Will CoreFusion X EVER get his engine done?

I honestly don't know, and IMO I doubt it will get finished..
But these things take a ton of time, especially if you have
a job, school, or after school activities.

Lol.

Let's be honest. The MP2D demo, where it currently stands is a miracle in itself. I've never seen a fangame done so well with all custom sprites, backgrounds, and environments. If it ever is finished, it will be something truly epic.

But really, if the demo has already run out of steam, there's no way in hell a full game could be complete without financial motivation (PAY ME!!). Not to say its impossible, since most of the resources are already complete, and it just needs to be programmed. If CFX hired a team of about 20 decent devoted programmers, it could be done, but I dont see how it's possible otherwise.

We still need 80% of the resources for the game. Releasing it now means waiting another few years for MP2D anyway. Why not keep improving it until we have enough resources to actually do something with it?

daz said you had almost 100% of the sprites completed. how in the world do you only have 20% of the resources?

Yeah, I love Kraft Dinner.

Anyways.. In my opinion, I dont even mind if the game never gets done. I've had a lot of good memories here. Besides.. I don't even like Metroid anymore..

I'm afraid I'm also turning toward that road... Metroid just
isn't what it used to be, I'm starting to enjoy other games alot more.

Well, maybe we'd have 50% of the resources if most of them didn't need redoing. Plus my estimate was weighted--giant bosses and creatures with many poses count more than small and simple things that anyone can make in a few minutes. We're missing all of our biggest bosses, our tile sheets are very incomplete, we hardly have any backgrounds, tons of things need redoing, etc. etc. We don't even have lists of what all we have to do or even what's been done already, other than for music.

20% sounds about right ot me. We probably have 75% Sprites, which 30% of those need redoing, we have like 10% Backgrounds, 50% music, 50% tiles which 25% need redoing... 2% Tilemaps which needs to be mostly redone. >_< 100% maps which 50% need redoing. We just can't get anything right the first time. =P

You guys disgust me. Ive checked up on mp2d about every other week, and have seen no progress at all in the past few weeks, maybe longer. That doesnt mean you should start loosing interest in Metroid all together though. (Im sorry, but im a hardcore metroid fan and i just dont like seeing people post things like that. lol) It makes me think this fangame is giving metroid a bad name though. I think this projects' failure (near failure, for those who still have hope.) is mostly due to the people who sat around the forums doing nothing to support the game, and complaining about how long its taking to finish 2% of the game. And others who though, helping the game somewhat complain about how they have a life and it doesnt revolve around this game and blah blah blah. Games like this take a dedicated team working hard for as many hours as they can put into it. Metroid Prime was made by a huge team (huge compared to this one.) they were all completly dedicated to their work and they spent huge amounts of their time to finish that work. And look how long it took them. Years, of hard work is what it takes to make a great game. Alot of people dont realize this when they start a game that will 90% of the time fail to ever launch. Organization also plays a huge roll in whether a game will be successful or not. In my opinion, a forum open to the public isnt the best place to have resources that can easily be stolen and/or lost. Which doesnt help organization at all. And i realize i may come off as thinking i "know it all". but really, i know i make the same mistakes any normal person would make. This long thought out post ive just typed is just another opinion, one of many that have been posted in the past, and that will be posted in the future. Now to prevent anyone reading this from having massive eye damage, I will close this statement in hopes that one day someone will start a metroid prime fangame, and finish it.

-DarkHunter16

Quoted for truth.

Metroid hasn't had a good game since Prime. That was 2002. After 5 years without a good game, fans loose interest. A series needs to keep getting good games.

But the people's lack of interest shouldn't last forever. The fanbase of Metroid was pretty weak in between Super and Prime, but it sparked again.

Yes, strike us down for having an opinion.

>_>

You do realize Dragon isn't part of the team, right? And he never will be.

As for the second part of your post, you have to realize this is an amateur game that's coordinated, advertisted, created, and obsessed over ONLINE. Of course we're going to post our resources online, and of course it's going to take us a while to finish. You're comparing us to grown-up professionals who earn money for making games.
Well, we're not grown-up (most of us) we're not professionals (none of us), and we're not earning a single cent for this. So back off.



You too, Vurt. <<;

My post wasnt intended to piss you off, or put you down. Considering how many times its been mentioned, and how obvious it is considering the quality of the game (no offence) I do realize this is an amateur game made by non-profited un professional programmers spriters ect. Thats the the reason I posted this long paragraph. If you really think about wut i said in my post, you would realize that it is aimed toward people who think they know how much time, dedication and hard work it takes to make a really good game. Then because they feel the game should be made faster (once again not knowing how long it really does take.) They complain and complain, until eventually due to their own impatience and lack of knowledge about game development, they loose interest. My point is, that alot of the time, fangames get canned because people loose interest in them or get tired of waiting. But this is all due to, yet again, their lack of knowledge about game development and because of this lack of knowledge, they tend to underestimate the time and work needed to actually finish a game. They assume it is due to the creator that the game is not yet at the point which they are expecting it to be. When, in fact it is they who are mistaken as to how long it should take. Until you actually create a game yourself, only then do you have a better understanding of game development. But even then most think they can just snap their fingers and create the best game ever. So they make forums and websites and tell everyone about this great game they are/going to make. Then when they try to actually make it, they finally realize, this game is actually too much for them to handle. I speak all this from expierience. Just look at my dumb little starfox fangame i tried to make. I made a demo that I thought was sooooo friggin awesome. And others enjoyed it too. Well, it wasnt until I realized theres no way I can make a full scale game without over 90% of the stuff I still needed to make. Thats when I saw why so many fangames never actually made it all the way. So, basically my post was just to make a point which not many ever actually think about nor do they realize. And I apologize for my last post to those of you who took it wrong. I was just trying to share my thoughts on fangames with others in hopes maybe they would understand wut im trying to say. I wasnt comparing you guys to anyone. Well, I was in a way. But not putting you down, only to get others to realize that you are not professionals. And I also apologize for my annoyingly long posts. >_> My thoughts are pouring right out of my head and onto the keyboard. lol

Wait, so your saying that because Im losing interest in Metroid (and MP2D
for that matter) that means I'm some impatient n00b who doesn't undsterand
game development? That is just rediculis. I have had projects I have made
in the past, so I do understand how long it can take for a good fangame to be released. The reason I am losing interest in Metroid is because they simply
are not making games that appeal to me anymore. It happens to alot of people.
The reason I am losing faith in MP2D is because the project is going very slowly,
and it's taking an extream ammount of time to release a real demo.

Again, I know these things take a bunch of time, but going so long without any
updates or screens or anything for that matter makes me feel like I'm sitting
here waiting for a seed to grow into a tree (lame I know, don't get on my case about it >_>). I will always be a fan of MP2D, but right now I'm just waiting
for something to actually happen.

Next Gen+School+Midterms=Slow pace.

Wow I lost interest in Metroid awhile ago... doesn't seem to have the same replay value as C-S, WC3, or GW. But meh, I'm still waiting for M: Prime 3. I think most of us here knows what it is like to make a fan game/indie game, so don't say shit about how everyone doesn't know what it is like to make a game.

except you DON'T know how it is to make a game.

How many of you have worked profesionally as programmer/developer?

You have no experience in the field, and for most of you, knowledge is rather, read, incredibly, limited.

So, you don't know how it is to make a REAL indie game.
The amount of effort and money it requires would make your heads spin.

Have you worked professionally on a game? I'm talking about fangames... Just because I'm not building the game from scratch doesn't mean a thing.

Jeez people. Didnt i say i was just expressing my thoughts? You guys take offense at evrything. Ive been away from mp2d for a VERY long time, gaining knowledge about game development. I dont even friggin know everything there is to know about pro games. But i know enough not to complain about little fangames like this one. You dont go complaining to the pros when they delay your fav game for a while because they want to make it better. Why complain about amateurs? Maybe they would like to spend more time putting detail into their work. I just think kinda stupid to loose interest because YOU think its taking too long

quote:
"Wait, so your saying that because Im losing interest in Metroid (and MP2D
for that matter) that means I'm some impatient n00b who doesn't undsterand
game development? That is just rediculis. I have had projects I have made
in the past, so I do understand how long it can take for a good fangame to be released."

You know wuts funny? I didnt even mention you. I didnt mention any names at all, not remotely. I said people. But you just kinda put yourself right in there just now by stating that i was talking about you. And, btw, i wasnt being serious when i said you guys disgust me. (i did put an lol at the end, even said sorry) I was just disappointed that metroid was loosing fans.
Dont take it personally, i wasnt putting you down for your opinion.

"You guys disgust me." etc. Sure sounds like it.

ALSO, FOR GOD'S SAKE, LEARN TO USE PARAGRAPHS.

Walls of text are NOT fun to read. -_-

(And yes, I know your last post was better, but the other two were fucking annoying, and I forgot to mention it then. >_>)

lol, sorry for that, i kinda just kept typing and didnt realize i had just typed a huge wall of text.

And i already said i was joking about the not interested in metroid thing.

Well, you quoted him and another person, responded to their opinion, made a lot of judgments about people with their opinion, and then explained how much you can't stand people with the traits you described. That's something most people would take offense to, even if you never actually said their names.

Im kind of disappointed how you guys are taking this. If you take offense at wut im saying thats your problem, I already said more than enough times that i was only expressing MY opinion on things. Doesnt mean you have to agree with me.

I left MP2D because i didnt like how rediculus some members here were. Then I decided to come back and maybe post here and there and help with the project some more if it gets back on track. But I can see nothing has changed. So i guess i can leave again. Already. :cry:

Help? Some more?
When've you even tried to help? >_>

Not much, i made the health refill sprites that are in the current demo. I planned on doing more but i decided i needed more spriting expierience first.
Which i must say im quite a bit more expierienced at spriting now so i could do some more stuff. Problem is it seems like the only things left to do are the really big stuff like the bosses. Which im still not very good at doing. But there are quite alot of random scenery that still need done for the different parts of the game. Other wise the areas would be pretty bare.

But i think that more help is needed in the programming area. Im not as advanced as the programmer(s) who have worked on the game so far. But i guess thats because i specialize more in effects, particles and cutscenes. There are other tings i can program too, i just cant really think of any examples right now as im at school and i have other things on my mind.

Im currently workng on m own metroid platform engine for a unique metroid game that i would like to at least start. I hope to gain much expierience from dealing with all the problems in making a metroid game. My graphics are going to consist of the actual models from prime so itll be all programming and levels designing and stuff. Thats wut i originally thought an MP2D game should have. The actual models instead of having to sprite massive amounts of objects characters enemies all of which take much longer to sprite than to simply program.

But anyways im rambbling on again. i hope we can put this rediculus argument to rest and try to work on how we are going to ressurrect MP2D.

*spelling (for the whole post, lol)

You can't help with programming >_>
Period.

EDIT: Leastways, not with MetEngine. If you wanna bring DF's engine to completion or something, I guess that's a more open-ended question.

well, of course. I just wanna help with what ever i can i guess. Is anyone really still working on the project still though?

Destroyer F is CoreFusionX still working on his engine on MP2D?

guys stop putting him down its just his opinion!
dh it was a bit rude what you said,
but hes right you guys are taking this way too personally

I thought we were burrying that? So yeah, its not a problem anymore. >_>

i think i posted that in other place in the forums, but i will post again:

doukutsu monogatari (cave story) is a fan game that "one" guy made, it took 5 years to complete, with a simple graphic and very shot music that keeps looping, but altough the game is not good in that department (graphics and sounds) the game was great, and soon was the best fangame around, now, the game will be released to PSP...

the same happened with alien hominid...

the thing is, a game with the graphics and sound of MP2D will take almost 3 times to be finished, counting that is only one guy making, i don't the number of ppl that's helping making it, but i think, in the end that it will spend more 3 years to be complete... if we lose your hope, then the game will fail...

about losing interest in metroid, between SM e MP we have 8 years, then they released MP, everyone had gone crazy with the game, get a 10 in EGM and all, then, they(the ones that made MP) said "wow, if one game makes all this, imagine 10!" and they started making metroid games, one after another, conclusion, every series that launch one game after another will become stupid, and that happened with metroid too, MP2 was a crap and metroid fusion destroyed the possibility of a decent sequel, metroid hunters is a failure to me, the only one that was good was zero mission, why? because its the remake of a already good game... soo every one that is saying that is lossing interest, is that ppl that became fan only after prime, that don't even played Metroid 1 and Metroid 2.

soooo, after the "wall of text of boredom" i think i can finish with this phrase:

"its not easy to make games, so, before we start to say that this will not be finished, let's try to help, even if is only a moral help"

let's try to help, in anything you can, this game will kick ass, i know it, let's make somehing to help it reach the "final release" ^_~V

Did anyone ever mention to you that you make no sense at all? Like I understand the message in the post but the post itself is ?????????????

....o.O
Talk about walls of text, your no better!
And im going to attempt to get this topic back where it was by saying once more to END THE DAMN CONVERSATION. Its rediculus. I didnt continue on rambling pointless things (yes i admit they were sumwut pointless) I posted a few paragraphs attempting to bring a point across. Nobody wanted to hear my sh*, so i ended it. Then you guys waltz in here and bring it up again. So thats it, no more about game development, how long it takes, and no more about my walls of friggin text! -.-

Destroyer F has not replied my question and I am worried about MP2D not beig a full game 100%. Please tell me that Metroid Prime 2D will be alright.

I have no idea, CFX and I work seperate on mp2d, I dont know his progress. You can ask him, but he doesn't share much info on his work, for his own personal reasons. So your question will most likely remain unanswered, sorry.

Yea well I don't check every topic daily. If you got a question directed at me personally, pm me. MP2D will be alright as long as there are still people interested in it.

If your only asking CFX, why would you post it in a topic? PM him!

Holy crap, DH is right. Go fig. >_>;;

All kidding aside, he has a point--public topics are not for private communication with single members.