well i can talk all i want but let's get starded.


lords- 1 savage orc great shaman lvl 4 lucky shurunken head. 255
heroes- 1 orc BB- bsb talisman of pres AHW -127

core!- 29 savage orc big uns AHW full cmd. 354
30 orc boys shield full cmd - 245
40 night gobbo's full cmd net's 2 fanatic's
5 wolf riders spears shields - 60

special - 2 chukka's - 35(70_

rare rock lobba! 85
Doom diver! 80

1496 well hi? this is my list please give some (nice) advice and i wont add any shooting orcs/goblins because i think they suck! :D

The L4 for 1500 maybe is too much. Also, if the shaman is the general, you risk your army Ld on a miscast. Make him a L2 and use the points for a goblin warboss! He is great for his value in points, and has Ld8 too.

I'd keep that shaman as your general but put your bsb as a black orc. This way, your savage orcs wont suffer anymosity and you won't loose a magic turn.

What do you think?

well animosity is idd scary xd, but i think i can throw a 2+ and borc bsb isnt that great but i might put him in for my 2000 list but first i;m stil hunting for a doom diver :) and no i wont put lvl2 all my games i got dungy spells and stuff and i think orc magic isnt that bad so ill need to make huge dmg to finish with smal blocks like 30 orc boys

I'm not saying big waaagh is bad, but your general is a shaman...

the main problem i have with orc L2 is that i get worthless spells for the whole game! last time i had ere we go and brain bursta -_-. that was suckish i was playing vs ogers so thats why i need a L4 and at 2000 ill add a gobbo or i take out just some orc's (boys) but why dont u make a 1500 pts wonder to see how u make one :)

BTW! which item should i give the goblin/night gobbo warboss. btw he wil be in a unit of night gobbo's

I usually put my goblin bsb with great weapon, armor of silvered steal and ironcurse icon.

I don't use goblin warboss usually in 1500 games.

I'm sorry to interfere but I can't understand why you would post up an army list and then not consider using some of the advice and critique to alter your army to gain an advantage on the table top I posted a 1500 point list and instantly tweaked bits. Lords and heroes I have in my list are black orc warboss 160pt, Lvl 2 SO shaman with boar and Fencers blades 164 pts, Lvl 2 night goblin shaman 85 , and night goblin bsb with la,shield. 59pts total of 468 points which is only slightly more than your lords and heroes but benefits from the big and little Waagh magic and quell animosity and a ld of 9 but the downside is a cheap bsb, but a very strong shaman which I need to hold arcane fulcrums in SOM,I would consider some of the suggestions from the others though matey!!