Other Shipper's section

But this IS a ZeLink forum. I don't think it's fair or right to expect actual ZeLinkers to muzzle or soften our opinions on a conflicting ship because it offends those shippers. Those shippers have chosen to come here knowing what the majority of us will likely believe. If there's any one place we should be able to say what we really think about MaLink, it should be here. I personally am not attacking any shippers. "Attack opinions, not people". A debater needs to be able to seperate the two.
Saying "Malon is not right for Zelda because..." or even attacking Malon is a far cry from something along the lines of "rabid Zelink/Malink fangirls".

Agreed, absolutely.

As far as I can tell (from posts and threads), there wasn't an issue with arguing and harsh, attacking opinions until MalonsLover/GS began. Certainly, there was solid debating before, but real evidence was presented behind those opinions and preferences, not just the opinions and preferences themselves with no evidence to back things up, Malinkers and Zelinkers both included.

But this IS a ZeLink forum. I don't think it's fair or right to expect actual ZeLinkers to muzzle or soften our opinions on a conflicting ship because it offends those shippers. Those shippers have chosen to come here knowing what the majority of us will likely believe. If there's any one place we should be able to say what we really think about MaLink, it should be here. I personally am not attacking any shippers. "Attack opinions, not people". A debater needs to be able to seperate the two.
Saying "Malon is not right for Zelda because..." or even attacking Malon is a far cry from something along the lines of "rabid Zelink/Malink fangirls".

I never said to soften your opinion. I, personally, don't particularly care if you do or not. But "attacking" a particular ship when you know that not everybody who is a member of your forum ships ZeLink in every single game is just asking for people to get offended. Just saying.

Fair enough. But can you give me an alternative place to say what I think? I won't do it in Diamond in the Rough for respect for the ardent Malinkers. I somewhat muzzle myself in Zelda Universe and such generic forums. This place is to talk about ZeLink, and unfortunately that often entails discussing the opposing view not necessarily in a positive light. ( I never said anyone had to be nasty to each other though. )

I take it for granted that people can grant me the respect here to be a Zelinker without compromising. In other words, not trying to convince me otherwise.

I'm in 100% agreement with Saami that attacking a particular ship could offend some people to not want to discuss on these forums. And if that was the way my posts were interpreted, that was not my intention at all. I accept the possibility of a LinkxZelda even if Zelinkers could never accept the possibility of a LinkxMalon, so I'm cool with that.

OK..I have a question for Love of Zelda. On your sig, why is Link taller than Zelda? If I remember correctly, Link in both OOT and TP is shorter than Zelda. Also the taller TP Link on the top heading of the website has blond hair when he should have darker hair. Was this accidental or intentional?? Not that it really matters. Just curious thats all.

Fair enough. But can you give me an alternative place to say what I think? I won't do it in Diamond in the Rough for respect for the ardent Malinkers. I somewhat muzzle myself in Zelda Universe and such generic forums. This place is to talk about ZeLink, and unfortunately that often entails discussing the opposing view not necessarily in a positive light. ( I never said anyone had to be nasty to each other though. )

I take it for granted that people can grant me the respect here to be a Zelinker without compromising. In other words, not trying to convince me otherwise.

Oh agreed and I think it would be kinda foolish for anyone to go to an opposing ship's forum and expect all talk of their ship to be positive. But openly "attacking" is an entirely different matter.

And as far as I'm concerned, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I presented my side of the argument and we agreed to disagree. Debate over and I went about my merry way.

If a topic is merely to say for instance, "Girl A is stupid" than yes, I can agree. I see the purpose of discussing an alternate love interest as a way to build up our counter-arguments, discuss any doubts or weak spots we can see in our own ship. And of course to compare our preferred ship over another and why we feel that way. In a round about way, we are still talking about our own view, or how it is affected.

Previously Love of Zelda requested that I get more info on the sibling theory. I browsed around other forums but instead of posting a big wordy essay from a sibling theorist I found this more simple summary.

1) They both have the same colorings (blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin).

2) They're both Hylians (duh!).

3) They're the same age (read that in one of the answer books).

4) The game talks about Link's mother, but never his father. And Zelda's father is mentioned, but never her mother. And if they were both born "before the King of Hyrule unified the land" when that fierce war was going on. . . .

5) They're both ones "of destiny" (Link was "a child of destiny" and Zelda was "the princess of destiny").

6) They were both chosen by the other two Triforce pieces.

7) It said that the Royal Family had "mysterious powers", and Link seems to have powers similar to that (both he and Zelda have prophetic dreams, remember?).

8) The ghosts of the composer brothers tell Link that he reminds them of Princess Zelda.

9) Impa said that only Royal Family members can learn Zelda's Lullaby. (Of course Zelda had a dream that Impa taught Link the song, but what did she mean that only Royal Family members can learn Zelda's Lullaby? Did Impa realize that Link was Zelda's brother, and therefore a member to the Royal Family?)

EDIT on Impa's actual dialogue:
Only Royal Family members
are allowed to learn this song.
Remember, it will help to prove your connection with the Royal Family.

Also the prologue to MM about the story being cherished by the Royal Family could suggest that Link was part of the Royal Family by BLOOD rather than marriage. I also found this bit of interesting info from Zelda's dialogue in OOT.

What is your name?
.....
Link...
Strange...it sounds somehow...
familiar.

This suggests that Zelda had previously overheard Links name being mentioned by the King or other members of the Royal Family in reference to Link being Zelda's long lost sibling that she was not aware of at that particular time. More than likely after the OOT adventure, whether by the TOW or the King himself, that it would be revealed to Zelda that the name that she was previously familiar with was actually the name of her long lost twin sibling. So in essence the last scene in OOT represents the twin siblings with the TWIN triforces were finally reunited after being seperated as infants during the attack on Hyrule Town years before as referenced in the OOT manga. Thoughts or Opinions??

That's interesting and all, but I think it belongs to a different topic, since in here we're discussing wether or not should we make a forum section for other shippers or not.

Good idea. Thank you for your suggestion Toxo.

Such unrest in the Zelink community!

But to chime in here...I really think people just need to chill. What's wrong with Malink discussion? Nothing, honestly. And yet members here complain about seeing such arguments and topics on a Zelink forum. A valid complaint, but the gist of the argument here is that people of other pairings will come here regardless if most members here do not wish to see posts about it.

So what do you do? One solution is like the thread if for: make a section specifically for Malink chatter. But, why? This is a Zelink forum, duh! Creating such a section goes against what this forum is for, right?

Another solution is to not allow members of other pairings post or discuss about it. Not a very good solution if you ask me, and one I doubt the mods and members here approve of. Why? Well as people have been saying here...other opinions are acceptable, even if it doesn't pertain to a Zelink preference.

My stance is this: allow members to discuss Malink, even though this is a Zelink forum, because the members are entitled to do this. They may get shot down for their preferences and they may not even get any support, but that shouldn't stop them from such discussion. Anything that is otherwise to this you might as well say "No Malinkers/any other alt pairing fans allowed". Fans from all sides will come here, regardless if they like Zelink or not...what matters if their conduct and how they voice their opinions in their posts. So don't give them their own sections to chat about Malink...but the fact that members are irritated that Malink conversation happens here is just silly. It's called pairing debate and preferences and you have a choice of reading the threads and posts if you like. Don't like it, don't read it

What it really comes down to is having fun, am I right? People are here because they like to chat about Zelink and whatnot, so don't let the fact that people here are on the opposite side of the fence bring you down. And to those who think that debating with members is like trying to force-feed a certain pairing down yer throat, let it go. I think I see a lot of personalities here that are pretty set in their ways for pairings and debate in that sense is a bit futile in that people are always going in circles about it. It's tiring, boring and doesn't amount to anything.

The only thing wrong with it is when people fail to recognize that this forum attracts fans for the purpose of advocating ZELINK, not Malink. Sure some members will appreciate it, but it's at the expense of others who come here for the sole purpose of enjoying ZeLink. Should we have to pack up and leave to avoid what we consider unwelcome advocation of another pairing? Fans of other pairings KNOW that we come here for ZeLink.

Think of it this way...how would some Malinkers react if I went to DiTR and started talking about how awesome Link and Zelda are together? About how much better ( by inference ) that the two of them are?

If that's the problem then tell the members or make a rule that such avocation for other pairings won't be tolerated. It just won't make you look good as a forum but if it bothers everyone so much there's not much you can do besides exclude it or tolerate it. Yes, people come here for the purpose of enjoying Zelink but can you honestly say that other members, who do this so-called advocating, do it to hinder the Zelinkers? To make this forum no longer fun? In most cases other pairing fans come to these places to strike up debate and conversation to see what other fans have to say. It's good debate exercise when you have opponents to argue with (in proper conduct, that is, no mud-slinging cause that's just rude).

I would welcome it! Being an admin there I'll be more than happy if you joined and participated in well thought-out discussion. Lord knows DitR could use some life again.

To be frank I am simply trying to be open minded here. Where I admin at DitR we had both Zelinkers and Malinkers around in its heyday. And granted it could be messy at times because people could get emotional and sensitive about some topics, and sometimes that happens in pairing debate despite better judgment. Burt regardless...Zelinkers are welcome to post their ideas, their preferences and opinions on why Zelink is so much better...they'll just be confronted by people who disagree. It happens on forums. Just like it happens here! The only problems I see is when members are being very rude and unkind towards others. Bad behavior is inexcusable in any sort of discussion, be it pairing debate or otherwise.

I wouldn't come there: for two reasons.

1) I can see you are trying to be open-minded, but not all of us are. I'm very set in my belief about Link and Zelda, to the exclusion of all others. Love is like that...a special bond between two that's inherently exclusive. Link loving one means he won't love the other the same way...and if he chooses Malon, it's at the expense of Zelda. I don't accept or support this so my presence at DiTR would not be productive. Any pro-ZeLink remarks are at the expense of Malon...I would consider it disrespectful to drop that in front of her shippers.

2) Love is based on emotion, so therefore the debates will contain it. All of us have had an emotional experience when we played the game..and we will feel emotion in regards to the characters.
In that, I would actually take a certain amount of emotional pain out of the prospect of Link choosing another over Zelda. Video games are supposed to be a source of enjoyment, not angst. A forum that advocates Malon is also indirectly advocating heartbreak for Zelda ( I strongly feel she had feelings for Link ) regardless of rosy alternatives or even kind members.
And I've had my day of debating...I come here to get away from it.

I guess this where we differ significantly in that, at the end of the day...it's just a game. Just a bunch of pixels. And to hear that you find some level of emotional pain...
About Link potentially picking Malon at Zelda's expense! Well...there's not much to argue about over that.

I think you've answered your own questions when it comes to having another section for discussion here for other pairings. You obviously cannot stand it, considering how attached you are to the idea of two fictional characters being together only in a certain way, no ifs ands or buts about it