Link and Zelda. TWIN SIBLINGS??, The Twin Sibling Theory

While I am pro-ZeLink, I'll tackle some of these.

That's a neat diagram you've got there. If I remember my high school biology, isn't blue eyes a dominant gene typically? It's much easier to end up with blue eyes than say, green in humans. ( Not sure about Hylians though. )
Anyways, given the amount of Hylians in Hyrule ( likely way more than we see in the game that's hindered by memory space ) sharing an eye color strikes me as dubious proof. If you look at their looks in the better graphic-ed Smash Brother Melee, Link and Zelda really don't look much alike. Likely no more than any other Hylian.

Here's a thought. Let's say that theoretically, Link's mother was the Queen of Hyrule. Why wouldn't she have been in the castle instead on the battlefield? A castle is firstmost a military fortress. And why wouldn't the male heir ( Link ) have been protected before the female? In most cultures with a monarchy ( especially in medieval type worlds ) a male heir would be more prized.

You're forgetting the scenes at the beginning of the game. Link's clearly been having these nightmares for a while. Wasn't it the Deku Tree who said "in those sensitive"? I'm willing to bet it's more a special gifting relating to his calling than blood though. Or if it is, it's a distant relation. Zelda's powers are much stronger than his. ( As you've said )

Agreed. Wasn't the exact quote: "..others chosen by destiny" ? Fate is an entirely different thing than blood. I do agree their personalities were involved in their selection though.

I think it's fair to say if there was any romance in OoT, it would most obviously be between Link and Zelda, especially if you compare it against the case for other pairings. ( Barring Saria who was eliminated )
I think it's subtle, but definately there. I don't agree that Ruto's speech was jealous ( she had matured ) but I do agree it was a massive hint about Link's true feelings. Impa just echoed it. "There's nothing to worry about. The Princess is safe now." Link doesn't typically show feelings...so when he does ( as commented on by others ) or even shows a rare action ( banging on the crystal ) that makes me sit up and take notice. The ending was very strongly emotional and it's obvious the developers strive to evoke emotion in the player. I'll always maintain the easiest way to pick out the main romantic interest is look for the emotion. Where is it strongest? I would suggest ZeLink because that's where the focus was, especially in the ending.
( And yes. I know someone will say, "they are the main characters, so that's why!"
It's more than that. Again, the emotion put in was pretty significant. )

Actually, blue is least prominant. Brown is the dominant colour. That's not to say that someone with brown eyes can't have a kid with blue eyes, though, as depicted in the diagram I posted above (we're actually re-learning this stuff in University O.o lol). As far as Link having prophetic visions, my point was that Zelda has the power to use telepathy, meaning it is rather likely that she's the one that sent him the vision (similar to how she sent a telepathic message to him in the beginning of LttP, despite the fact that they never met in the past). I drew this conclusion simply because other than this dream, Link does not display any unique powers that enable him to foresee the future. We also know that Zelda uses telepathy for communication, which is the method she uses to teach him the Song of Time after aquiring the ocarina.

You girls make decent counter arguements on the coincidences. But until there is closure on the parents of Link and Zelda, the sibling theory isn't going anywhere I'm afraid. As for Zelda telepathically using mind control over Link to have a dream?? I don't know about that one. But its an interesting theory though. As for Zelda teaching him the song of time through telepathy in MM, its highly unlikely because he already knew the song of time from the OOT adventure. I was under the impression that she was just reminding him of the song to use in his time of need. This whole telepathy theory is new to me.

Now let me get this straight, Link banging on the crystal means that he was getting sexually aroused and having an errection?? I just got the impression that he was going on protective instinct in doing the right thing in trying to save Zelda. Remember OOT Link is literally a child trapped in a mans body. There is nothing there for me to believe that he was thinking about anything romantic or sexual in trying to save Zelda. He wouldn't have time for that being in his mental state.

As for the scene in the sky, I got more of the vibe of Link being a polite and obedient child entrusting Zelda with his fate as a responsible adult. If he was having romantic feelings at that moment he would have expressed his desire to stay with Zelda in the Adult Timeline IMO. But the notion that he may have had a massive errection when Zelda was gently touching his hand is possible since being an adult physically it could happen I guess. But like the weird reaction he got when he saw Ruto naked makes me believe he can't possibly understand manly urges in his mental state. It would likely make him feel confused hence explaining his signature blank stare of bewildered confusion.

As for the Queen of Hyrule, I've already stated more than once that during the great war, the King of Hyrule was not a King at that time since Hyrule was not unified yet. So the possibility that Link and his mom were seperated from his twin sister Zelda and his dad during the chaos in the attack on Hyrule town still stands. Anyway I hope you gals respond because this discussion has all of a sudden become very interesting.

Okay, listen very carefully, alright? You are making wrong interpretations about what I'm saying. There is absolute NO evidence that Zelda's mother is the same as Link's mother. You think that you can base a theory on the fact that they both do not have a mother, even though there is no indication that they have the same mother? That is a VERY weak argument. The only way that they would be related by blood would be if Nintendo was trying to imply that Zelda's mother was cheating on her father, being that Link's father actually DIED in the war. Zelda's father is still alive, otherwise she would not have stated that her father does not believe in her prophecies. This is highly unlikely since the game is geared to children of all ages, so it would be hard for them to grasp this concept should it exist. Also, another thing you seem to be disregarding is the fact that Ruto's mother is not alive, Malon's mother is not alive, and the goron kid's mother is not alive. That to say that they are related? Don't think so.







NOTE: This is not a manga and is not fan-based. This is the actual comic for Ocarina of Time, Nintendo's official comic. Also pay close attention the clothes that Link's mother is wearing; not fit for a queen, is it? Link's father is also not the King, as he recruits soldiers to protect the king from harm. Thus, his parents did live on the castle grounds, but only because of the special title that his father had from being the head knight.

Now, another thing. I was not implying that Link was experiancing "sexual urges", and it is very disturbing on your part to actually believe that I was coming to such a conclusion. Love does not centre around intimacy, so you'd better fit your head around that one. It can be incorporated into the relationship, but it is much deeper than that. I am talking about the emotional attachment that they feel towards one another, the unconditional love that causes them to feel as though they are two halves that together make a whole. Rather, they are like soul mates; they just click. They would do anything for one another, which is the reason for why Link instinctively throws himself infront of Zelda to protect her. Another scene that people fail to mention is when Link rescues Zelda from the skeleton warriors that pop up. Upon defeating the skeletons, Zelda thanks Link and releases hearts above her head, a sign that there is something more than just friendship; she is the only one to do this in the game. If it were only to aid him in escaping from the castle, then there would be a convenient jar somewhere that contains fairies or whatever. Zelda also screams when Link is struck by Ganon, a sure sign that they are connected by more than just friendship.

As far as the prophecies argument, I was not implying that Link's mind was being controlled by Zelda, but rather, she was sending him a message with telepathy, enabling him to visualize certain things. The deku tree was actually talking about Zelda when referring to "those that are most sensitive". There is no actual proof that Link possesses the ability to see prophecies and use telepathic skills, as those traits are unique to Zelda alone (Link would be able to foresee other prophecies throughout the game if that were the case). She also uses telepathy in OCARINA of TIME (NOT MM. Link remembers Zelda on his own), after he retrieves the ocarina from the moat.

Like I said before, I made this thread so I can get the other counter arguements POV for my own benefit. As I previously stated the sibling theory goes on the IN GAME COINCIDENCES on Link and Zelda being the ONLY Hylians having

Similar hair color

Similar eye color

Similar triforces

Similar prophetic dreams

The COINCIDENCE that its the parent of the same gender in question.

The COINCIDENCE of their unusually close relationship and interraction with one another IN THE GAMES (OOT & MM) being very similar to how twin siblings usually interract with one another. So yes, your points on more than just casual friendship supports this.

IN GAME subtle hints in dialogue from the composer bros, Impa, and Zelda herself.

Like I said its a theory thats been around since the game was released, and it only suggests that they possibly could be twin siblings and nothing more. I didn't make it up by any means, and there is no implication to incest because there is no proof in the games or even in the non canon comics/mangas that Link and Zelda had a sexual relationship whatsoever. But your telepathy theory is interesting but I'm not sure it would debunk the twin sibling theory due to the notion that Zelda sending subconsious dreams exclusively to Link seems to support more for the twin sibling theory than work against it. I wouldn't use it against a rabid sibling theorist as it seems to be a self defeating counter arguement.

One thing I agree with you 100% is Links emotional attachment in instinctively protecting Zelda being more like a child instinctively protecting his mother instead of a verile manly man protecting his romantic lover.

Kudos on your post relating to the comics. I've never read the comics so its a good read for me on another POV.

As I'm not much of a debater, I'll make it short.

1) I think that the similar hair and eye colour is mostly because the land of Hyrule doesn't really HAVE a huge population for the lack of memory. But when you look at, for example, Twilight Princess, it has a lot more different looking people and lots more population because there's enough space to use. Same goes for Wind Waker etc.

2) Actually I think it doesn't support the sibling theory. It doesn't have to do anything with blood-relation. It could just as easily be because of the triforces. Then you could ask why Ganondorf doesn't get that dream. Well, first of all, we never know if he does or doesn't, since it isn't mentioned. Secondly I think it works the same way as Zelda's telepathy when she ran away with Impa. It's only directed at Link, not at both Link and Ganondorf.

And finally, 3) I don't know how you could think of Link having sexual urges when banging a crystal. Seriously...

Ganondorf doesn't get the dream because he is not a Hylian and he looks nothing like Link or Zelda. Thus he is out of the equation. Memory of the game has nothing to do with this debate. Tell me where there are other Hylians that have a similar triforce or similar dreams besides Link and Zelda. Also, I'm not saying the telepathy theory makes the sibling theory fact but it doesn't come close to debunking it either.

Woah woah woah!! Where on earth are you getting the idea any of us are suggesting anything remotely sexual was going on?

Here's an idea. Love and sex are two entirely different things. You can have sex with someone without loving them. You can definately love without having sex as well, yet it doesn't decrease in any way the intensity of the feelings. Sex is just a tool, but one that a healthy romantic relationship will use to as a way to express affection. Now that that's out of the way, carrying on.

You can't prove the child-in-a-man's body first off. And even if he was, he's still capable of feeling love to a certain extent. Just he may not recognize it for what it is. A man in love will do anything to save and protect his beloved, remember that. We've had other signs to indicate a special interest in Zelda, so him panicking when she was hauled off would be consistent with him being in love with her.

Another fact about a man in love: he will desire to please his woman, even if it's something he doesn't desire to do. Link could see how obviously distressed and guilty Zelda was feeling and how as one fan fic put it, she "looked at him with those eyes and begged him for the chance to make things right again." He bended his will to her wisdom and desire. It doesn't mean he didn't love her if he did.
Again, no suggestion of sex was made. That scene was so far beyond carnal desires that it's not funny.

I won't be responding to any more responses full of sexual talk, just to let you know. Not because I lack the maturity to do so, but because I feel it's taking something beautiful ( Link and Zelda's relationship ) and making it filthy and carnal.

I agree. Link in love could just mean that he has an emotional attachment to Zelda and nothing more. It still doesn't have anything to do with sexual desire needed for romance to actually work. And I don't have to prove that Link is a child trapped in a mans body. IN GAME EVIDENCE proves that he is a child trapped in a mans body. And Link's emotional attachment to Zelda during the OOT adventure could easily suggest the instinctive emotional attachment of love for her as his twin sibling even though he may not know it at the time.(References Luke and Leia from Star Wars) And IF...AND I EMPHASIZE IF the twin sibling theory were true, then more than likely Link (similar to Luke Skywalker) would have finally attained the knowledge that he is Zelda's twin after the OOT adventure when he is finally reunited with Zelda. Hence, Zelda's very sisterly interraction with Link during the MM cutscene.

The bottom line is there is still no proof whatsoever to this day that Link is in love with Zelda in connection to sexual desire needed for realistic romance and marriage to actually work. Thats a fact that Zelinkers have to deal with.

Not to mention this quote from Twilight Mistress:

the unconditional love that causes them to feel as though they are two halves that together make a whole

Ironically, sibling theorists use this exact same expression to support the twin sibling theory. Thanks TM.

If you notice, I'm using visual evidence from dialogue and subtle hints within the game for the twin sibling theory. Not emotional nonsense or badly written comic books. I'm sorry that my posts are making you uncomfortable Gilderpilot. That is not my intention at all. But ducking the sex issue makes it obvious that you agree with me that there is no in game evidence implying romance between Link and Zelda other than emotional attachment that only suggest a very close friendship or a close special bond as fraternal twin siblings.

Case Closed.

So what you're saying is that unless two people can have sex, it's not a valid relationship? If that's true, what happens when sex is no longer possible? ( pregnancy, age ) Do people cease to love each other? What you are describing is not love, it's lust. Lust doesn't last or even a relationship make. An emotional attachment on the other hand does.

Where is this in-game evidence? I want proof other than your personal opinion.
I've made this case before and given you points that indicate more, but you've never done the same.
A summary for MY argument:
- Link understands, " Saria will always be....your friend." ( MAJOR and mature romantic implication. )
- Link understands, " eternal love" from Ruto. He instantly reacts in shock/emotion. This indicates he now fully understands what this means.
- Link knows how to deal with Darunia's son. Maturity required.
- Adult-time game text treats player as an adult rather than as a child.

Okay. Let's see your points.

Now it's sisterly? You've said motherly before. IMO, trying to peg their relationship as either is just a denial tactic to avoid the implications of romance that are largely unavoidable.

What makes you think Link is not physically attracted to Zelda? She's absolutely gorgeous! Their relationship is just not based on shallow lust, rather a deep and life lasting connection. In other words, the feelings they have go beyond the physical. ( Which is shallow and worthless without real love to back it up. )

That "emotional nonsense" is an intended consequence of the cinematics used during the game. It's evidence in it's own right, as are the subtle hints of romance that DO exist.

Don't twist my refusal into a semblance of agreement: I don't remotely agree. I won't engage the sex debate because it's beneath me. I've seen enough perverted remarks in my time regarding the various pairings to have been thoroughly disgusted and convinced few can handle it properly. A great amount of fan fiction attests to this.

Sex is part of the equation of romance whether you like it or not. I have yet to hear of romance without it. So by your own admission Link and Zelda can only be good friends since you suggest they are not having sex.

IN GAME EVIDNCE Your denial of the fact that Link being in limbo for 7 years in a state of arrested development is obvious your emotionally frustrated with your lack of proof that Link is an adult mentally. The burden of proof is on you that Link is mature enough to understand sexual desire for realistic romance to actually happen. Your in game quotes are completely irrelevant to prove this, and it only proves that Link understands love that even a child can comprehend and nothing more. OOT Link with fairy = Pathetic eternal virgin with no hope of ever gettin laid. Thats a fact whether you like it or not.

Motherly is actually interchangeable with sisterly if the twin sibling theory were true. I also seem to recall quotes by you that suggest Zelda is the comforter/nurturer to Link in providing much needed maternal affection and reassurance. Nope...no romance obviously in this relationship.

You have yet to hear of a relationship without it? Try older couples that have been married for 40 years. Sex is not always physically possible when you age...do you think these people cease to love each other? Nope. They love each other because their love is based on shared experiences and a deep connection.

Link's not sleeping with anyone, not just Zelda. He's got bigger things to worry about than "chasing tail". If the time came for him to be intimate with Zelda, I'm sure they'd have no problems.

The only thing I am frustrated with is the constant assertion that Link doesn't love Zelda because he didn't sleep with her or demonstrate rabid horny-ness. He didn't show that kind of desire for ANYONE.

As for me not addressing the adult thing, see above. You also have the burden of proof if you want to assert your opinion as the correct one. And Link didn't understand love as a child. The game says he doesn't understand the implications of his engagement to Ruto. ( Yet he clearly does later as an adult )
I don't know how he gained maturity after 7 years asleep. Maybe in his dreams? All I know is that the feeling of the game changed, as did it's treatment of him.

You are twisting my words. My point was that yes Zelda is a comforter/nurturer to him. But that's ALSO the role of a wife, not just a mother. She's not his mother in the end, merely a beautiful and kind girl who loves him and whom he feels at ease with. ( that's key for a romantic relationship. )

I can agree Link gained maturity in a sense over the time of the quest but not enough to understand sexual desire or anything like that. His very actions in the game seemed to indicate that he literally was still a child mentally with him blindly following orders throughout the entire quest. To me the game didn't change that much when he became an adult other than he was just physically bigger. Especially with his actions in the scene in the sky that obviously referenced his constant pure naive innocence.

I don't recall him understanding romantic/sexual love with Ruto other than his comically odd reaction to Rutos nakedness which was obviously a reference to his naive innocence. Link remained a virgin throughout the entire quest so there was no way he came to understand the romantic/sexual love that your talking about. The eternal love Ruto spoke about seemed more to reference innocently pure love that a child should be able to understand rather than sexual love. And Link just stood there with his creepy blank stare of aloof cluelessness. There was no dialogue whatsoever that indicated he understood anything sexually except that he was maturing in his understanding of what he must do to save Hyrule.

I still believe that if Link were to have romantic feelings for Zelda it would be as an adult in the Child Timeline, not the Adult Timeline.

The role of comforter/nurturer can apply to the husband as well. More so in a LinkxMalon than a LinkxZelda for sure. But I admit, the erotic kinkiness that Zelda has to comfort and nurture Link to get him in the mood is an interesting aspect of the LinkxZelda for sure.

Seriously, dude (and yeah, it's obvious you are one because of your typical, perverted remarks), I'm outta here. You're just not taking into consideration ANYTHING that anybody is saying to you. There is debating and then there is being extremely offensive. Show some respect. Anyway, good luck Glidorpilotgirl. I understand what you're saying completely and I agree 100%. See ya.

PERVERT?? Your the one referencing that Link had romantic sexual desire when he is banging on the crystal when Zelda was being carried off. It was far more likely that Link was simply reacting on protective instinct as a child would want to protect a cherished mother or sister. There is no proof in the game that OOT Link with fairy gets horny to have romantic feelings for anyone whatsoever and if you can reference in game dialogue to prove otherwise I'll be happy to discuss it with you.