Zelink vs Link/instert name *SPOLIERS*

Ahaha, the first time I heard that song, I burst out laughing and listened to it all night. XD

Just to clarify, they're not tights. ;3 The "tights" that are seen in many medieval clothing (especially with tunics) were actually thin pants (leggings).

And yeah.. well, I wouldn't doubt that Link had more... "mature" feelings. I mean, yeah, his expression when he saw busty, grown up Ruto? Definite "whoa" on his part. He even blushes and is taken back a bit when Twinrova winks at him. He had his share of adult moments, I'm sure. But that's what contributes to his awkwardness, yeah?

I'm sure OoT/MM Link felt sexual urges or desires, but like MalonsLover pointed out, he has the whole "purity" thing going on.

......on another note, a bit off topic, buuut.... well, after he's sent back to his own time, we know he goes back to Zelda and tells her everything that happened in his quest. It isn't until years later that Ganon is executed. So, like KokirianClockwork pointed out, Ganon more than likely did some amount of damage in that time frame. Obviously not as much as he accomplished during Link's OoT quest, but it was still enough, I'm sure. When he does actually get executed, the 7 sages are there. WHO ARE THEY?! Are they the sages that Link had to awaken in his OoT quest? If they are, hooooow did they awaken as sages this time? If they aren't the same ones, could they sages before the OoT ones' (Ruto, Nabooru, etc. etc) time? Remember that gossip stone that said Kaepora Gaebora was a reincarnation of a sage? Maybe, if Nabooru, Impa, etc. didn't become sages and previous ones existed, then he'd be one of those previous sages?

OMGGGGGG... @_@

Mandy: I LOVE THAT MOVIE!

Zeruda: Yeah, it makes brains go wild.
Also to think that the door of time was opened anyway. Why if they knew something bad would happen? How come they didn't know Ganondorf had the Triforce too in the TP flashback? Does that mean someone else broke it? Would be fun to think Link broke it, somehow not a pure heart anymore, but I doubt it. I think.
I tend to think Link's Triforce was passed down to him.
Or maybe it happened like in AoL? They were just destined to have it and so the symbol appeared and so Ganondorf still was somehow blessed? I remember hearing about blessings, but nothing about anyone truly bearing the Triforce in TP.

The TP sages all looked like old men. *Nods* I'm having a hard time seeing the OoT sages react and act the way the TP ones did.
Or Nintendo just decided to ignore some details and throw it out at us.
D:< (Won't be surprised if they did.)

Back on topic, almost... OoT Link's insides:
That would make great links to that analysis on Majora's Mask, y'know, with all the masks and their meanings, starting with the Deku Scrub (small wood boy that reminds me of the tale of Pinocchio and its psychanalysis) and ending with Fierce Deity (tall, powerful being that must be controlled. Why, grown boys do indeed need to control themselves a lot. But details are unnecessairy *looks at MalonsLover* Also, acquired after giving up on -almost- all the other masks. Don't know about you but this reminds me of what it takes to become a complete adult: leaving a lot of fun things behind and starting off with a feeling of emptiness).

I'm loving this.

The whole sages thing in TP was really a curve ball >.< They looked nothing like how we saw the sages from OoT! Perhaps they're just spirits or spiritual representations of past sages; I dunno what else. Maybe having the "old men" look for the sages was a nod in the direction of ALttP because in that game it was also assumed/known that the sages were old men as well. Although it was -really- need to see the OoT sages in Windwaker in the stained glass; so cool *o*

As far as OoT/MM!Link's triforce piece goes... when Zelda sent him back in time, his piece separated from his body and broke into the pieces you have to collect in TWW. SO! When he goes back to his own time, the triforce is still untouched in the Temple of Time. That's why you don't see him bearing it in Majora's Mask... but we know Ganon managed to break back into the ToT anyway, as we can see the symbol on his hand. Maybe OoT/MM!Link got the courage piece again, maybe not... we don't know, but if he did, I doubt it could be passed down through his bloodline. Zelda's, possible.... On the TWW side of the timeline, Tetra got it from her mother. It wasn't born into her, mind you, but she still had it passed down to her... so it's possible that way. As far as Link goes, TP!Link had the symbol on the TP side of the timeline, but they never told us HOW he got it. I have a feeling it must have been born into him somehow.... who knows. Geez, way to slack off on details, Nintendo.

But TRULY back on topic, ZeLink vs (insert pairing) will almost always work. At the same time, (insert pairing) will always work against ZeLink. I'm a sucker for fairytales, really. In pretty much every single TLoZ, there's a logical reason as to why it would be possible for the pairing to work out. Examples:

TP!Zelda x TP!Link vs TP!Link x Ilia
I've already pointed out how Zelda and Midna are two sides of the same coin, so if it could work with Midna, then it could work with Zelda. Obvious signs of emotion between Link and Midna, and Zelda was part of Midna at those times. With Ilia, there were also obvious signs of emotion- they were practically forcefed to us. Link and Ilia definitely had something at the start, and even the thought of Ilia waiting for Link makes Link smile (as we see in the regaining memory scene). But Midna leaves to her place of belonging- her own realm. Likewise, Ilia already has a place of belonging- Ordon Village. Link ends up leaving Ordon. The option to be with Zelda still remains. He'd have freedom if he needed it, because Zelda is the ruler (and actually, it's the first time Zelda is a ruler in the games) of Hyrule, and she can do well herself. The relationship enables both characters to have their independence and separate roles while still being able to focus on a romance. In the case of a solo ruler and a wayfaring hero, I think that'd suit both of them.

But that's just one example. There are many, many more. There aren't really any cases where ZeLink isn't possible except for the OoT>>pre-TWW-flood side of the timeline: in that case, after Zelda sends Link back to his own childhood, she's still there as an adult... without him. Ganon breaks loose, and Link is nowhere to be found because he's no longer in that timeline. So, OoT>>pre-TWW-flood Zelda is pretty much alone... withoooout her heroooo... if Tetra is born into the royal family, though, Zelda would've had to marry somebody.

From what has been told to me more than once, WW Link and I think Tetra as well, descended from Adult Timeline Zelda who theoretically married a nobleman/prince? Who knows..but it was not Link for sure. So Zelink in the OOT world can only happen in the split Child Timeline. All I know is that its canon that Adult Timeline Zelda never ended up with Link. AWWWW But I still think OOT/MM LinkxZelda as normally matured adults in the Child Timeline have a more realistic chance for marriage than TP LinkxZelda. I think TP Link and Zelda can still be romantically involved as you say but never married with the whole commoner/royal issue that seems more of an obstacle in TP than it does in OOT/MM IMO.

And maybe TP was just an excuse to stop people from complaining on how they needed a hot ''mature-looking'' Link in a ''mature-looking'' game, thus just throwing in random references about the Zelda games before it.
But that's boring.
All in all TP's also both the anti ZeLink's dream (with Midna and Ilia on sight. Hena and Ashei for those who want to be ''original'') and the ZeLinker's (Link's touching stares, them touching hands, them on horseback. Very few moments, but the standard fairy tale does have the hero take the girl away on horseback.)



Thinking about it, if Wind Waker has had an artstyle like Twilight Princess, my guess is it would've been rated as a slightly more mature game. It's depressing to see the Hyrule we worked so hard to save being in ruins underwater. It was disturbing to see Ganondorf's violence. When making links with OoT, we end up imagining Zelda's despair and loneliness when Ganondorf appears again. Although I like to think it happened after her death, it was still awful for the people of old Hyrule.

Just rewriting my thoughts on the subject, hoping to bring something new but knowing it's next to impossible now:
At first I did like the other pairings a lot (MaLink and MidLink amongst others) without denying ZeLink (after all those X-Play parodies I've seen, drunk Link screaming ''ZELDAAA'' was just to priceless to be forgotten). I was playing TP (my first Zelda) and by curiosity, knowing there were Zelda mangas out there, I've tried the OoT manga. I've found MaLink to be really cute but all in all, the manga was kinda forgettable and also a little confusing since I hadn't played OoT back then.
When I did play OoT, it was after finishing TP and weirdly, it's the tiny ''ZeLink'' moments in TP that made me start putting the other pairings aside.
Step by step, the more arguments I've heard against ZeLink, the more I loved it.
Playing OoT, I was deceived there weren't as many MaLink hints as most fans made me believe. Link and Saria was a cute couple, but I quickly gave up on that idea since Saria will never grow up and since Link will... I don't want to imagine that.
But going through that game my ZeLink cord strenghtened just because -I- was also eager to see the princess again, forgetting the manga since it didn't exactly follow the game. And while some people were annoyed at Zelda stopping and gasping whenever Link was hurt by falling rocks near the end of the game, while I also laughed and shouted ''c'mon princess, move movemove! damn it!'', I actually find it to be a touching detail. And I can't recall another character who openly showed concern about Link's safety. I mean REALLY.
I made the mistake to start playing Majora's Mask immedietaly after finishing Ocarina of Time. I almost cried, even with those outdated graphics.
Playing Wind Waker, I admit I did find Link and Medli cute, but the scene where she leaves to complete her work as a new sage and Komali appears was a silent, indirect and sad moment that made me totally forget about the cuteness. Medli and Komali ftw.
And Tetra, dear Zelda, the princess finally being herself while still showing how authority runs through her veins was an interesting and endearing character that showed great attachment towards Link without the need for any romantic scenes. Personally that's the kind of ZeLink I prefer; innocent and unclear yet playful and teasing. Doesn't mean ''adult'' Link X ''adult'' Zelda isn't cool.
And then there was the Minish Cap.
Cutest. Thing. Ever.

Seriously, even Link X Ilia once sounded cute (got so much into the game I had forgotten I tend to dislike characters like Ilia), but now I'm convinced she's meant to represent how Link changed.
He loved her, but he wasn't IN love with her.
Link had started as a random pretty boy for me. As I started to like him I thought he was cute with Ilia. As I started to see him grow I decided he shouldn't be staying in Ordon.
When Midna broke the mirror I understood she couldn't just take him with her into the Twilight nor stay with him for she has her people to lead.
I still find it hard to imagine TP Link and Zelda hooking up.
But somehow, it's the TP hints that started to strenghten the ZeLink for me.




Edit:

I don't think WW Link and Tetra are related in any way. I've yet to see where that theory comes from.

KokirianClockwork: ....are you reading my mind? Seriously. I don't even know what to say now. You said it all for me. I'm high-fiving you from afar.

TO KOKIRIAN CLOCKWORK

I'm unsure on the whole Link and Tetra being descended from OOT Zelda. Even if they were, their bloodlines would be far removed from incest anyway. With WW Link there is dialogue with Jabun I believe that says WW Link was descended from a sage. More likely it was Zelda.

You make sense on the TP LinkxZelda being that much more special IF they do hook up. But more than likely they would be unmarried lovers at best. Though I have gone on record to express my personal opinion that OOT/MM LinkxZelda = Well spoken royal princess with soft spoken and gentle natured forest savage is an odd romantic mismatch. But when you compare the close friendship/relationship in OOT/MM to formal aquaintances in TP, OOT/MM LinkxZelda seems to be the more BELIEVABLE LinkxZelda pairing.

Conversation between King of Red Lions and Jabun:
Jabun: (Translated) Well met, Hyrule King!
King of Red Lions: Well met indeed, Jabun. I am pleased to see that you are safe...
Jabun: (Translated) The events which we have long feared seem to have been set into motion.
King of Red Lions: Yes, it seems Ganon has returned. There can be no other explanation.
Jabun: (Translated) If you have sought me out...it must mean you have found the Hero of Time, does it not?
King of Red Lions: Unfortunately, that is not so.
Jabun: (Translated) Then for what purpose have you come to see me?
King of Red Lions: The one I have brought with me has no connection to the legendary one. And yet I sense great promise in the courage that this one possesses.
Jabun: (Translated) Promise? You suggest that I leave the fate of Hyrule up to chance?
King of Red Lions: I do. It is the only way.
Jabun: (Translated) I see. Then I suppose it is up to the gods to deem whether his courage is true. I give to you the guidepost to the gods.
You'll get Nayru's Pearl. Link starts to sail away.
Jabun: (Translated) This jewel should dispel the curse that Ganon has cast upon this land.
King of Red Lions: So...that foul rain and endless night were indeed elements of a curse brought on us by Ganon! He must intend to cast this land into pure darkness for all time...
Jabun: (Translated) Tell me, Hyrule King... Have you learned the whereabouts of the one who carries on the bloodline of the princess, Zelda?
King of Red Lions: ...I believe I have.
Jabun: (Translated) That is well. You must protect Zelda. She cannot be permitted to fall into the hands of Ganon. I am counting on you!

TWW!Zelda is indeed of OoT!Zelda's bloodline. Link, however, is not. He is, according to Ganon, the Hero of Time, but reborn:
Ganon: Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn...
This does not, however, mean reborn as in reincarnation. It is the essence of the Hero (Hero of Time, in this case) that is reborn into a totally different Link, TWW!Link. We all know that OoT!Zelda was alone after sending Link back to his own time, so it would not be possible for the Hero of Time to be reincarnated into TWW!Link. However, comma, the Triforce of Courage parted from Link at the moment he was sent back in time, and it stayed in Zelda's time, breaking into the 8 pieces you search for in TWW. When the Triforce of Courage breaks away, so does that essence of the Hero of Time. When Link returns to his own time, he is no longer the Hero of Time, as those events would not take place again. So, back on Zelda's side after she sends Link back, the Triforce of Courage is split up, and the essence of the Hero is waiting to be reborn. Eventually, it is reborn into TWW!Link.

This allows for a Link x Zelda(Tetra) shipping in The Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass without any worries of incest between the two.

How the information got to me on the interpretation of dialogue on WW Link's bloodline to OOT Zelda I'll never know or remember. But with WW Link being descended from a sage?? I don't know but at the moment I agree with Zeruda. Nonetheless its definitely canon that Adult Timeline Zelda didn't marry Link for Tetra to be born.

I think Shad is ugly Ugh...His hair, his clothes...his personality. He's too dull. It's got a 0% chance of happening. And I'll bet a trillion dillars (if I had that much) that the next game is NOT a TP sequel I hope it's not.

*heartbreak* ;_; But-but-but.... he's so HOT! His quirky, nerdiness and thirst for knowledge! His lack of style is also quite cute! Awww... I love him. <3 But you're entitled to your own opinion of him.

I do have to agree with you in your believing that the next TLoZ title won't be a TP sequel, though.

Yeah. I think he IS ugly, and no match for Zelda! He's just too boring for me.

But yeah, if the new LoZ game WAS a TP sequel, I would be mad.
1. Ilia would be there
2. What would you do with Midna gone, hence the title TWILIGHT ORINCESS

Eh eh eh. A sudden sense of pride fills the chest cavity I have for a heart.
Wow it's... it's beating again!


I don't find Shad ugly either. He has a certain... style, but compared to the other townsfolk (and I watch them everyday), he's definitely not so bad. XD

The few hints Nintendo gave us also leaves me to believe it's an entirely new Link we'll be seeing next.
As long as it's a Link alright. A Zelda game without (a male) Link is a wild west story without guns, a pirates' movie without crimes, a Master Sword without its sharpened edge:
It's a CRIME! D:


Chibi: They -could- follow what they did with OoT and MM: we won't be seeing Ilia, or Hyrule.
...Or Zelda.


I really really want to see the new Hyrule from WW's timeline.
And more importance to the princess. It's her game after all.