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 Kinesis Theory, indeedly, we have theories, precious
Draco_Platina
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 03:11 AM


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I am here to throw some theory at you.
1)Telekinesis is the base of all kinesis'.
-Think about it. Telekinesis is the movement of matter, yes? Geokinesis: moving earth(I think, I don't read about the fringe kinesis'). pyro/cryokinesis: the acceleration of atoms/molecules to produce heat. Areokinesis: the movement of air molecules. Hydrokinesis: the movement of water. Etc, etc. Strangely logical, no? Ah! but then you have your (light)kinesis and your (dark)kinesis and your botanakinesis. That leads to my next point...
2)Any 'kinesis' involving manipulation of something that is not matter, is not a real kinesis. It becomes Energy manipulation. The only exception is biokinesis... now, if you think about it, it is indeed a TK based skill, as you are manipulating matter... but you are manipulating far more than inert molecules, you are dealing with CELLS. With LIFE. This is where it becomes fuzzy. Technically, it is TK in a different form. But, you aren't doing the same thing as you would to move say, a psi wheel, are you? But, that will be saved until someone decides they want to discuss it....

That's all for now, folks, I hope I have made your brains work a litte harder than average. Feel free to dispute/agree/whatever the facts I lay before you.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my fear.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Athiril
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 03:17 AM


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this is true, as i have tried explaining to a couple 'o blockheads in palatium that telekinesis generates a kinetic energy/force (movement energy), and they are affecting the psiwheel on a physical level, if they move the psiwheel by any other means it is not telekinesis, as i tried explaining to them the fundamentality of kinetics.
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Draco_Platina
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 10:47 PM


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A bit of expanding on the kinesis theory: Psi energy (or what have you) acts as a catlyst to turn the potential energy of an object into directed kinetic energy, as well as converting directly to kinetic energy.
O_o unfortunately, I have no real way to test this. It is based on the observation that there is an net energy loss while preforming TK.


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I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

-- Litany against Fear from the Bene Gesserit rite
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Dannerz
  Posted: Feb 23 2007, 07:12 PM


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According to some physics dudes, there are just two types of energy in the universe:

Kenetic and Potential energy.


And of that kenetic, there are many many different kinds of moving or directional force.

Everything from gravity to heat can be considered a sort of "kenesis".

When I scanned different telekenetic people, and they also told me about their methods, I began to believe that this sort of thing can be done in many different ways.

For example, I have one friend whos method takes none of his energy to use. He just uses the energy of the object somehow... I think that's usually a gravity modulation. Another friend had to put his hands near the object to spin it, and used his own energy against the object. That was more like a kenetic beam. Another friend could make heat, but he caused friction in the atmosphere vai a certain kind of disruption, for this.

But I'd also go farther in saying, that a construct is also a form of kenesis. It took force/movement to bring each part together. Depending on what kind of view/language we use, all forms of energy manipulation may be considered somewhat kenetic.
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Draco_Platina
Posted: Feb 24 2007, 01:21 AM


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That makes sense, Dan. Do you have a source to cite for the 'some physics dudes' statement, though? If you do, you should edit it in.
The manipulation of energies, however, as an ends, is usually referred to as psychoenergetics.


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I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

-- Litany against Fear from the Bene Gesserit rite
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Dannerz
  Posted: Feb 25 2007, 08:57 AM


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QUOTE (Draco_Platina @ Feb 24 2007, 01:21 AM)
That makes sense, Dan. Do you have a source to cite for the 'some physics dudes' statement, though? If you do, you should edit it in.
The manipulation of energies, however, as an ends, is usually referred to as psychoenergetics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
http://www.answers.com/energy

"Some physics dudes"

Could also be worded as:

"Basically all physicists"
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Draco_Platina
Posted: Feb 26 2007, 01:44 AM


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This is truth.. I thought you were talking about someone specific. :d I guess I fail.


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I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

-- Litany against Fear from the Bene Gesserit rite
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QUOTE (Draco_Platina @ Feb 26 2007, 01:44 AM)
This is truth.. I thought you were talking about someone specific. biggrin.gif I guess I fail.

(There's a difference between failing and learning from a half-done-job.
I think people rarely ever fail in life, if they learn and remember.)

Back to subject:

The very concept of the word "Energy" has to do with "work", "change" and "motion".

Things such as gravity, mass, speed limit and reaction change on smaller scales. That's how a nano-particle of lead can act far differently than a micro particle of lead. And if there was a planet made of lead, this would also have a somewhat different behavioral set of physics.

That's because the behavior of matter and energy is very circumstantial. It's relative to how a force relates to other classes of force. Personal behavior/nature will change if the environment changes, also.

Part of the behavioral paradigm-shift can have to do with the degree and mass of force/energy.

So in these ways, very small-scaled PK has entirely different physical laws than larger-scaled PK. For example, I believe some can utilize "The Butterfly Effect", applying ultra-small amounts of force to a large area in a certain way, causing chain reactions, to control an entire weather-cloud, or the direction of a large worldly event. And at the same time, though such people can do something "huge" with their PK, they cannot push a rock around or open a door psycho-kenetically.

The universe is arguablly made of motion. Different kinds of motion, but essentailly, it is motion. Reflections between senses, are movements. Time could be considered a stream and infrastructure of movement. And there are formats of movement which the logical mind may not even be able to fathom, in certain "dimensions" which are classifications of behavior.

As any motion can be moved by other motion. Anything can become anything else. Energies can be transmuted. Example: The light released when you burn a log of wood. Was that wood moving at the speed of light before you burnt it? Or part of it moves that way after?

So, this transmutable anythingness is holographically compressed, piled, gathered, released, focused, disrupted, and outpoured in an unlimited variety of styles. Eventually we come up with the seporatising concepts of matter and energy being "different". "This" and "that" is different in the same way that all various animals are seen as "different species". Even though, at the root, they are still made of cells, and beneith that, they are made of the same elemental energy.

Stereotypes help the mind to think faster, it's a form of knowledge-organization...

People can call anything PK, or they can say it is not PK, depending upon their world-view and mental process. But at the most fundamental and tiny levels, everything is the same, and "all is one", so-to-speek.


...Direct telepathy with spirits is so much easier than the reduced and symbolic holoness of word. But at the same time, I'm glad I have a language. Here you go, I've tried to express a bit of my "thoughts".
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