Link and Zelda. TWIN SIBLINGS??, The Twin Sibling Theory

Hm, suddenly you changed your opinion about Link's so-called horniness. Funny. Twilight Mistress certainly didn't mean anything like that. Did you even read her post?

And yet again, I agree with you there, gliderpilotgirl. I don't really have anything to add.

No...I never changed my opinion about anything. If you actually take the time to read my posts properly instead of being preoccupied with pre-judging me, my arguement was that OOT Link did not feel romantic feelings for anyone throughout the quest. Whether people like it or not romantic feelings are associated with sexual yearnings. Links actions, reactions, and the silly confused & bewildered expression on his stupid looking face spells eternal virgin with no clue on what romantic love is period. Love in association to emotional attachment yes, but not romantic/sexual love.

Back on topic: My conclusion on the sibling theory is that the comics/mangas were concieved to deflect an ALREADY ESTABLISHED theory. Which proves I'm not the one who invented it last week. Anyway, there is enough subtle hints to believe that OOT Link and Zelda may be twin siblings but enough doubt with the already established counter arguement in them being chosen by destiny and not blood.

You'll notice that she did not call you yourself a pervert, just your...opinions...preferences...whatever we might call them. You have said multiple times that "you don't agree with the hypothesis that OoT Link and Zelda might be brother and sister," and yet you doggedly pursue it and consistently bring a corrupted form of sexuality into the matter. What else are we supposed to think?

Also, a theory is not a theory until you can present solid evidence to support it, not fan fiction or preferences. Until solid evidence is presented, it is just a hypothesis, a fancy word for "guess." You also need to take into consideration that OoT was limited by the graphics in the day that it was released in, so you really cannot argue very well for "similar hereditary features" unless you decide to bring in official drawings and argue your point from that stance.

If you actually took the time to review the subtle evidence I provided in my posts, its IN THE GAME ITSELF. The twin sibling theory has nothing to do with fanfics or comic books.

As I previously stated the sibling theory goes on the IN GAME COINCIDENCES on Link and Zelda being the ONLY Hylians having

Similar hair color

Similar eye color

Similar triforces

Similar prophetic dreams

The COINCIDENCE that its the parent of the same gender in question.

The COINCIDENCE of their unusually close relationship and interraction with one another IN THE GAMES (OOT & MM) being very similar to how twin siblings usually interract with one another.

IN GAME subtle hints in dialogue from the composer bros, Impa, and Zelda herself.

COMPOSER BROS DIALOGUE:
What? You again?
Somehow, you remind me of...
Princess Zelda...
Hmm... Since you may have some
connection with the Royal Family, I
will tell you a little more of our
tale.
Back then, people called us great
composers because of the many
musical masterpieces we wrote.
But we brothers were not just
composers.
We had a mission to analyze the
mysterious powers of Hyrule's
Royal Family.

IMPA'S DIALOGUE:
Only Royal Family members
are allowed to learn this song.
Remember, it will help to prove your connection with the Royal Family

ZELDA’S DIALOGUE:
What is your name?
.....
Link...
Strange...it sounds somehow...
familiar.

This suggests that Zelda had previously overheard Links name being mentioned by the King or other members of the Royal Family in reference to Link being Zelda's long lost sibling that she was not aware of at that particular time. More than likely after the OOT adventure, whether by the TOW or the King himself, that it would be revealed to Zelda that the name that she was previously familiar with was actually the name of her long lost twin sibling. So in essence the last scene in OOT represents the twin siblings with the TWIN triforces were finally reunited after being seperated as infants during the attack on Hyrule Town years before as referenced in the OOT manga.

The fact of the matter is the sibling theory is supported through IN GAME info. Not retarded fanfics or stupid comic books. I did not invent this theory as its a fact that its been around since OOT was released. Hence the conception of the comics/mangas to deflect an ALREADY ESTABLISHED theory. Know your facts first before you post Love of Zelda.

BTW here are the OFFICIAL drawings. Read it and weep HAHAA!!
Here is OoT Adult Zelda:



And here is OoT Adult Link:

These are your presumptions based upon your preference that Link and Zelda not get together. I will say that everything I have said before has been said at least fifteen separate occasions by several different people. If you don't want to pay attention to the opposite POV's which you have asked for many times, don't blow your lid when you face the same argument over and over.

It is common for children in Japanese games, manga, and anime to have blonde hair and blue eyes - it is a signal that the reader, player, or viewer should pay attention to that one person. Take Sailor Moon/Usagi for example - it isn't realistic for her to have blonde hair and blue eyes in Japan where the hereditary deviation from brown eyes and dark brown hair is extremely rare. And yet, the creators want Usagi to stand out to the viewer. The same case can be made for Link and Zelda - the creators want these two to stand out because they are central to the plotline.

Ganondorf had a similar Triforce piece, but I don't see a hypothesis about him being related to either Link or Zelda. Just because Link and Zelda are both Hylians does not mean that they are related. Malon is a Hylian as well, and again, there is no hypothesis that she and Zelda are sisters, or that Malon and Link are siblings. There are plenty of people for Link and Zelda to be related to - I doubt with so many Hylians that they are related.

The connection that the Composer Brother speaks of is the fact that the player plays Zelda's Lullaby in that area. The ghost, if he studied the Royal Family like he said, would be able to immediately recognize that tune and understand that only the people who were privileged would be able to learn that song.

The reason that Link's name sounds familiar to Zelda is because she has heard his name in her prophetic dreams, not within the Castle walls. Why would his name be there? We have already previously established that Link's mother and Zelda's mother are two separate people. Even though Link was the son of a prestigious Hylian Knight, his name would not be uttered in any important manner, if at all. And since we know that Zelda saw Link, Navi, and the Kokiri Stone all at once in her prophetic dreams, it would be quite easy to imagine Link's name crossing her mind during the dreams.

The connection that Impa speaks of is the fact that Link is now of Zelda's inner circle.

And finally, the manga and comics were written a bit before this "hypothesis" rolled around. I have never gotten the sense that Link and Zelda were ever family besides possibly being a married couple later on, no matter how many times I've played the game and diced everything up. BOTH the manga and the comics are canon - the manga because it was approved by Nintendo before it was released in Japan and also before it was translated and released in America. It would have to be approved or else it would be illegal to sell copies in both countries. The OoT comics that have been posted and linked to were drawn by artists at Nintendo Power - another quite official and canon source.

I can agree with your points on the composer bros, and Impa. But there is no IN GAME proof that Zelda heard Links name in her dreams. But it is a POSSIBILITY. And its possible that Impa COULD be related to Zelda since she and Zelda are the only HYLIAN sages. She is Zelda's nursemaid and it would not be that surprising if she was an aunt or cousin of some sort due to their connection as THE ONLY sages who are HYLIAN in close relation to the Royal Family. As for Ganon, HE IS NOT HYLIAN, he is a GERUDO who looks nothing like Link or Zelda. So he is out of the equation.

Link and Zelda are still the ONLY Hylians with uncanny physical similarities (References your sig) along with similar triforces and similar prophetic dreams. Malon does not have blond hair, a triforce or prophetic dreams, so she and the rest of Hyrule is out of the equation as well.

And for the hundredth time, I didn't invent the fraternal twin sibling theory. Its been around since the game was released back in the late 90's, hence the later conception of the comics/mangas to deflect an IN GAME theory that was already there WITHIN THE GAME. It has no relation to fanfics or comics whatsoever. THE SIBLING THEORY IS BASED ON INFO WITHIN THE GAME ITSELF!! God...I hate repeating myself over and over again. Let me make it clear again...

I DID NOT INVENT THIS THEORY!!!! DEAL WITH IT.

I don't recall saying that you invented this hypothesis, but yes, I completely understand and empathize how frustrating it is to repeat oneself twenty plus times and never get through to someone. It is truly as though they are deliberately ignoring the points one is making, don't you agree?

It is not possible for Zelda and Impa to be related, they are entirely different races. Impa is Sheikah, and Zelda is Hylian. Impa is part of a bloodline of Sheikah who protect the Hylian Royal Family. I have not seen any evidence that the Sheikah and Hylian Royal Family have intermarried in any of the games, just that the Royal Family adopted many of the practices of the Sheikah (i.e. the Gossip Stones)

But by your reasoning/other person's reasoning, Link is just as easily the brother of Malon as he is of Zelda because they are Hylians. I have already stated the probable reason why Link and Zelda have similar eye and hair color in a previous post - it is likely for nothing more than traditional Japanese aesthetic visuals to indicate the importance and "choseness" of these Link, Zelda and Usagi (as I have also stated in my previous post).

Duhh on my part. Yeah I agree with you on Impa now. But Malon still doesn't have blond hair, a triforce or prophetic dreams. Neither does anyone else in Hyrule. Just Link and Zelda.

Anyway with Impa, She clearly states ONLY members of the Royal Family can learn Zelda's lullaby. So maybe as a Sheikah she was related to the Royal Family somehow. But your counter arguement is plausible since there is no real proof other than the possibility she COULD be related to the Royal Family as hinted by the IN GAME dialogue.

As for the composer bros, the dialogue implying that Link reminds them of Zelda and referencing the mysterious powers of the Royal Family in relation to their similar triforces is rather very coincidental don't you think??

It's only coincidental in the fact that you interpret it as such. You want to see signs of a sibling relationship, and so you do. The same think can be said about pretty much every theory pertaining to the Legend of Zelda. For example, Zelinkers will see Zelink subtext in the whole in-the-clouds-farewell scene at the end of the game, Malinkers will see Malink subtext when Link rescues Epona from Ingo, and Sheik-Is-A-Guy theorists will see subtext whenever Sheik isn't Zelda. It's all about how we interpret things.

As such, when both the Composer Brothers and Impa mention a connection between Link and Zelda, sibling theorists see it as a sign that the two are related by blood.

Others, however, see it differently. For example, when Impa says:

Only Royal Family members
are allowed to learn this song.
Remember, it will help to prove your connection with the Royal Family

She is not implying a blood relation. Instead she is saying that the song will prove to any doubters that Link is there on behalf of the Royal Family. The common folk of Hyrule would not be privy to the song, and even if they heard it somewhere, they wouldn't know the significance behind it. In that regard, the song acts as a sort of musical "secret handshake". Only people in the know would know it.

As such, when the Composer Brothers say:

What? You again?
Somehow, you remind me of...
Princess Zelda...
Hmm... Since you may have some
connection with the Royal Family, I
will tell you a little more of our
tale.

They are acknowledging him as a representative of the Royal Family, not a part of it. Link merely reminds the Brothers of Zelda because of their similar colouring (which, as Love_of_Zelda said, makes them different, exotic, "special" even, when compared to traditional Japanese colouring), and the fact that Link, like Zelda, is one of the few mortal people to actually use magic/be in possession of and actually use some sort of mystical power within the game (the others being Ganondorf and Twinrova).


In regards to the prequel comic to OoT, the officially licenced by Nintendo one where Link's dad is a knight, and his wife (who isn't the queen) takes their baby into the Kokiri Forest, where the Great Deku Tree allows Link to stay because Link is touched by destiny, was obviously done in an attempt to dissuade the sibling theory. Why else would they make a comic showing how his parents died than to prove he isn't blood-related to Zelda?

Exactly...thats what I've been saying all along about the comics dissuading the theory that was already present in the game. Hence I did not invent it last week as some people seem to believe. And I agree on your counter arguements with the composer bros, and Impa.

Its just with Impa she says the words ONLY, and that may imply that she is MAYBE related to the Royal Family and as a wise sage type she is already aware that Link is the THEORETICAL lost twin sibling of Zelda. Anyway..your counter arguements make sense on the other possibilities.

What I don't get is the counter arguement that Link or Zelda could be related to Malon or other Hylians when I keep repeating that it would be impossible since no other HYLIANS possess a triforce or prophetic dreams. Yet people keep bringing up the same weak counter arguement up when I clearly debunked it like two or three pages ago.

Hmm, I think that's because it isn't said anywhere that you need to be related to the other bearers of the Triforce. Like it's said a billion times before; Link isn't related to Ganondorf and Zelda isn't related to Ganondorf. So why would Link and Zelda be related just because they posses a piece of the Triforce?

And about Impa. She's a sheikah. If she were related to Zelda, you'd think Zelda would have some sheikah, er...looks (sorry, I can't think of a better synonyme right now)...Like red eyes or something like that. But nope, she's your avarage hylian, even though a royal one.

I just wanna say this in case you got the wrong impression: I never thought you invented it. And I don't believe I've seen anyone else implying anything like that in this topic, either. You just might get the impression, since your one of the few in this topic who support the sibling theory. That's all. *pats*

I'm not saying that Link and Zelda are related, only in that they MIGHT be related based on the IN GAME COINCIDENCES that they have identical hair and eye color and that they are the ONLY HYLIANS with a similar triforce and similar prophetic dreams. The unusually close associations are there no matter how people try to say that they could be related to other Hylians when its obvious they have the most likelyhood of being related to each other than anyone else.

As with Impa being a Sheikah, she clearly said that ONLY members of the Royal Family can learn Zelda's lullaby. So its not that far fetched that maybe her mom or dad or another relative married into the Royal Family, hence her unusually close association to the Royal Family in being Zelda's nursemaid.

Impa is Zelda's nursmaid because she is a Sheikah. Right in the game they say that the Sheikah were the protectors of the Royal Family, not a part of it. To use the appearance argument against you, Impa and Zelda look nothing alike, aside from the fact that they're both ladies.

As for the Lullaby, Impa says that only Royal Family members are allowed to learn it, but she never says anything to indicate that those members can't teach the song to others.

Saying that Link and Zelda are related because they have similar colouring and both poses pieces of the Triforce is a weak argument. For example, I could run out into the street and say that I'm a blood relation to any brown haired and eyed people who have birthmarks on their elbows, but this would not be true. Just because people look the same does not indicate a blood relation. I've seen plenty of siblings who look nothing alike, and I'm sure you have too.

As others keep saying, just because Link and Zelda were each granted a piece of the Triforce, this does not mean they are tied by blood. Zelda was chosen as the bearer of Wisdom because of her smarts, and Link was chosen to be the bearer of Courage because of his bravery. To summarise, they were chosen for the most dominant factor of their personalities, not a biological reason. If a blood tie were necessary for one to be a bearer of a piece of the Triforce, then according to the arguments you presented, Ganondorf must be their uncle or something. Sure, he doesn't resemble them, but as I said before, similar appearances don't denote a blood tie.

As for Link's prophetic dreams, as far as I can remember, he only had the one at the beginning of the game, and that could have just as easily been brought on by the powers of the Great Deku Tree.

And when people say that Link and Malon could be siblings, or Zelda and Malon could be sisters, they are merely going by the same circumstantial evidence when one claims that Link and Zelda are siblings:

ONE: Neither of their mothers are present throughout the game.

TWO: They are all Hylian.

THREE: Link, Zelda and Malon all have the same coloured eyes. The difference in hair colour could just be that they take more after one parent than the other.

While Malon doesn't exhibit any mystical powers, this doesn't mean that she couldn't be related. After all, between many siblings, there will inevitably be one who is smarter than the other, and perhaps the same is true of Hylians, only with magical aptitude instead of smarts.

Now, the only reason why I even brought up the theory of Malon being related to Link or Zelda is to show that one can twist evidence to their liking. People will always see what they want to see in regards to these situations, and so I bring up the view from the other side of the fence, as it were.

And no one is claiming that you are the creator of this theory. It's been around in the Zelda fandom ever since A Link to the Past, where Link's uncle's cryptic dieing words, "Zelda is your..." spawned the no doubt Star Wars influenced theory that the final word was "Sister". It could have just as easily been "Zelda is your responsibility now".
And again, I bring this up to illustrate a point. That point being that in the GBA remake of LttP, the uncle's final words are changed to "I'll always cherish our time together...", a move, no doubt, done in an attempt to dissuade the sibling theory in regards to that game. It was obviously never Nintendo's intent to imply that Link and Zelda in LttP were related, and so they thought to rectify their mistake. For all we know, it could have only been a translation issue when the game was translated from Japanese to English.

They did a similar thing for Ocarina of Time, and that was the comic dealing the deaths of Link's parents. Again, Nintendo sought to rectify the misconception that Link and Zelda were related.

The in game coincidences are circumstantial at best, and Nintendo's consistent efforts to dissuade the sibling theory should be ample enough for one to realize that Link and Zelda were never intended to be siblings.

Yeah, Link only had that one dream, but it says in the instruction manual that Link had been having that same dream for several nights. It probably means nothing in terms of the topic, but I just thought of pointing it out.

And I'm probably just being annoying now, but the Japanese version of ALttP (the first version of that game?) has Link's uncle finishing up his sentence before he dies: "Zelda is your destiny." Another thing to disprove the sibling theory.

My aunt and my sister look nothing alike yet they are still related. So whats your point?? And Malon still doesn't have blond hair or posesses a triforce, so again she is obviously out of the equation in this discussion. If you lined up Link, Malon, and Zelda together and you asked a non Zelda fan who is likely to be related, the obvious is inevitable. By any means it doesn't prove anything on Link and Zelda being related, but I'm just saying Malon in the equation of possible twin siblings is just plain silly IMO. Its a weak counter arguement like the Ganon counter arguement.

But I agree with all your other valid counter arguements, especially with destiny vs. bloodline. I also thought the Deku Tree might possibly have an influence on Links dreams as well, though there is no way I can prove that no more than I can prove that Link and Zelda are related.

And at least you are gracious enough to understand that this sibling theory was not of my own creation. I think if Nintendo finally made closure on the identity of Links mom and dad and Zeldas mom this sibling theory will be dead and gone forever. I accept the validity of the comics and all but a lot of Zelda fans don't I'm afraid. Thats why the sibling theory still exists.