Termania, Parallel universe?

Discuss Termania and it's significance here. Was it a parallel universe? Meant to portray Link's subconsious in a doomed world? All discussions revolving around Termania will be here.

Well, If I recall right the actual game manual says Termina is an alternate universe. It makes sense I think, they are clearly in a different world. Everyone is similar, yet distinctly different.

As for a dream- I'm not sure where I heard this...but there was some discussion regarding the possibility that in development MM may have been planned to be a dream during his seven year slumber before being changed.

I think it makes sense. He needs to discover who he is again and that he is a Hero...that he wants to be one.

Really? How weird!!! That would have been awesome if they had chosen that path, but as it is I remember I think the game manual does describe Termania as an AU.

I think a lot of people bring up the fact that Termania might have been a dream due to the fact that Link hit his head when he fell off of Epona bringing up the question whether it all really happened or was just due to the injury Link recieved. Part of the reason I'm disinclined to believe that though is because we're not shown Link waking up at the end of the game in any form- he's just shown riding off on Epona.

But if Termania is an AU, was it created as an AU in parallel to Link's own subconsious the way that LA seems to have been, or is it merely a parallel world to Hyrule?

I believe Termina was supposed to be a parallel world of Hyrule. Not only does the game manual state that it's a parallel world of Hyrule, but most of the characters in Termina have a Hylian counterpart. They look very similar to the OoT characters, yet their situations, backgrounds, and even personalities are very different.

Parallel world vs Dream huh?? Interesting. What intrigues me is these theories that Link stayed in Termina for the rest of his life or that he died some horrible lonely death on the way back to Hyrule is of great interest to me. Though I think some of these theories are weird. Especially the LinkxLulu one solely based on Link as Mikau is performing in the ending credits with Lulu and her band.

It would've been awesome as a dream from his 7 years magical coma! But yeah, AU.
I really wanted to see the Terminian Ganondorf, since the witches were selling potions, he could've been , I don't know, the Stock Pot Inn cook instead of Anju. Oh well. He's too -special- to have an AU self.

The dream (if it was a dream) likely occured after he fell off Epona and hit his head; it seems like the most logical explanation that can provide the reasoning behind encountering the same characters reflected in a "parallel universe".

But Link woke up after a few minutes. And all the MM characters that were also in OoT had different names, different situations, and even different personalities. A few examples:

The Cucco Lady lives in a village and takes care of Cuccos in OoT. In MM, her name is Anju, she lives in a (not exactly busy) town, and runs an inn.
The Running Man in OoT is the postman in MM.
Koume and Kotake are villains in OoT. In MM, Koume has her own Potion Shop, and Kotake works at the boating tour.

Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule rather than a dream Link's having. Just saying.

It could still apply to Link having a dream being that characters in MM are reflections of those in Oot. They might have different roles and personalities in MM than they do in Oot, but it's still logical to assume that Termina could be the product of a dream. Sorta like what happened in the Wizard of Oz; Dorothy dreamt about a parallel universe associated with certain people she knew, only they took on different roles.

That's interesting; you have a point.

I think it makes sense in that weird, warped way that dreams often have on our real reality. Things happen that never would in real life, and our reactions are often off, too.
Take Ingo for example: there's three of them in Termina. Two are bad nasty people and the third a gruff and harsh man, but with a soft spot for a Zora singer who weirdly looks like Ruto, but in a dress.
It's based on the original: the nasty bitter part he gets, but also the soft spot that allows him to be kind after Lon Lon is rescued.

There's also that unreal feeling some parts of MM have too: I mean, aliens kidnapping the cows? weird.

You could also say that despite it being warped, truth does exist. There's a character who's been turned into a child against his will and separated from the woman he loves. Doesn't that bring Adult Link being seperated from Adult Zelda into view?
The Skull Kid's loneliness and rejection too could reflect on Link's feelings, before as the boy without a fairy and after, as an aimless hero who's fairy left him.
I also think some part of Link might have desired to be a Zora, or a Goron, and this is reflected. But again, garbled, as I doubt he wanted to be a Deku Scrub.

I thought being the Deku Scrub had its advantages but I really liked the Zora one out of all three the best probably. But for me combat wise just being the cute and cuddly Link riding real fast with Epona was the most effective for me. I cheated with Gamefaqs to get the Kafei/Anju mask sub plot but it was worth it to get the Fierce Deity Mask IMO.

But yeah, I'm totally with you 100% on the MM being sort of a dream of Links subconscious mind and all, but what I enjoyed most about MM is the uniqueness with all the subplots around this lively town blah blah. But could any of you tell me whats up on some of these weird alternative theories of him staying there, or either dying somehow? I have even read this off the wall one where Link returns to Hyrule from Termania and chooses to live the rest of his life as a kokiri because he was so heartbroken that he could not find his beloved Navi. What the heck is up with that?? Did any of you guys/girls really feel Link loved Navi that much?? I don't think so.

I'm not sure. Personally, I think those who think he stayed there are missing a big piece of the ending. Link is seen with Epona in the last scene, and looks up ( like he was at the beginning ) before spurring Epona and galloping away: feeling is an integral part of the games, and I had a very strong feeling of, "he found what he was looking for." The Mask Salesman remarks that he should be heading home too. I doubt he died, because the Hero's Spirit ( likely to be him ) speaks with experience and wisdom, more than he had in Termina. Also the tale survives to make it to Zelda, likely from him returning to tell her.

I think the quest for Navi was partially an excuse. He WAS looking for a friend, but was it really her? I think she might have been the friend he thought he wanted, but the Skull Kid was who he really needed to find. I think he was struggling deeply in the aftermath of being sent back in time and he was messed up: his journey was also to regain his identity he just didn't realize it. ( As a hero )
Anyways, your question: Yes and no. I think Navi was important in the sense of fitting in ( the boy without a fairy ) and a constant friend...but he's not a Kokiri and will grow up...he's grown past being a mere child.

That's an interesting concept, of Link wanting to find Navi but needing to find Skull Kid. Could you elaborate on that a bit?

I'm not too sure that its the Skull Kid because as an adult in OOT you can kill the skull kid over and over again for a big orange rupee. I think Link cared more for Navi than the skull kid IMO. I agree with your other points on Links lost sense of purpose for sure. Thats why I will always be annoyed with the OOT ending that Link did not choose to remain with Zelda in the Adult Timeline. At least with the Manga, Link protests Zelda's royal command but I'm still angry AAARRGGHH!!