Title: Instant Mold And Mangler Squigs
Description: Now, trying to do custom squigs
TheGreenShogun - July 18, 2012 03:13 AM (GMT)
Just wondering if it is possible to do Instant Mold on the Mangler Squigs?
I noticed one package has 6 sticks of the mold. I wonder if three sticks is enough to cover one mangler body (without the legs and goblins).
And I wonder if Finecast would work under Instant Mold.
Krolog da FaceMangler - July 18, 2012 04:15 AM (GMT)
I think your going to get few responses, as most of us do not want to be taken to court by GW. Now making a mold of your own sculpt is another matter.
azhagmorglum - July 18, 2012 05:47 AM (GMT)
I bought some instant mold but for the old metal spiders. I've bought 5 of them on eBay but I'd like some more ( I don't like the new plastic ones).
As for the mangler I don't know how much of mold you'll need. And the heat could indeed be a problem with Finecast. I wonder if GW implemented Finecast to impede recasting...?
Skarsnik, the lord - July 18, 2012 08:29 AM (GMT)
I believe Mangler Squigs are very difficult to recast with instant mold.
First of all you need at least two full sets of instant mold for the Mangler. I don't have the current Mangler model so I cannot tell exact sizes but what I've seen from pictures the beast is HUGE, and one set of instant mold is simply not enough.
Secondly the heat problem. This is not a big problem since you don't need to press the Mangler Squig between the hot pieces of instant mold for long, but it might do some damage so it's kinda risky.
@ Krolog da FaceMangler: In my humble opinion recasting GW models for your personal use is okay. Recasting models take time and money (for example, one Night Goblin uses a surprising amount of green stuff and lots of time to clean the mold lines, not to mention green stuff is fiddlier material than plastic or metal), so making tons of green stuff models for yourself is not worth of it. Some models are of course more expensive than others, but they're usually bigger (= need more green stuff and work) or characters (= you already have one that looks the same as the soon-to-be green stuff character, and two same characters look boring eh?). I use instant mold mainly for producing bitzes that would otherwise be rare. If you start copying some models or bitzes in dozens and dozens and start selling them in the internet, that's not okay, but otherwise I think people should not see instant mold as a "bad" thing. ;)
- Cheers, Skarsnik.
Shadowlord - July 18, 2012 10:35 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Skarsnik, the lord @ Jul 18 2012, 08:29 AM)|
| @ Krolog da FaceMangler: In my humble opinion recasting GW models for your personal use is okay. |
Yeah, bitz and bobs is OK in my opinion as well, but on a WFB forum it may not be the smartest thing to discuss.
Morten C - July 18, 2012 10:54 AM (GMT)
Of course you're welcome to copy your models once you've bought them! That said, instant mold is a huge project when you're moving from bitz to models. It's quite hard to get a good cast without trapping air in the pocess.
Now besides that your need several pacjs to actually cover the model and make a model that recreates the three dimensional body.
You'll also need so much greenstuff to actually fill the model, It's not gonna stay cheap.
I can't recommend this project at all. It'll take very long time, use lost of greenstuff and not necessarily give a good result. Comparing it too how simple a mangler squig is to sculp yourself. It is big, have no hard details, and nothing have to be propotional... Glue night goblins and chains all over, and you're done :) there even is a lot of cheap toys that'll form great bases to use. Buy a plast dinosaur. Remove the upper torso and add a gaping maw... Dead easy... I did it in my blog.
Vermillion - July 18, 2012 11:48 AM (GMT)
Milliputt is a cheaper way to start off with imo for bulking stuff out. Bit of a snotweavle to use for finer details though, kneadite really needed there :)
TheGreenShogun - July 18, 2012 08:16 PM (GMT)
If you watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkRxCI-s9M
The squig's body isn't that huge. I think as long as you keep the body/head separated from the legs and other parts, the 6 sticks of instant mold would be able to cover it.
I thought about buying 1, and then with instant mold, make 3 more (my typical games are 3,000pts).
I would make instant mold each parts separately.
But to be honest, I've never done this and I don't have experience with casting, and I don't know how well Finecast would work under the heat.
I think I would probably go with Morten's advise. Go to Wal-Mart or Toys R Us and get some toy dinosaurs such as this one:http://anwo.com/store/media/t-rex-toy-dinosaur.jpg
Saw off the torso and the tail. Use Green Stuff to fill in the gap after cutting the tail off.
Then saw off a shark head off and glue it to the body:http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/gifts/fr...plastic-470.jpg
Then use Green stuff to fill in the gap and try to make the body spherical as much as possible. Maybe I can first put in a ping pong ball in the T-Rex's body, and make a hole for the shark's head to go in. Then I'll add the green stuff over the ping pong ball to make it more textured, and add some mushrooms and horns. Then it'll all be painted red.
Then buy the plastic Night Goblin Fanatics. They have chains, mushrooms, and other bits that will go nicely with the Mangler Squigs.
None of this would be necessary if the Mangler Squig isn't Finecast at 60$. It ought to be hard plastic and be priced at, say, $33.
TheGreenShogun - July 18, 2012 08:51 PM (GMT)
To show what my idea is like:
Morten C - July 18, 2012 09:00 PM (GMT)
That isn't a bad idea. But really the dinosaur should be enough. Anyone can sculpt a gaping maw. Teeth are just plastic bitz. My very first greenstuff model was a Mangler and I had idea what I was doing. ended up just fine :)
TheGreenShogun - July 18, 2012 11:52 PM (GMT)
Got these from Wal-Mart.
Bought 4 dinosaurs $1 each. The tooth floss would be used as bits for fangs and horns. Ping pong balls as a foundation for the head to sculpt on.
Got these from a local comic store.
Total for 30$. A bit pricey. At least I'll have a lot of green stuff leftover, plus the bases are heavier and magnetized and will help support the heavy custom mangler squigs.
TheGreenShogun - July 19, 2012 12:35 AM (GMT)
The foundation so far.
Not sure if I should add another squig atop. I'm afraid it might get too big and unwieldy.
They're rubbery and they do bend under weight. I'm thinking about spreading wood glue all over the body to make it more solid. Is that a good idea?
Skarsnik, the lord - July 19, 2012 07:37 AM (GMT)
@ TheGreenShogun: Looking good so far! Covering the whole body of the dinosaur with a watered down PVA glue sounds like a good idea, maybe even two layers of it. Just remember to keep the glue watery, otherwise it'll cover the skin texture of the dinosaur (if you're going to sculpt the skin again then I'd go with pure PVA glue).
- Cheers, Skarsnik.
Morten C - July 19, 2012 02:15 PM (GMT)
really nice start. Really hope this works out for ya :)
TheGreenShogun - July 19, 2012 08:24 PM (GMT)
Setting up add plumber's epoxy
Plumber's expoxy added
Green stuff added
Some details added
Da Spawn Man - July 20, 2012 01:52 AM (GMT)
Not bad, but if you look at most anatomical studies, the rounded face doesn't quite match the mangler's chewing ability. Is there any way to shave some weight off the sides of the cheeks. I'm just saying it looks a bit TOO round. But the greenstuffing you've done is amazing. I just think the under-modeling needs some modifying. :)
TheGreenShogun - July 22, 2012 03:01 PM (GMT)
It is done! I think it turned out to be OK.
1 down. 3 more to go.
So far, I spent about 40$ to get the materials. I saved myself about 200$.
4 Mangler Squigs from GW would have costed 240$ altogether.
GazakahStoneWallop - July 22, 2012 05:22 PM (GMT)
He looks kind of happy, hahaha.
Great job though!
TheGreenShogun - July 22, 2012 05:40 PM (GMT)
He's happy that he's getting plenty of munchies in battles ;)
Paiant Slapah - July 23, 2012 03:57 AM (GMT)
Good work. Nicely done. It will definitely serve its purpose.
Morten C - July 23, 2012 11:37 AM (GMT)
Thats a brilliant result. Bick applause to you, for just trying it. :yarr!: :yarr!:
rat of vengence - July 23, 2012 09:45 PM (GMT)
Nice work there mate, and well explained/illustrated! I am going the older coldone/sculpted head route, but similar concept.
Thanks for sharing :D