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 I hate Midna
Elyse
  Posted: Nov 26 2008, 06:22 AM


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Well, actually I don't hate Midna the character. It's the LinkXMidna pairing I dislike because unlike other alternate pairings (LinkXMalon, LinkXSaria) this one actually has evidence in the game to back it up. dry.gif

I believe Link has shown more affection towards her than Zelda not just in TP but more than he has for her(Zelda) in other past Zelda games. He smiles a lot with her, cradles her in his arms and looks at her lovingly, reaches out to her when she sacrifices herself and mourns over her "death" etc. unsure.gif . One could say he sees her as a very close friend(however one can always argue that with the Zelink hints in previous games) but his reaction at the end of the game when Midna reveals her true form he seems fall in love with her. He runs off and leaves Zelda behind and at first he is stunned but then he smiles at her(Midna) in a way that he never has towards Zelda before. He is literally awe struckin by her and his face practically glows! ohmy.gif

I am a huge Zelink fan so I really hate how Nintendo all of a sudden introduces this new girl who steals Link's heart away from Zelda. I personally didn't see any Zelink romantic hints in Twilight Princess at all. Has Nintendo ever officially commented on Link's relationship with Midna? Are they just close friends or potential lovers?
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P.S I apologize to anyone on here who likes the character Midna but I really dislike Link and Midna as a couple.
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Saami
Posted: Nov 26 2008, 06:44 PM


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So...you don't like Link/Midna because the devs made Link like her? That's kinda odd, I guess.

Umm...Well I honestly can't think of anything to say but: Calm down. This isn't serious business.
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Twilight Mistress
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 01:16 AM


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Well, you can take the game literally, I suppose, but you could also look at it from a metaphorical perspective. Fact is, Midna is really the shadow of Zelda. Why have I come to this conclusion, you might ask? Well, it's simple really.

Zelda

- from the realm of light
- Princess
- is also referred to, in the beginning by Midna, as the Twilight Princess
- wears a cape similar to the one that Midna wears when she is in her true form
- the picture in the front of the instruction booklet presents both Zelda and Midna's side profiles looking in opposite directions of the other (Zelda is looking up while Midna is looking down)
- both have somewhat similar traits
- Zelda is able to channel her energy into Midna
- at the end of the game, Zelda rides Epona with Link, representing the light version of Midna riding on Link as a wolf

Midna

- from the realm of twilight
- Princess
- referred to as the twilight princess
- again, the picture could be considered as a strong hint that points out the relationship between Zelda and Midna
- posseses some of Zelda's traits
- Midna rides on Link's back as a wolf, representing the shadow version of Zelda riding along with Link on his horse

Also, the mirror is another indication that Midna is merely a reflection of what Zelda would be in the shadow realm.

Aside from that, Link does show affection towards Zelda as well. Link likely only thinks of Midna as a close friend, because of everything that they endured together. Zelda is still Link's potential love interest. First of all, upon meeting Zelda in his altered state, Link takes an immediate liking to her; he is able to sense her personality because animals are able to pick up on things that humans are prone to miss. Midna also giggles when Link growls at Zelda and then rolls her eyes when Link stops and walks over to Zelda, eyes fixated on her. This is obviously an indication that Midna feels that Link took on an immediate liking to Zelda.

You could also say that the way Link reacted over Zelda's lifeless body is evidence that there is more than just friendship involved; had it have been anyone else he would have thought about what to do before jumping in without thinking. If you recall, he cared about the little blonde haired boy but he thought about what he would do first. Also, what about when Zelda and Link look at each other before they were interupted by Ganondorf's spirit? Or when they held hands? Or when they were shown together on horseback? Another thing is that the end of the game when Midna parts from the realm of light and the mirror shatters, the scene ends with the shattered mirror and Link and Zelda standing side by side, likely metaphorically indicating that Link was destined to be beside Zelda and her alone. The last scene also ends with the castle throne room after we are shown the scene of Link leaving Ordon. It can then be concluded that Link's destination was the castle so that he could be with Zelda.
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gliderpilotgirl
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 01:38 AM


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I agree with you. As much as I was annoyed they chose to make another character rather than just sticking to Zelda, Midna really can be called a "shadow form" of Zelda. She's like a dark, poisoned and warped form of Zelda..how Zelda may have turned out in her circumstances. Midna represents her people, and their bitterness, abandonment and hard feelings towards the light worlders is reflected in her.

As far as love goes, love is loving the person who someone is. What Link may love about her, her courage, strength, drive and heart ( once you get past the bitterness ) is to be found in Zelda, just the same.
Furthur comparisons: Compare Midna's personality to Tetra, who is also Zelda. They have the same sarcastic and rude mannerisms initially, but are softened by Link's gentle heart.
Even farther back, compare Sheik to Midna. Both are a "shadow form of Zelda", different yet still the same.

Anyways, Midna is gone though in the end: Link will never end up with her. While Zelda is not an exact copy, if he were to seek her wisdom for direction, he might find the same that he loved of Midna in her.
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MalonsLover
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 02:05 AM


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I see TP Link being attracted to Zelda but I don't see Zelda having any interest in him whatsoever romantic wise. As for Midna, for me it was a love/hate thing thats sort of complicated to explain. If there was more evidence to TP LinkxZelda as being just formal aquaintances I would definitely choose her over Illia thats for sure, despite lack of in game evidence. But don't you guys/girls think TP Link would go on some first love only love type thing and just keep mourning over the loss of Midna like most Midna fangirls believe??
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Twilight Mistress
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 05:03 AM


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The way I see it, Midna and TP Link had more of a relationship that Oot Link had with Navi. Oot Link loved Navi, but not in a romantic way. There are different types of love for different reasons. We, as human beings, have the capactity to love many people in different ways. Romantic love involved that spiritual connection where the couple feels as though they cannot be seperated, where they love the other unconditionally and understand each other on all levels; they are two halves that together make a whole. Close friendships are those that are considered companions, those that we can depend on to share experiances with and to lean on whenever life depends.

Zelda does display feelings towards Link, immediately in fact. I mean, she's the only one that wasn't afraid of him (besides Midna) in his wolf form; because of her wisdom, she was able to sense something different about Link. Don't forget, Zelda is able to pick up on things quicker than others, as portrayed in previous versions of the series. In Oot, for instance, when she meets Link in the courtyard she said that she sensed something eerie about Ganondorf. Besides that, at the end of the game they not only exchange meaningful glances before they're interupted by Ganondorf's spirit, but she holds out her hand when they're in the light temple (which he willingly accepts). She also places a hand on his forearm from behind when they're in the field, a definate hint that there's romance hidden somewhere between them. Besides... How can you miss the fact that they were on horseback together; that would have to be the cutest scene for those two! I don't know about you guys, but it sure provided a vivid romantic image for me. ^^
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MalonsLover
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 05:22 AM


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Actually Link holds out his hand first...not Zelda. She is the one that accepts his help not the other way around. Maybe there is hope for TP LinkxZelda. But to me TP Link and Zelda are probably the least romantically compatible of all the Zelink pairings. Too much Link as chivalry perfect gentleman admirer from afar written all over it if you ask me. Its more believable with OOT, WW, and especially AOL LinkxZelda for sure. TP is so LinkxMidna sugar coated I was actually wanting Zelda to have more moments that were more than just a friendly admiration for Link's courage.
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Twilight Mistress
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 11:48 AM


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Again, Midna is like Navi in the sense that both Links value them as close friends, due to everything that they endured with them. That doesn't mean that Zelda lost her potential to be Link's love interest, however, being that there are multiple scenes that point out otherwise. You just have to read between the lines and not take things so literally. I already highlighted certain scenes in my previous post that can pose as evidence for Zelda looking at Link as a potential love interest (and Zelda as a love interest for Link). When they hold hands it breaks away from the formal setting that Zelda was at first hiding behind, revealing the fact that there is something more between the two; her barriers fall and they practically peer into each other's soul, gazing into each other's eyes until the scene fades. Actually, in one of the interviews shortly after TP's release in a Gamepro magazine (or was it Nintendo Power..?), the game director stated that there was something more between Link and Zelda than what was literally seen in the game. He said certain things took place between Link and Zelda that occurred off-screen and that it takes a close eye to notice.

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KokirianClockwork
Posted: Nov 27 2008, 05:08 PM


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That screenshot is amongst my all time favorites!

I do also hate the fact that some fangirls say Link will eternally mourn over Midna and put all his energy into finding her again.
That's just NOT like him.
Seriously, dépendant affectif? No way. DX
(Excuse my French... how do we say... Those people who just can't accept someone leaving them no matter what?)
It even annoys me a bit with ZeLink fics, imagine MidLink ones.
I liked Midna a lot. I impulsively went ''zomg o haaaaiiii!! *waves*'' the second time I started playing TP again, but I can't see Link with her.
She was fun, helpful, had a nice heart hidden behind that little demonic attitude, what's not to like? And she looked wonderful when the curse broke.
He thought she was dead, but not only was she alive, but she was also freed from the curse. I can't imagine Link doing something else than give a big smile that makes his face shine like a thousand suns.
I still can't imagine him with her.
As for Ilia I didn't hate her, -omg I kinda liked her-, but since she's Link's ticket to normality, I'd rather not think about it either.
And unless something else happens, Zelda would be giving all her energy to reconstruct Hyrule. Even if she was madly in love with Link, her people come first.
I do have some hope that, like OoT and WW, TP gets somekind of sequel... with more Zelda.
TP Zelda needs more appearances.

But I'm not holding my breath.
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Hylian Princess
Posted: Nov 28 2008, 01:03 AM


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Illia: Annoying, bossy girl who just wants things to be as normal and perfect for her as possible. I don't like Illilink because then Link would go back to his boring, normal life... Sure, I think that'll be kinda like a happy ever after, but it doesn't suit the series much.

Midna: Hot little imp/princess who has a heart and an attitude... I agree with Clockwork, what's not to like? I just don't like Midlink... I don't see it at all.

Zelda: I feel the love (at least I think I do happy.gif) zelinksmileytgther.gif

But, c'mon people who are complaining to the developpers... I mean, it's the developpers jobs to make us debate and go crazy... It's what keeps the series alive and popular! Wonder why people keep coming here? It's because it's interesting. Nerve-wrecking at times, of course, but that's what keeps Zelda's fire going!

Like FFVII, I hope they're gonna make a re-make for TP... They could've done so much better! I suppose they got a bit carried away with the wii factor that they kinda shifted their focus around. angry.gif giggle.gif whistle.gif
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MalonsLover
Posted: Nov 28 2008, 02:53 AM


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Since the mirror shattered LinkxMidna is not happening anytime soon. Many Midna fans seem to really believe that the ending meant that Link rode off and left Ordon to live the life as a Hero in the service of the Hyrule Court and just work with Zelda in hopes of helping him get reunited with Midna somehow. Though I agree with TM that the big OOT nostalgia/royal ball dance scene had a hint of romance in it but compared to the LinkxMidna hints LinkxZelda moments are like formal aquaintances so far. There is actually more to support LinkxHena in a way, but TP was overwhelmingly LinkxMidna IMO
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Elyse
Posted: Nov 28 2008, 04:48 AM


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QUOTE (Twilight Mistress @ Nov 27 2008, 01:16 AM)
Well, you can take the game literally, I suppose, but you could also look at it from a metaphorical perspective. Fact is, Midna is really the shadow of Zelda. Why have I come to this conclusion, you might ask? Well, it's simple really.

Zelda

- from the realm of light
- Princess
- is also referred to, in the beginning by Midna, as the Twilight Princess
- wears a cape similar to the one that Midna wears when she is in her true form
- the picture in the front of the instruction booklet presents both Zelda and Midna's side profiles looking in opposite directions of the other (Zelda is looking up while Midna is looking down)
- both have somewhat similar traits
- Zelda is able to channel her energy into Midna
- at the end of the game, Zelda rides Epona with Link, representing the light version of Midna riding on Link as a wolf

Midna

- from the realm of twilight
- Princess
- referred to as the twilight princess
- again, the picture could be considered as a strong hint that points out the relationship between Zelda and Midna
- posseses some of Zelda's traits
- Midna rides on Link's back as a wolf, representing the shadow version of Zelda riding along with Link on his horse

Also, the mirror is another indication that Midna is merely a reflection of what Zelda would be in the shadow realm.


That's true and isn't Midna's Theme actually Zelda's Lullaby played in reverse

"The way I see it, Midna and TP Link had more of a relationship that Oot Link had with Navi. Oot Link loved Navi, but not in a romantic way."

I agree. Link might have loved Midna but maybe just not in love with her. I remember reading on the internet that in an interview Bill Trinen said that Midna and Ilia were only close friends with Link and there was no romantic connection between either of them.

"Actually, in one of the interviews shortly after TP's release in a Gamepro magazine (or was it Nintendo Power..?), the game director stated that there was something more between Link and Zelda than what was literally seen in the game. He said certain things took place between Link and Zelda that occurred off-screen and that it takes a close eye to notice."

Is this the quote you're talking about?:
EGM: We also have to wonder after the ending: Are Link and Princess Zelda ever gonna hook up? It is a Teen-rated game, after all....

BT: [Laughs] Well, you have to wonder, how unrequited is it really? Just because a scene doesn't necessarily happen on screen before your eyes, that doesn't necessarily mean the scene has never happened.

EGM: You just totally revealed that Link and Zelda are having premarital sex.

BT: You know, like a lot of times a book will end, and the ending is kinda left up for the reader to interpret. You have to fill in the holes yourself.


So according to Nintendo, Midna and Link were really close friends with no romantic connection and things may have happened between Link and Zelda behind the scenes that we didn't see. Trinen's answer was vague but I think it's the closest Nintendo has come to confirming LinkXZelda. He didn't dismiss their relationship as a friendship or simply "business" nor did he deny a relationship.
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Alantie
Posted: Nov 28 2008, 04:51 AM


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When I first started playing TP, I was highly irritated by Midna. But as time went on and she started to let her guard down around Link I became more fond of her. And after the whole touching scene with Zelda giving everything to save her. . . it just made my heart hurt. I truly felt for her.

And I agree with what everyone else has been saying. Midna is essentially Zelda's dark half, her 'Sheik' persona in this game, much the way that Zant is Ganondorf's Twilight counterpart. So there's no reason for me to rehash what people have already said except to say: if Link loves Midna romantically, the probablity of him loving Zelda who is her mirror reflection is just as high, not to mention that Zelda was at one with Midna for a large part of the game and therefore. . . well, I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

I also agree with Midna fulfilling the Navi role in this game, or the partner aspect. In every game that Link has a partner, such as Navi, Tatl, the King of Red Lions, and others, he always parts with them at the end. I think it's fairly symbolic really, showing how Link is able to stand on his own without a guide following him around everywhere.

I'll always be a Zelink shipper, but Midna/Link isn't so bad, primarily since it practically is Zelink anyway. The fact of the matter is, it's hard to say anyway that what Link feels for Midna is anything beyond friendship. He goes running towards her at the end- well, of course! He thought she was dead, she's a close friend and he cares for her. It would be pretty cold for him not to. And him holding her- she was unconsious and overwhelmed from the magic she had just used. Was he supposed to let her lie on the ground?
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MalonsLover
Posted: Nov 28 2008, 04:52 AM


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INTERVIEW QUOTE: BT: You know, like a lot of times a book will end, and the ending is kinda left up for the reader to interpret. You have to fill in the holes yourself.

So according to the interview if I choose to imagine TP Link to be romantically involved with a random Hyrule town girl then its OK right?? huh.gif
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KokirianClockwork
Posted: Nov 30 2008, 04:56 AM


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Of course it's ok. But that doesn't make it true.
As long as if doesn't contradict anything in the game.
Thing about those books and videogames though is really that to make the characters feel real, you have to leave them some privacy. Telling -everything- ruins the ''reality'' factor.
Even with close friends, you'll never know everything about their feelings or about what's happened/what will happen to them.
Doesn't mean you can imagine just about anything about them either.

And I just had this weird image in my mind...
Link X Zelda..
Dark Link X Midna.

Should I be laughing?
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