From what I've been reading the mangler squig is (as GW's pricing infers) something which O&G players will find very desirable in the army, but how viable and popular are the other squig choices such as cave squigs and squig hoppers etc?

well, the Great cave squig definitely has it's uses. Shield of ptalos is a great option for a boss riding this thing. he doesn't allow any charge reactions so he's mean against elf lists.

Squig herds are awesome. simple as. good WS, great S, 2 A. they are beasts in combat.

Squig hoppers are fine for their points, but doesn't work well in big units, since they are cavalry, so the squigs doesn't make supporting attacks. Their biggest problem is that pump wagon does the same thing, but cheaper and better. They aren't a bad choice though.

Morten C have described this units pretty well. The great cave squig is really useful. It you have the points, it worths much more to put a warboss on it. You need to equip him too much and he will do a great job.

Squig herds are crazy good. They are the perfect flankers and can become highly destructive with sneaky stabbing spell :D.

The hoppers are the lesser choice from the squig catalog. They have some uses. As the big cavern squig, due to its random movement, the enemy can react to its charge, so for certain situations can be nice. If you want to include some, units of 5 are ok.

Squigs are all pretty useful. Even the squig hoppers, which general opinion says are not that great, still have uses.

The main problem with squigs is that they are expensive in terms of cash. Squig Herds are one of the best offensive units in our whole book. In fact, the standard squig is point-for-point the most offensive model we have - although they are also point-for-point pretty bad defensively. They are very much a glass cannon unit, although they have a number of advantages. However, it can be a very expensive unit to collect.

Well they aren't that expensive if you use their new plastic models! ;)

A Cheap lord with Armour of Gork is brilliant!!

I used to run it with shiny baubles and turn him into a bouncing bomb (cue dam busters music) it was hillarious :o and now he smashes things with his imapct hits!! I love squig hoppers and herders, but mind you I do run Night Goblin armies for the most part!!

Squig Herds pack a lot of punch for not a lot of points, so they're worth having around. Hoppers, on the other hand, are almost painfully bad. WS2 T3 6+ armor cavalry with a terrible charge range and infantry-level foot speed? Come on. :vomit:

That...is the best idea ever. EVER. :D It both protects him really well, wich is exactly what he needs, and gives him impacthits. Yes. Just yes. Never thought of that! Now I have to buy a Mangler and convert a rider...

Theo

Is a nice idea, but a bit expensive maybe. For big games though, can be great :D.

he will be only doing impact hits at strength 4 so its not all that great, but I guess it could be fun :lol:

If I am gonna drop a 100pt magic item on a gobbo lord on a great cave squig I prefer to give him the battleaxe of the last waaagh. He does not amazing protection as long as you are careful in how you attack units. He should be attacking small units, monsters, or hitting units in flanks where they have very limited return attacks. And for that you end up with between 5-10 attacks at str 5-10 and initiative 5. Then the squig has attacks as well. Sure, his weaponskill goes down the better he rolls for strength & attacks, but that generally matters little for what you are attacking with him.

Armor of Gork and Orc Warbosses were meant to go together. Choppas means you get S6 Impact Hits, which is actually pretty formidable.

Yes. S4 impacts hits from Goblins is sort of weak :P The random nature of the item is what makes it so bad. If it was +3 Toughness at all times, I'd actually consider it!

I agree. A T8 Orc is frankly quite formidable, and you could find a use for it in a variety of ways, similar to how Tomb Kings use their Khemrian Warsphinx. Having him roll a 1 on that D3 and show up as only T6, though, is kind of arse.

It is not bad for gobbos when you combine it with the net bonus. It then means a gobbo lord is effectively between t6-8. That is pretty decent at keeping him from harm. I just think if you are going to put a gobbo on a great cave squig and toss a super expensive item on him then you should go as offensive as you can rather than defensive. The defensive item is better when you combine it with the defensive oriented night gobbo regiment. The great cave squig lord is better as an offensive cruise missile.

T6 still takes a wound from an S4 Great Weapon wielder on a 4+, though, and it'll negate the heavy armor component of his save. That's a lot of points to pay only to have someone still be able to down you if you flub the roll. I like it more on a mobile Orc who can pick and choose his fights, and also put real muscle behind those Impact Hits.

I agree that it is better on an orc. There is no denying that. I was just saying that it is not terrible on a gobbo if you stack the net bonus with it. It is still expensive, and not really at all optimal - but it is decent enough to prove useful and it can certainly be fun. The look on someones face when you tell him your gobbo is T7 this turn and their guy is netted and -1 str is pretty funny. Most people seem to be very surprised at how good goblin heroes can often be.

Agree. In a high point game, you can include an orc warboss on a boar and start stomping some units everywhere :D.

Happy to see they have uses! I'm hoping ebay will provide cheaper alternatives so I can fit them in after the basis of the army is there. Really liked the squig models since 4th so them and trolls I want in the army.
If nothing else, this shall be a laugh to play :D

I am a huge fan of the cave squig. I am currently running two lords in my army with them on cave squigs. They both amuse and annoy my opponents and lets face it if you are playing orcs and goblins as your main army for warhammer then you must have a sick sense of humor. The number of times the dice will screw you playing this army will drive you nuts if you are an overly serious player, so embrace the randomness!

i hate you.

i was all excited. what goes better with 40 squigs? more squigs!!!! YAY!

but no.
only pink horrors,

and an emptiness.

I'll second that wundapantz. I was all ready to praise Gork n Mork, but no. It was just Theo being a jerk. (Although, coincidentally, I am going to be using those as the basis for my Squigs).

Pink horrors are great material for squigs.

Here is one from warseer:


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...ral-O-amp-G-WIP

That is FANTASTIC. I think I know what I'll be doing for the Squig Herd I just added to my army. Thanks! :D

You will need to put some work in to get any variety in the squigs made from the horror kit - otherwise they will almost all end up looking roughly the same. But that kit is probably the best way to build plastic squigs.

If you are going to go that route I suggest you buy the Horrors as bitz from ebay. Since you will only use the heads and the bodies you can generally get the kit for half the price - which makes them very cheap alternatives for squigs.

The horror box can make about 10 squigs if you are willing to make the ones with beaks. If you don't like the beaks then you can get about 8 squigs from the box. That box costs $30 as opposed to the $22 for 5 metal squigs. But you can generally get the 10 horror bodies for $5 and the 10 heads for about $7 from bitz sellers (try Hoard 'o bits). So thats a bit less than half the cost of the horror box and cheaper than the cost of 5 squigs.

I picked up some of the horror bits a while back to make some squigs. I wanted them just for visual variety. I love the gw metal squigs (the old ones too!), but I don't like having too many of the same sculpt of anything in my army. I like variety.

I'm cool with them not having all that much variety, personally. I just want them to look like squigs and be in plastic. :)

I figured you were just looking at the cost savings. And in that regard I again recommend you get just the bitz you need for this conversion from ebay. All you want from the horror kit is the head and the body - and you can get those parts for at least half the cost of the full kit.

Roughly $13-$15 for 10 squigs is a pretty good deal.

:wub: Thanks for the link muscari! That looks better and will be way less work than the way I was going to do them.

@Cannibalbob: I get double use out of the Horror kit, as I use the arms for conversions in my Tzeentchian Daemons army, and all the tentacles as Nurglings in the same army. So I get 8 Squigs, 3 Nurgling bases, and a bunch of bits for the cost of the kit (about $26 on eBay)!

I'm a big "support your FLGS" kind of guy, so I'll pick them up there, especially since I totally forgot that the tentacles and the arms can be of use in other conversions. Thanks for that, Noisy Assassin.

Either way, this is something that falls in the "future projects" section, since priority 1 right now is getting my hands on a Nob kit to convert my Warboss out of. :)

Great idea! I have to try it some day :D.

what do i miss? why doesn't he allow any charge reaction? the shield gives a 1+ save against shooting!?

They´re/he´s referring to boss on cave squig. But you could read it like shield of ptalos doesnt allow charge reaction.

ok, but why doesn't a lord on cave squig allow any charge reaction? nevere read of anything like that

If you have random movement and move into an enemy it counts as a charge, and they get no charge reaction against it other than "hold". :)

Theo

Oh, yes, for sure. i forgot, random movement.
Thx