko:
Brog Ironfang - August 3, 2005 08:14 PM (GMT)
Well the first one was similar but without the steering device which looka a bit more complicadted (but isnt)
It is just that when you see something done step by step you always see more problems and hard parts :)
Still it is fun !
Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull - August 4, 2005 06:10 AM (GMT)
It looks very nice, I like the high elf shield in it :D .
jimbob1066e - August 4, 2005 07:31 AM (GMT)
Looking good Brog!!!!
(oh and when he said volatile - I believe he meant 'ready to blow up' or crash. Just like gobbo chariot should be!)
Brog Ironfang - August 4, 2005 07:30 PM (GMT)
Well it is time for something more!
For a good start here are some pics that show where I was after converting the sleights itself:
And now it is time for today’s work!
I painted the “floor part” and a “wolf’s part” of this model.
The parts were painted in the same way. At the beginning all wooden surfaces were painted Scorched brown. I Did it sloppy as I knew that I will be able to fix that in future – wood is one of those things I still drybrush (especially on bug models) so I painted it at the very beginning. The first drybrush was using pure bestial brown:
Then I mixed bestial with blenched bone and drybrush once more (lighter this time), and then I added more blenched bone to the mix and drybrush again, and then I added even more (well that was almost pure blenched bone) and I received something like this:
Then the metal came in play. Each metal part was painted Boltgun metal, then places of my choice were painted chainmail (I have a problem how to describe the way I pick those places – there is no rule I just pick them…) and then another places were painted with mithrill silver. After it dried I mixed red gore, scorched brown, and black and add a lot of water and I inked the metal parts. These are the pics:
[Unfortunately inked metal and only with chainmail pictures turn out blurry…]
On today’s note I want to say that when you paint naturally broken wood (like ice-cream sticks) it is crucial to paint the break surfaces. You need to thin the paint a lot but it is possible (I have a separate brush for this – and drybrush – as it can kill a brush in notime!) Also it is important to remember about those surfaces when you drybrush wood as they turn out realty good!
Gitsnik Blacktooth - August 4, 2005 08:13 PM (GMT)
jimbob1066e - August 5, 2005 05:23 AM (GMT)
Neato! I can't wait to see the boyz added!
Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull - August 5, 2005 06:05 AM (GMT)
Nice nice, I see forward to see the goblins in it.
Garbag - August 5, 2005 05:51 PM (GMT)
Brog i'm gob smacked!!!
That are sooooo cool!!!!
I want one!!!!
You must sell me it :P .
Brog Ironfang - August 5, 2005 07:39 PM (GMT)
no way - ther is no prize you would have to pay me to make me mada a model for you (or anyone else) i won't do it !
If you want i can help you out. Believe me or not this is soooo easy to make. You have a lot of VIP pics with every important thing you have to make - if you wish i can make closeups for the "floor" part as it don't have WIP and guide you threw making such a model. This is why I'm writing this stuff...
feel free to reply or PM me if you are interested!
Today there were only few things done so no story today (threw the "mechanism" side "wall" is almost painted - nothing realy special - wood and metal only ...)
i think there will be something tomorrow :)
Garbag - August 5, 2005 07:47 PM (GMT)
Brog Ironfang - August 5, 2005 07:55 PM (GMT)
even if I would consieder it as a real offer (which i don't) i would not agree - sorry men some things just ain't for sale
(are you interested in making yourself this model ?)
Garbag - August 6, 2005 07:51 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Brog Ironfang @ Aug 5 2005, 07:55 PM)|
| (are you interested in making yourself this model ?) |
Yes :D .Can I?
Brog Ironfang - August 6, 2005 09:38 AM (GMT)
I think that the stages I described in this diary are clear and easy to follow. I will write something about the things I didn't describe here so...
Base and wolves - simple thing. The rocks they are standing on are two layers of cork (the thing you put under your cup with hot tea or the cork mates you can pin something to) they were PVA glued. Wolves itself were only glued and painted, they have a bit of paperclip drilled in their legs (those toughing ground) for better joint in the base (the base have holes too of course)
Painting wolves just like in my "wolf/squig riders article" but with better skills :)
the thing behind wolves (have no clue how it is called in English - sorry) is simply a long ice-cream stick broke in 2 places (front and rear of course) and then a smaller sharpened bit glued to the long one (the small things there are to make joint stronger and for "adjustment of reality" for that model :)
Floor part is the easiest :) I think you recognize spear chukka part on the bottom - there are 2 of these on both sides - you need to cut the top of them and smooth them out. Then the floor itself consist of 2 piece of ice-cream sticks (ICS) and 4 ICS glued to them across - there are several pictures showing that thing above - just look at them, oh there is also a "square stick" between the 2 lower parts - it is visible here too.
I drilled 2 holes in the floor to fit my beloved snotling pump wagon part there - this is where the dairy started.
Oh no I forgot! The wolves’ part!
just glued (with drilling and "papercliping joints" Spear chukka part (on the right) Snotling pump wagon scythe (with cut end) and Orc chariots part above but a long match or whatever will do just fine - I simply have that bit from another conversion.
I guess this is all!
If you have any questions ask freely - this is why I made this diary!
Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull - August 6, 2005 09:41 AM (GMT)
I'm intrested in making one for myself but should it fit in the desert?
Garbag - August 6, 2005 09:43 AM (GMT)
Cool I shall follow your guide but I may add some snow and do afew other little things to personalize mine but it will suck way more than yours :P .
Brog Ironfang - August 6, 2005 09:45 AM (GMT)
Well you can alwas make a sand sleinghts (i heard that this is possible) or instal wheels instead of ... yyy sleights ?
I think that installinh wheels wont be a problem at all! Just glue a "square stick" under the "floor part" and then glue wheels (made or from another model) to it - rest stays the same !
EDIT - I will add snow too garbag but i have to do some test samples before i decide about the method i will use :) (also the white thing there is just for surface reasons it won't be visable !
Brog Ironfang - August 6, 2005 02:51 PM (GMT)
Today I have finished (well almost finished) the main body of the sleights. It is painted but I need to do a “nail day” and add greenstuff nails here and there and then paint them metal but it won’t take a lot of time!
Well I started each of the walls by painting it (well only wooden parts but that’s around 90% of surface :)) Scorched brown, and then I drybrushed them bestial brown
Then all were drybrushed with the mix of bestial and blenched bone (I think I described it few posts earlier) got me here:
Then metal work (again described earlier)
And there were only few places I have to finish. I need to say that I love those places, the small spots that make the model so special, and to be true not so boring (well only wood and metal – Yuk!). Unfortunately I do those with blending in most cases which prevents me to make WIP pics – sorry but it is just impossible as I need to stand up and go to another end of the room to make a good pic with good light and that takes to long! Anyways:
Standard NG moon. Base coated with bestial brown + sunburst yellow mix. Then some lighter mix and pure yellow after that I started to add white to the mix and painted it until I decided that this is enough (of course each step was painted on the smaller surface) Eyes were painted red (red gore/ red gore + blood red / blood red + white) teeth with bestial -> blenched bone in around 3-4 steps.
The best part HE shield. I decided to surrender some time and make it something special and I’m happy with what I received :) First the shield was painted enchanted blue. Then I started to add white to the mix and painted almost whole shield always leaving some more space near sharp end. I did it fast so paint didn’t dry and I could blend the transition and I’m very pleased with the result. After that finished (and 2 fixes :P) I painted rays and a sword codex gray and then adding white I tried to do a tiny NMM on there aiming for the lighter centrum of the blade. There were 2 cuts I did with a hobby knife before I started so I painted them as regular metal (symbolizing that shield is metal and it received 2 hits that scratched off the paint) and then I painted some metal here and there showing the paint is falling off as the shield is old and not good treated.
Jewel was basecoated red gore than painted in lower parts with red gore and blood red, then pure blood red , then added some white to the mix and even some more and at the end I painted a sun reflection spot in the upper part with the lightest mix I achieved and highlighted it with pure white. And that is all about shield :)
I also made some red dags here and there using thinned down red gore then painting over wet pain mix of red gore and blood R, then pure really watered down Blood 2 or 3 times.
And so it is :) Here are some pics of finished and put together chassis (it is not glued yet as I need to make nails and install a crew somewhere there!)Front-RightRight sideRearLeft sideFront-left
cyberzomby - August 6, 2005 04:26 PM (GMT)
It looks realy nice, and im going to use ure wood technique on my trolls axe ^^
First I was scared that the sleights were gonna be to big, but this is realy nice.
Nice job on the shield 2
Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull - August 6, 2005 04:31 PM (GMT)
Very nice, I love it, is the body done now or do you still need to add some details.
Garbag - August 6, 2005 04:36 PM (GMT)
Lord Gorfasil - August 7, 2005 03:01 PM (GMT)
AWESOME! I love it, the rock lobber piece is a really neat addition.
Gobbos, gobbos, gobbos...
I want gobbos!
Brog Ironfang - August 7, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
I made a naild day yesterday and started to convert one of the crew members - i have some pics but i will post everything tomorrow - I was at the trip with my family and I'm completely exousted !
So tomorrow there will be some stuff - probably even first crew member :)
Groshnak - August 8, 2005 01:02 AM (GMT)
Looking good, brog! I'm following this article with excitement! :)
Brog Ironfang - August 8, 2005 03:31 PM (GMT)
Well it is time to write something. Sorry that it took me so long – many things happened. Also not much has been done as I’m feeling sick and generally don’t have energy to do more. Still some converting was done :)
First of all I apologize – I made more WIP but as usual some of them turn out so blurry that they couldn’t be used. Here are the ones I did select for today’s part:
The first crew member. Unfortunately I don’t have earlier pics of this guy – he has the “armored” goblin torso and goblin head with cut away hair and ears. What I did was to glue his arm (it’s position were very important) and head – then put some GS around his pace (to make the hoods end) and then apply more to make the surface smooth, then I added 3 or so folds on the neck coz I think this way hoods do bend. After that I put a sausage of GS around the hoods end (after the first GS got hard of course) and poke it several times with my sculpting tool (needle or toothpick d just fine)
Then I cut away the NG arm sleeve and made longer with GS, The procedure is the same – first the end of a sleeve (it helps to glue GS away from hand at the end of the sleeve – without that it would look unnatural) and then the rest – unfortunately there are no WIP pics :/
Then it is time for a second crewman:
Legs and torso are recognizable I think, this I a NG head with hood cut away.
I add GS to smooth the surface and make it look like one part with the shirt or whatever he is wearing: P
Then the same trick with poking greenstuff sausage with needle/toothpick
And this is it. I don’t feel well enough to start the next one and I need to wait until GS hardens in order to do anything more. Also I’m starting the snow experiment and I think I will be finishing base soon (depending on results of course …
Lord Gorfasil - August 8, 2005 04:46 PM (GMT)
Excellent stuff Brog! I love the fur, it's really characteristic ^^
jimbob1066e - August 9, 2005 08:01 AM (GMT)
Sweet! I am digging the igloo/eskimo theme. It is really coming together! Get better soon!!!! That is an order, mister!