hi i'am quite new to orc's and goblins and i'm also new to the forum
so here is a 1750 points army list so tell me what you think an help me to improve it

Lords:

Savage orc warbos
great weapon and seed of rebirth

night goblin warboss
orgeblade and light armour

heroes

Lv 2 savage orc shaman
lucky shurken head

night goblin bsb

core

20 savage orcs big un' s
With musician and. standardbearer
2 hand weapons and a big
stabba

40 night goblins with spears and schields
standarbearer and musician and champion
2 fanatics and 1 netter

10 goblin wolf ridder with bows
standartbearer muscian champion

10 goblin wolf riders with bows
standartbearer muscian champion

special

5 savage orc boar boyz
2 hand weapons
musician standart bearer and champion

rare
Arachnarok spider with flinger

i have some spare points left not much so maby some better magical items or something else :blink:

Hi, Welcome to Da-Warpath,

Looks like a solid list to start you off, but there's definitely a few things that could be improved without much effort.

- There's no need for seed of rebirth on the savage orc warboss, he already has a 6+ ward, and you cant use regeneration as well as a ward save. Glittering scales would be a good option.
- Wolf rider units work better in 5s instead of 10s
- There's little need for the ogre blade on the night goblin, he's almost as good with a plain great weapon, and much cheaper.

I'd personally try to work in a at least one war machine (doom diver or rock lobber) and some more magic to give you a ranged threat.

Good luck with the list.

yea i think i going to include a rock lobba and a night goblin shaman
i thought to run the wolf riders in units of 10 because they will die verry fast in units of 5 but i'am going to try the units of five

Wolf riders always die really fast, and they dont really gain anything from being a bigger unit because they are best as redirectors and annoyances.

should i go for 4x5 or 3x5 or 2x5 units of wolfriders?

and is the arachnarok spider a good choice or would it be beter to get three rivertrolls and more warmachines ?

btw thanks for all the info you gave me so far

I'd say 2x5 is the best way to go.

Does the list above reflect the models you have, or are you planning things out before you buy them? It'd be easier to give advice if we know what models you have.

The spider is lots of fun, and can be very strong, but its not the most competitive choice. 2 doom divers and 2 mangler squigs is probably the most powerful use of your rare slots.

these are the models i have except for 20 night goblins and fanatics (still have to buy them) I also don't have the savage orc warboss and the night goblin warboss. i have 3 rivertrolls but they aren't in the list

Hi man, i've just sent you a private message about the models you say you're about to buy.

In that case, i'd say run 2 units of 5 wolf riders, and convert one of them into a goblin big boss. Give him charmed shield, dragonbane gem and a cheap magic weapon, and send him after your enemies cannons and warmachines.

I'd run the arachnarok without a flinger and use the fliger parts to make a rock lobber conversion.

You can run the river trolls as normal trolls for now.

List i'd run with your models:

Savage orc warboss - glittering scales, great weapon
Savage orc shaman - level 2, lucky shrunken head
Night goblin big boss - Battle standard bearer, great weapon, light armour
Goblin big boss - giant wolf, charmed shield, dragonbane gem, tormentor sword
Night goblin shaman - level 2, dispel scroll

40 night goblins - full command, 2 fanatics, netters, spears
20 savage orc big uns - full command, big stabbas, additional hand weapons
5 wolf riders - musician, bows
5 wolf riders - musician, bows
3 trolls
5 savage orc boar boys - full command, additional hand weapons
arachnarok spider

Let me know about the message.