Starting a fantasy army

I want to start an ogre kingdom army, other than ogre bulls and the army book (duh?), what other purchases do I need to buy to make a decent list?

thanks

I just like to share. One of my gaming buddy started his OK army just this year. He is doing well in our previous games. Seeing his OK army in the field is really intimidating.. So far he pruchased these units as a starter.

1 Battalion Box - Solid core units, you can use everything in it. (I told him to add more Bulls and Guts)
1 Firebelly - His choice as L&H (Fire Spells)
1 Box of MournFang Cav (for flanking and harassing purposes)
1 Box of Iron Blaster - His long range weapon aside from the leadbelchers
1 Blister of Gorger - For WM hunting purposes (Though I told him IMO Hunter and Sabretusk are much better for this purpose)

Now he is still beefing up his OK army.

Is an ogre kingdom army pocket-friendly? I was thinking of starting fantasy too, but I was thinking high elves or Brets because they seem the equivalents of space marines (most compact).

Depending on how the other army books come out, Ogre Kingdoms might be the next Dark Elves. Some say it's sort of payback for being a mediocre army for a long time.

Not sure if it's cheaper, GW prices things based on how many points it is in game. Only thing I know for certain is that horde armies are more expensive.

DE being?

Typically used.

Bulls
Ironguts
Mournfang Cavalry
Maneaters and Sabre Tusks

Not true

Cases in point - fenrisian wolves, IG valkyrie, sisters of battle, teclis... and so on...

how about noblars? knoblars? I want to use them. Wala kasi ako book so I dont know what to buy eh... another question, bakit walang naglalaro ng beastmen? if in any case baka yun na lang gawin ko... hehehe

Maybe like DE, OK can also be a competitive MSU type of an army.

how about noblars? knoblars? I want to use them. Wala kasi ako book so I dont know what to buy eh... another question, bakit walang naglalaro ng beastmen? if in any case baka yun na lang gawin ko... hehehe

Kasi Beastmen units are SOOO overpriced. Sila nga ang BEASTS dapat pero monster like the Hydra, Hellpit Abo, Salamanders etc etc are better than them. They really don't have armor nor toughness kaya mas mahirap sila gamitin pero angmaganda sila ok ang synergy ng magic sa kanila with Shadow, Beast and Life(tama ba). Knoblars aren't really need as much pero again since Fantasy to you can proabably squeeze them in as redirectors or throwaway units. Some people also use yung Lead Belchers kasi nga they got better pero personally I prefer Manhunter/eaters talaga. Avoid Yhettes, sa dami ng flaming attacks ngayon saka sprinkles of anti fast unit shooters medyo di sila worth it imo.

Di ko alam kung macaclassify ko na MSU ang laro ng OK kasi sa points per model at buffs nila pag ranked I don't know. Pede din pero you still ahve to have a unit of 6 Bulls/Guts or the likes just to have an anchor.

Ok, salamat pre... kaya pala walang nagbeastmen...

so far my options are:

Ogre Kingdoms - I want a small but tough army na kahit papano you can still with it, and I love the models.

Orcs and Goblins - I really like orcs even in 40k, I love their fluff (but don't have any idea if they are also the same in fantasy). at the same time you can have fun painting and converting them.

Beastmen - don't have the slightest idea why I like them goats, maybe because nobody plays them.

Wood elves - same as beastmen, although I think they're harder to play than the beastmen.

Deamons- because I can use them both in fantasy and 40k....

from these list, maybe you can give me a breif pros and cons of each army.

thanks

ganda ng mournfang cav pare.

OK i personally think its literally hammer + anvil. mahal parin ang ogres to build up enough ranks to break steadfast. so you could use gnoblars hitting the enemy flank to break steadfast.

masmaganda ang ironguts imho (you can always convert kaw pa lol) 3 S6 attacks per model a lot better than 3 S4.

kung kaya baka you can make 2 12 man squad of ogre bulls to act as the anvil and have one 6-9 man unit of ironguts and mournfang running around as hammer. pero mahal nga lang ang 12 bulls lol

hahaha... that's what I'm thinking. I might use my store credit for fantasy stuff.

well daemons ako since I have a lot of them with me right now and the book is nice, also they can be played both 40k and Fantasy so walang talo in terms of bang for buck! and SO far in the 40k aspect I have a strong feeling that daemons have what it takes wala lang kasi gumagamit...for fantasy nuff said

When their 7th ed. army book came out DE changed from being a not very popular army to one of the top choices for a competitive one. Of the 8th ed. armies I don't see empire, orcs, or tomb kings becoming like that.

Ogres are awesome. Take it from someone who just started this year and am fielding a tournament army soon.

Re: gnoblars, good anti-horde solution. Ten-man 50 point unit forces each model in charging unit to take dangerous terraintest. Bonus: doesn't cause panic, even to other gnoblars! So good redirecting unit.

For OK, Easy on the pocket, when it comes to core, kasi good deal yung battalion. If you can find the old 2009 battalion, thats a really good deal. Problema lang, to be competetive you probably also want:

Ironblasters (2)
Mournfangs (4-6)
At least 1 each of butcher/slaughtermaster
At least 1 firebelly (2 optimal)
Sabretusks (2-4)
1 tyrant/bruiser

And all those (except IB) are finecast.

For toys you don't NEED but are for the fun non-tourney alt lists, you probably also want the maneaters (6 different models, plus the hero Golgfag, though medyo vital sila in some army lists)
Yhetees
Gorgers

Guess what, all finecast again.

If you start with a definite list in mind, mabilis lang gumawa ng high point army, since your average hero is about 250 points with equipment. Also, kakalabas lang ng Ogre Kingdoms, so there's still a lot of good cheap selling going on in ebay (ebay UK is your friend)

But the models are awesome, and it's easy to get a fully painted army out.

GO FATTIES!

Oi dami na nagfafantasy... Ako din starting ng DE galing ke mark... hehe

Fantasy is very dynamic. iba ung feel niya to 40k not only aesthetically but tactically. its so freaking awesome seeing a fully painted fantasy armies going at it. feels like Rome: Total War (in a fantasy setting of course).

ako to be honest i'm hooked on it too. its not as forgiving as 40k pero pulling your plan off in a battle is very rewarding. lalong lalo na fantasy can be won sa deployment pa lang

Thanks for the info, I think I might stick with OK and would probably start building it. I dont have problems with characters as I can just use the regular bulls and sculpt whatever I need...

@raven:
- start na rin kayo ng fantasy army niyo, maybe we can play a NEWBIE games to familiarize ourselves with the rules, kahit 1k points lang muna...

My humble opinion


Ogre Kingdoms -

PROS-Got improved in the new book. Takes advantage of a lot of 8th edition rules such as ranked monsterous infantry. Lots of cool models. Mournfang Cavalry for the laughzors. Effective core and unique special unit rules. Not a lot of people use them thus their tactics are not so known, suprise dem hummies. Good overall stats + good movement makes for a surprisingly fast army that impact hits you silly. Low model count. Specialized units.

CONS-Low initiative and moderate toughness. Still falls to canons (what doesn't anyway). Low model count. Specialized units.

Orcs and Goblins -

PROS- OnG, the rugged horde army. Takes full advantage of 8th editionrules. Wide unit selection that caters to your style of play. Lots of throw away units (100 man unit of Night Goblins)along with a lot of heavy hitting ones (Black Orcs FTW). Decent Magic with potential of clearing units of the board. Lots of cheap force multipliers via cheap characters. Nasty tricks with Fanatics, Squigs, magic and banners. Lotsa bodies. Can stand toe to toe with most horde armies and have enough units to keep MSU elite armies busy.

CONS- Animosity can still run your plans. Leadership can be an issue at times. Certain lists can no brainers, you can identify which units to take out and which to ignore. Lotsa bodies, paint em till you ache!

Beastmen -

PROS - Good overall army synergy. Not a lot of people use them, life is like a box of chocolates. Cool monsters and very cool models. Has a lot of Anvil and Hammer switch ups depending on magic lore taken. Lots of possible redirectors and disruption units.

CONS- overcosted units with low toughness and no armor. Suffered from edition transition.

Wood elves -

PROS- Good looking models bar the War Riders. Challenging to play with unique fluff. Very annoying playstyle that requires finesse amongst all the WFHB armies (similar to DE in 5-6th edition).

CONS- Just not made to compete with 8th edition rules. Needs total revamp. To be honest if you love the models and fluff go ahead, they will be worth it but if you want to be competitive, WE are probably the least of the lot. If they do get a new AB expect them to be really good though.

Deamons-

PROS - Strong unit choices all around the AB. Army wide ward save mitigates the amount or armor reduction/ignoring units/ spells and high amount of high strength attacks abundant in this edition. Access to the strongest lores in this edition. Some armies still have a hard time against a Bloodthirster. Cool looking models. Small model count. Easy to play.

CONS - Depending on your list, chances are you will still most likely gravitate towards close combat and when you do go down that route, you will suffer slightly in the other phases of the turn. Bloodthirsters are expected to be auto-take thus when you take one, a seasoned opponent will have the means and ways to take care of them. Small model count. Prepare to be mocked at being one of the armies that broke 7th edition.

depende...bloodthirsters are not auto take..

I am building my daemons up again, and I am looking for ways to grab all 4 greater daemons to test somethings out and I believe that each greater daemon is equal in terms of power and capability, bloodthirsters are just so easy to field nung 7th ed kaya auto take cya....but in 8th madaming nagbago so my take is any of the 4 gods of chaos are all on equal footing

Nagiging auto take BT kasi well pogi model e. Saka cympre kahit sino naman pag sinabi mo Deamons diba parang "shet I wanna use a BT". 80% chance cguro BT against everything else. Ako personally sunod saBT I would use GUO.