The Case for Kingship: Part 1 and 2

Yup. For this reason I hope that Nintendo never publishes their timeline, because all it's going to do is make people angry who believe in other timelines. That famous interview last year with the split timeline made half the Zelda theorizing community go up in flames, and I'd rather not see that again. Linearist vs Splittist etc. It seems some fans take it as seriously as we do shipping.

And the rumors about getting the Triforce in Ocarina of Time, don't forget about that.

For a closer issue to us, there was also those lovely rumors of the deleted scene with Link and Malon riding off into the sunset. However nothing has ever turned up to support that, neither in interviews nor anything else. Aside from a screenshot with Malon photo-shopped onto Epona behind Link.

Anyways...I'm glad I'm not a timeline theorist, because a revelation like that would be akin to the folks at Nintendo telling us "well Link married x and that's why.." Some people would be very upset.

Oh, yes, I know about that rumor. And I've also seen that photoshopped screenshot, which was proven to be a fake.

Yup. For this reason I hope that Nintendo never publishes their timeline, because all it's going to do is make people angry who believe in other timelines. That famous interview last year with the split timeline made half the Zelda theorizing community go up in flames, and I'd rather not see that again. Linearist vs Splittist etc. It seems some fans take it as seriously as we do shipping.

I am not sure, but I thought sometime last year (in June?) that Nintendo confirmed the Split Timeline. I don't remember if they published in order the games, but I am pretty sure that they confirmed the Split. I remember there being a big ruckus on lots of Zelda forums about the whole thing - several people in ZU (back in the day when I was still a regular) left.

Yup. For this reason I hope that Nintendo never publishes their timeline, because all it's going to do is make people angry who believe in other timelines. That famous interview last year with the split timeline made half the Zelda theorizing community go up in flames, and I'd rather not see that again. Linearist vs Splittist etc. It seems some fans take it as seriously as we do shipping.

I am not sure, but I thought sometime last year (in June?) that Nintendo confirmed the Split Timeline. I don't remember if they published in order the games, but I am pretty sure that they confirmed the Split. I remember there being a big ruckus on lots of Zelda forums about the whole thing - several people in ZU (back in the day when I was still a regular) left.

That's exactly what I was talking about. It was sure ugly to see the drama. Fans have strong feelings..so far in the romance department they've avoided ugliness by balancing the "ships" out to the point where it's hard to tell sometimes.

To Angel Zelda: on the bright side, I've also heard rumors of planned ( and never made ) romance scenes in OoT between Link and Zelda, and there's a magazine out there that Crazyfreak found that actually mentions them. And a hug was removed between Link and Zelda in MM. It's in the beta version. Why they removed it I don't know, but if it made it that far, it was obviously to indicate a deep connection between Link and Zelda, maybe it just wasn't right for the final mood they wanted to achieve.

I also heard that in an interview, Miyamoto said that if OoT was a love story, it would be between Link and Zelda. Now if that's not proof...

*sigh* A hug would have been nice. As for the timeline thing. I also have a split timeline theory. I don't know which one is true anymore, or if I really did find a flaw in reasoning for the split-timeline one, but if they release a published version of the timeline, I'll be glad, if not, oh well. I'll just focuse on shipping for now.

I also heard that in an interview, Miyamoto said that if OoT was a love story, it would be between Link and Zelda. Now if that's not proof...

I heard that same statement. That's pretty much outright proof, and he also said in another interview when asked if Link had a girl friend, "If it was Princess Zelda, it would be great. However..." blah blah, something about Navi, and Navi having feelings for Link in the context of the story. ( I can't remember the last part )

You can't always take the interview's to heart though: Bill Trinen's famous remarks about TP Link and Zelda were a sham. Or he was in a roundabout way referring to Midna, we just didn't know it. However this ^ is Miyamoto talking...far more important in terms of intent.

To Z-i-d: Yeah, I agree. I've seen someone say however that the hug made Link look "too depressed to care" in terms of him not responding so maybe it's a good thing it was removed. Depression does that to people: apathy towards loved ones. It doesn't mean he didn't care! Anyways, I thought the final product was a home run in terms of emotional impact...you could practically cute the feeling with a knife.

I think shipping is more fun too. A bit of romance spices a story up a great deal...and "the heart" behind a story is hugely important.

That's funny, because I've played Ocarina of Time several times and I've never picked up any hint of Navi having feelings for Link. She just talks a lot and has a tendency to nag.

That's funny, because I've played Ocarina of Time several times and I've never picked up any hint of Navi having feelings for Link. She just talks a lot and has a tendency to nag.

There's only one real moment I could accuse Navi of *maybe* having feelings...the scene where Zelda says, " It's over!" and Link turns to her, smiles, they just stare at each other...and Navi interrupts. If there ever was a moment for Link to stuff her in his hat and make her be quiet, there you go.

A theory...maybe Navi partially left at the end because not only was he done, but maybe because she knew how he felt about Zelda.

Maybe, but then again, Navi was just apologizing for not being able to help Link in the fight with Ganondorf.

Maybe, but then again, Navi was just apologizing for not being able to help Link in the fight with Ganondorf.

With really bad timing. But Link and Zelda never getting to kiss on-screen, etc has become almost a joke: take PH's lovely scene..Link and Tetra are reaching towards each other...and bam! She literally gets kidnapped out of thin air.

At least we get little hints that things might have happened though...the Magic Armor from TP, AoL's prologue. As to the original subject, I still think Link marrying Zelda to become Hyrule's ruler is an obvious ending.

Well, if you beat OoS/OoA linked, you get a special ending where Zelda kisses Link. And in ALttP (or AoL, I'm not sure which--it's the game where Zelda is in an enchanted sleep), it's heavily implied that Link and Zelda kiss at the end (but of course, we don't actually see it because the curtain drops at the last possible second).

I think Miyamoto did say that Navi had feelings for Link. It was in an interview. I'll check tomorrow, I have to go in a while. I also think that it's obvious that Link marries Zelda and becomes king.

That's probably the same interview I'm referring to. As far as I know though, it was released a year before the game was...somethings had changed. There was also a question flat out where Miyamoto was asked what Link and Zelda's connection was. His reply was something along the lines of: " They aren't "linked" romantically but rather by the Triforce..it's part of the story." ( It's true, Zelda isn't his girlfriend at the outset. They get together to defend the Triforce. Doesn't mean they don't also love each other. )

Angel Zelda: It seems to me that the more serious the relationship, the less likely they are to show anything on-screen. They conveniently "zoom away" for Link and Ilia in TP, the screen fades to brown at the end of OoT when they are just looking at each other, the curtain in the end of AoL, Tetra getting kidnapped in PH, the list goes on. But on the bright side, you can say that if it's too obvious ( Cremia ) than it's meaningless. They would never presume to actually put Link's feelings in words like that. There's always room for denial, hence why we never actually see it.

That could be true, but then again, take a look at any form of entertainment in which a romance between two characters was bound to happen (Han/Leia in Star Wars, Inuyasha/Kagome in Inuyasha, Darcy/Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice, etc.). The feelings that the two characters in question have for each other are almost never "hidden," they're made obvious for the audience (as well as other characters) to see. The feelings between Link and Zelda, from what I've seen, are no expection.

Of course, I've probably missed the entire point of your post and gone off onto a completely different rabbit trail.