Friendship = Love ?

What's up with it?

He's the great hero of legend...It was obviously built to honor him and remember that part of Hyrule's history. Why else? You see statues of real life famous people everywhere..same concept.

What GPG said- it's to honor the hero of legend. Fairly simple- he'd done the kingdom a great service. A statue is a way of honoring a person and keeping their legacy alive for future generations.

GPG- Yes, I know the reincarnation theory isn't very popular, but it's always one that made sense to me. I mean, Ganondorf's Triforce keeps him from being killed- it's the reason he's able to keep returning, so it made sense to me that Link and Zelda should have something similar going for them. *shrugs* Plus it's terribly romantic to me that Link and Zelda are able to find each other over and over again. <3333

And I agree, it's so simple it makes my head hurt. I've taken biology in school, studied family history, so I pretty much understand the basics of genetics and what makes an incestuous relationship. That's why I get annoyed when some ignorant person starts spouting off "OMG itz incest!!!" when they clearly don't have a clue on how everything works.

But yeah, it could easily be that the only games that actually exist in the same universe are the ones that we know for certain are in a series, like OoT, MM, WW, and PH. Those are the only really solid ones we have thus far.

The fact that Link and Zelda have similar traits does not mean that they're related, though, GPG. You cannot confirm that they're related simply by analyzing their phenotypes (the fact that Link and Zelda have pointy ears in TP is just to continue what has already been done; to take away their pointy ears is like stripping them of their triforce pieces). This being said, in Oot Link and Zelda are not the only ones that have pointy ears; all of Hyrule's population have pointy ears except the Gorons and Gerudoes.

TP didn't follow preceding games, GPG. Like Oot it emerged in a different universe, thus is only a different version of the story. There is no actual proof in the game that suggests otherwise, being that the "legendary hero" that the gods of light refer to is likely the one (Link) that was foreseen in a prophecy.

In OoT and MC sure. But not in TP ( Ordonians and many Castletown residents have rounded ears ) nor in WW ( Look at the average Windfall Islander's ears compared to Link and Tetra ) nor in ALTTP, games that are suggested to fall later on a theoretical timeline.
The theory I have seen is that humans came from outside of Hyrule proper over time and intermarried with the Hylians ( defined by the ears ) resulting in the blood growing thin.
Anyways, the point I am getting at is that Link and Zelda come from the same gene pool. As more Hylians intermarry with humans and the traits thin out, in order for Link and Zelda to appear Hylian, their parents would have to be. It becomes a smaller pool to draw from, resulting in the odds being higher of them having a common relative. I'm by no means suggesting they are closely or directly related.

Actually, you are wrong on that one, depending on if you take Nintendo' word or not.

This is the director of the Zelda series speaking about it. If you take his word, it all falls roughly in. ( With some blatant mistakes, like Death Mountain and Zora's Domain being switched in placement )

What's up with it?

He's the great hero of legend...It was obviously built to honor him and remember that part of Hyrule's history. Why else? You see statues of real life famous people everywhere..same concept.

Oh yeah..I agree with that definitely. Its just awhile back I came across this theory that after Zelda sent Link back to the Child Timeline, Adult Timeline Zelda became sort of semi obsessed with Link and imposed upon the royal subjects this cult worship thing revolving around Link as this pure & holy virgin child/messiah cult hero that floated away back to the Child Timeline. (A sort of similar parallel with the Jesus story and his eventual ascension back to heaven) Anyway...Then the goddesses became upset at Zelda for starting this new Link religion and had Hyrule destroyed by flood leading to the events of WW.

I don't really agree with this theory and I'd rather believe that the statue represented Zelda's way of honoring Link and nothing more. But did you notice that the statue didn't have OOT Link's signature deformed pointy nose??

Umm....yeah. No offense to that theory's makers, but I think that's ridiculous. My best guess about why Hyrule was flooded? A hero never came when Ganon broke out of the Sacred Realm eventually. At this point the original Zelda was long gone, and her descendants couldn't cope with the threat without a hero. He either failed ( an intriguing thought ) or just didn't come and Hyrule was flooded to get rid of all the evil Ganon brought.
You know, I grow really tired of this continuous slagging of Zelda ( this is not targeted specifically at you, Malonslover ) like she's some sort of idiot. She's not stupid, foolish or even unnaturally focused on Link. She won't throw herself at his feet ( some call her cold as a result ) but rather is a woman of real value who will fight for what she believes in.

Yeah..the theory seems to have this biblical tie to it with Zelda being the creator of this Link religion in hopes that he would one day return somehow like Jesus is supposed to. Its kind of weird if you ask me but at the same time interesting with comparing Link to Jesus somehow.

But in no way do I think Zelda is stupid. Though I have an opinion of her being a little too prudish and motherly for me to believe her and Link are to be romantically involved, I agree with all your points of Zelda being a self reliant, strong independent woman who is a very benevolent leader with lots of wisdom. Its just I don't see how the more simple minded and unassertively humble & gentle natured Link fits into her world romance wise.

I'm not saying they can never be romantically involved but the fact you stated that Zelda won't throw herself at Link in any way seems to suggest that they probably will never be romantically involved. IMO I think Zelda needs to be the one who initiates the romance for her and Link to be in a romantic relationship. OOT Link doesn't strike me as the type who actively pursues romance unless a Malon, Ruto, or Nabooru type initiates the romance first.

I never thought about the statue of OoT Link in WW as an idea of OoT Zelda. I'm convinced that, since OoT Link was known by everyone as the Hero of Time, and since everyone firmly believed no matter what hapenned, he'll come back to save them, it was only natural for them to make a statue in his honor.
Why inside the castle? Because it was easier for the game designers. I'm -that- boring.
Plus, since it led to a cave-thingie with honorific pictures of the sages and the Master Sword itself, I never thought of it as a hint of OoT Zelda's possible obsession.
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Nope, I don't believe OoT Zelda was obsessed.

Besides, Zelda's one of the few who saw Link as an actual human being, a child thrown head first into destiny, not a shinning, heroic figure that came out of no-where, unlike most other inhabitants of Hyrule who I think mistook Link for an immortal figure. (Sure, her dream told her that a shining figure would come out of nowhere to save Hyrule, but she knows the difference between a dream and reality)

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Yeah, it's sad for a ZeLinker to know they'll both have a hard time making the first step: she's wise and rational (or tries to stay rational at all times), he's emotionally introverted... Then again, that's what makes romance lovers drool when they find OoT Zelink fics.
*Kicks fanfiction.net* Tired of yaoi and Mary Sues.
And angsty fluff that has no violence, but that's just me.

Oh, I have no doubts that Zelda could and would initiate a relationship with Link at some point: ( Again, listen to what she says in the MM intro. She's the one subtlely remarking on their relationship. ) she's just going to do it with dignity and class rather acting desperate and falling at his feet. Her desire for him is no less sincere.
Her initiating a relationship with him would probably be along the lines of an honest talk about her feelings.

I really have a hard time believing Link is going to go for the first dreamy-eyed maiden who looks his way just because she's more obvious about it. Here's a point: how many men do you know who like flirtacious and overly eager girls? They seldom marry them, in my experience. And being easy to get does NOT mean they are of any real value in the long run.

Note: KokirianClockwork, did you see the Zelink fan fics thread? I personally can vouch for most of them in there.

No, I haven't. I'll check it out whenever I feel like reading fics! Thanks.

Yeah..I can see Zelda making Link more interested in her with more style and grace or whatever. Despite Link's overtly introverted personality he might be thrilled if Zelda gave him a peck on the cheek, forehead, or the tip of his pointy nose once in awhile. But I don't think the other love interests are floozys if anyone of them were to coherce sweet Link into a romantic relationship. If nature takes its course so what as long as Link is happy IMO.

I'm still not convinced that it took place after Oot. It's out of place and completely random, and I've read in other interviews from previous GamePro magazines that TP didn't follow preceding games. And I'm sorry, but just because Link and Zelda are depicted as both having pointy ears is very little evidence that suggests that they are related. Secondly, you also are not noting the fact that Midna also has pointy ears (and I believe her people do as well), but no one's saying that they're related. Another thing is that the director did not take into consideration that they're pretty much the only ones that have poiny ears; the game refers to the ears more like birth marks that signify that they were chosen by the gods (also, in WW Link was reincarnated as Ganondorf implied at the end of the game, thus they couldn't be related). Besides that, it's not like you can actually pinpoint their "gene pool", so going by phenotype is a really weak argument. You can't test the characters for their genes. It's not like the game director took on a scientific viewpoint to develop the game. Again, I beleive it is done at random as it tries to maintain the natural image that we have always had of Link and Zelda.

Also, I still believe that the different games are only different versions of one another, telling the same, central story in a variety of perspectives.

Going by your argument, however, there could be Hylians with pointy ears (being that there were an abundance of them) that survived to produce offspring up until the point of TP, but it doesn't mean that they have to be related to one another. And since you're specialty is genes, then you should also be familar with the term natural selection, whereby a specific gene is gradually cast aside in order to adopt a newer and perhaps more beneficial one. So, for example, there might be an abundance of light butterflies with a few dark butterflies (that resulted from mutations). If the gene brought on by the mutation (which is genetic) is favored, evolution occurs and the light butterflies are eventually cast aside and the dark butterflies take over. There would of course, still be the small percentage that have the lighter contrast which at any point could follow the reverse pattern, becoming the majority once more. Conversely, the same could be said about the pointy ears.


aa can be used to depict pointy ears and AA can be used to depict rounded ears.

It would have to depend on the number of Hylians that survived to bring the next generation. Thus, their parents would've been the last few Hylians with pointy ears that took on the older form (hope you were able to follow that; I'm kinda tired right now).

I like your well detailed post TM. The way I look at it, if you are not a timeline theorist like myself, I have no problem with you thinking that individual Zelda games stand alone in no specific order. Though most people at the ZU forums and others tend to believe in the split timeline of TP came after MM and WW came after OOT Adult Timeline, I see your arguement as another alternative possibility for sure. But what is your opinion on the origins of the magic armor, hero tunic, and zora armor?? Many Zelda fans believe that these items in TP once belonged to the Hero of Time.

This stuff should be taken to the Timeline thread, guys. ^^ It's very interesting stuff, so I think it should be discussed over there. There's lots of things I want to reply to so, if you can take the discussion that deals with the timeline to that thread, I'd appreciate it! Thanks!

I can't believe no one's brought up this quote before!

As has been shown countless times in the games, Zelda cares more about others than she does herself. In OoT, despite what her own feelings were, she sent Link back in time so he could have those seven years he lost in the Sacred Realm back. But what's the first thing that he did when he was a child once more? He ran right back to Zelda! If he didn't at least care about her, he never would have gone to her in the end.


Now, some of you may try to explain his actions away by saying that he was going to Zelda so the two of them could stop Ganondorf. But look at what happened in the last time they dried to do that: The King didn't believe Zelda's dreams, so Link and Zelda tried to stop Ganondorf, but he ended up getting his hands on the Triforce of Power anyway, and then he had seven years to run a muck.
If anything, a better way to stop Ganondorf would be to go to the Gorons or the Zora (he knows all the songs and paths and whatnot to get into their domains and earn their trust already), convince them of what Ganondorf was about to do, and then have them convince the King to take action. After all, he'd probably be more likely to listen to respective leaders than a pair of ten-year-olds.