Zelda vs Malon, Comparing the two

MalonsLover- This is not about making you feel bad, this is about you following the rules of the board, which includes not bashing Link, Zelda, or their relationship. If you want to say Link wouldn't be comfortable in a royal life style, say that and back it up with acutal proof instread of saying something that demeans both Link and Zelda by calling Link a decoration or a toy for Zelda.

Thank you, GPG. ^^ This is just a way of getting things to settle down, so thank you for directing your queries and discussions to the proper threads.

It's funny you bring up the initiative thing- Malon lacks this, and so does Cremia, but Romani certainly has tons of it. Where she got it from I don't know. O.o But I agree- Malon doesn't take action while Zelda does. Malon's given reason for not doing anything is that Ingo will treat the animals badly if she doesn't listen to him. Granted, I would be just as upset about that but still, when it comes down to it, what's more important: herself and her father's lives or the fact that Ingo might be cruel to the animals? Really it should be a no brainer, which brings up the question is Malon's lack of action really due to the animals, or more the fact that she's afraid to let her life change any more by leaving the way her father did?

Agree. After all the hell that they both went through, Zelda is the one who keeps believing and trying to make that faith into reality. Malon simply gives in to the pressure and doesn't seem to believe that things will ever get better, nor does she try to do something to change that.

OK...maybe I'm taking the IN GAME OOT/MM Link a little too literally. Though I do agree with the concept of OOT Link is really me or you in a way. Its just Link's actions, reactions, and the fact that you can't really say no to anybody except get different dialogue was a tad annoying. Yes I'm the sick and crazy Zelda player who picked NO to Zelda as often as I could and to me the in game OOT/MM Link just seemed to be a sweet and cute but simple minded child eager to blindly follow orders and didn't seem to be like me at all.

Someone with Link's in game personality probably couldn't fit into any lifestyle period but I like to believe that he would adapt to a more comfortable and peaceful humble lifestyle with Malon at the ranch and grow old there. I still can't envision Link living a royal lifestyle in a complicated role of leadership that contradicts his in game personality if you ask me. I still see Link as a follower and not a leader at all like Zelda is.

Whats up with Malon giving up?? How does singing happily at a ranch and training horses mean she gave up?? GAVE UP ON WHAT?? And Malon doesn't have to be exactly like Zelda personality wise for Link to fall in love with her. When did this ridiculous speculative rule come into effect??

MalonsLover - You're still off topic and you're also bashing the characters like Alantie and others have told you countless times. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a guy being sensitive and compassionate. That doesn't mean that people like that are submissive and easily influenced though, so you cannot generalize. Just because he's not a "tough", macho, pervert that is intimidated by strong women doesn't mean he's not strong. Also, you constantly bash him be implying that he's insecure enough to actually feel inferior to Zelda. Anyway, back on topic.

I'm just gonna put this in a simple and concise way.

Zelda

1) She's a strong, independant female, meaning that she does not need to soley depend on a guy to do things for her

2) She is selfless and is very caring towards others. Zelda always puts herself on the line to protect her land and her people (like Link). It's not like she's a stuck-up snob, which btw is only a stereo-type for royalty.

3) Zelda is very much of a tomboy, thus she seeks adventure (which is why we see her posed as Sheik).

4) She never stops making the attempt to solve her problems, such as ridding the land of the evil that spread because of Ganondorf (instead of sitting around waiting for Link to do things, she tries to take matters into her own hands as much as possible, like when she tried to protect Kakariko Village).

5) She is very wise and knows how to avert her knowledge wherever it is required

Malon
1) She depends too much on others, never being able to do things on her own

2) When confronted with a problem she pretty much just obeys what she's told and does nothing about it (when Ingo took over the ranch, Malon did not take the initiative to at LEAST make the attempt to solve the problem; she could have at least gone for help)

3) She does not have much experiance relating to the world situated outside of the ranch, meaning her perspective is very narrow and limited

4) She's too bossy whenever she doesn't get her elating to the world outside of her ranch

5) She doesn't seem to take others' feelings into consideration (immature and childlike)

You know, on a neutral statement, this could be considered Malon bashing, granted I think this is all with reason. ( That makes it debating, not pointless insults. )

I hate to say this ( because someone will scream at me, even if it's true )but I'd almost consider Malon a bit spoiled. The reason I say this is because of the way her father reacts when she is a child. No parent who is afraid of their child will ever withhold anything...they won't discipline them either. Kids like that tend to get spoiled easily.
The fact that her father remarks about having to put her back in a good mood says something, regardless that it was his wrong. So yeah: she has the potential to be spoiled.

As an adult she seems to have lost that fire: maybe because Ingo's cruelty had given her a crash course in being obedient rather than the indulgence of her father.

Zelda on the other hand: I have no reason to believe she was spoiled, despite her wealth. She obviously had tried to reason with her father, but he ignored her. She obviously has a reputation for her visions too ( as the townsperson said ), yet he still didn't listen. Her only thought was her country, not herself. Being spoiled is a matter of being self-focused rather than others-focused like she is.

To Twilight Mistress
First you tell me not to make fun of Link because he seems to be a soft spoken and over obedient weirdo and then you assume that Malon will be bossing him around. Well no arguement there as we both seem to believe Link has a weird fetish for blindly following orders.

To Gilderpilot
I never meant to give the impression that Zelda was spoiled only that it seems that she would motherly comfort Link like a spoiled child. I agree with your points on Zelda but I still think you exaggerate a lot on Malon negatively. She seems that she would be sweet and appreciative of Link than being this cartoonishly spoiled brat to annoy him.

MalonsLover - Where did I say that Link was submissive? If you actually READ my post properly, you wouldn't misinterpret what I'm saying. Also, Zelda doesn't order Link around, so you can't even use that to support your claim. Whatever Link does for Zelda he does WILLINGLY, just because he WANTS to.

Yes..and hopefully he will want to be with Malon and not Zelda. Since MM ended the Child Timeline with Link ultimately leaving Zelda we can never know except theorize what we want Link to do. I just see the LinkxZelda having too much of the opposites attract association to make me believe that they are romantically compatible outside of close friendship.

Twilight Mistress warned you for me, MalonsLover. How many times do we have to ask before it sinks in? Saami behaves herself and doesn't feel the need to antagonize us, so I don't know why you think you have to.

Speculation and putting your feelings on Link, and again, doesn't belong in this section. The discussion is comparing Zelda and Malon as characters.

I don't think TM's list is considered bashing, GPG. it's a list of some of Malon's more negative traits, yes, but it's not saying that Malon sucks or that she's an evil character or what have you. Some of her more good traits are that she's friendly, loves animals, and is obviously very hard working around the ranch, in addition to being a good rider since she set the orignal record at the track.

But. . . I've never said it myself, but I do think Malon is somewhat spoiled, I agree with you GPG. The way Talon reacts to the knowledge that Malon is going to be upset with him is that of an overindulgent father- probably due to Malon's mother dying when she was young, but still. She's the sole focus of her father's attention and concern, and an only cihld, so it figures that she might be a bit spoiled and used to getting her way. It's only an assumption though- she could just as easily have a bad temper, though we never see it. *shrugs* By the time she's an adult she seems to have lost a lot of that fire.

I've never thought of Zelda as spoiled, simply because she spends so much time and energy on others and working towards the greater good. She also lives without the comforts of royalty for seven years in addition and never complained about it. Her father doesn't seem to indulge her either- you'd think if he spoiled her he'd be more inclinded to believe what she said.

Another thought. . . do you guys think that Zelda and Malon would ever be friends, or would they not be able to get along?

Thats a very good question. If both Malon and Zelda were competing for Links affection I doubt that they would like each other at all. If it came to the typical male fantasy catfight I see Zelda winning mainly because her Sheikah skills would give her a clear advantage over the generally helpless Malon.

I believe they could be close friends. Zelda rarely is seen with another female of her age and I think it would be refreshing for her to talk and have fun with someone of her own age.

Malon's cheerful and friendly personality could easily win a place in Zelda's heart - just as Zelda's kind and caring nature could be just what Malon needs in the hard life of ranching. She'd always have someone to talk to about her problems and dreams.

And who's to say they don't know each other at all? Zelda might've visited the ranch while as Sheik or met Malon while she and her father were bringing milk - even though the only time we've seen this happen was with Talon alone.

I think they would get along nicely and be great friends.

Malon would be in awe of the castle and the trappings of being a Princess ( she's that type ) and would probably have great fun with Zelda. Zelda is however a tomboy, so I see her enjoying visiting Malon more than having Malon visit her.

Zelda would probably massively enjoy horse back riding, playing with the animals and just the freedom that Malon enjoys. I see them as opposites: at heart Zelda is the Princess who's desire would be freedom, and Malon the commoner who'd like to be a Princess.

Note that I despise the idea of a catfight. I remember once reading what I'd call a "hate-fic" that resulted in Malon punching Zelda out at one point, and I was utterly disgusted. Zelda is the kindest most selfless person ever, and Malon may have a temper but she'd never stoop so low as to hit someone.

Malon punched out Zelda?? I can't really picture that, as I think Zelda can just easily restrain Malon from doing such a thing. But that is sooo funny. I can maybe see Zelda and Malon being casually friendly aquaintances but not best friends if they were both competing for Link's affection. I think that makes for a good soap opera IMO.

I think they would get along nicely and be great friends.

Malon would be in awe of the castle and the trappings of being a Princess ( she's that type ) and would probably have great fun with Zelda. Zelda is however a tomboy, so I see her enjoying visiting Malon more than having Malon visit her.

Zelda would probably massively enjoy horse back riding, playing with the animals and just the freedom that Malon enjoys. I see them as opposites: at heart Zelda is the Princess who's desire would be freedom, and Malon the commoner who'd like to be a Princess.

You know, when you go to the ranch for the first time and talk to Malon, one of the things she says is, "How did you like the castle? Did you see the Princess?" I don't think it's a stretch to say that Malon would want to be a Princess and be in awe of Zelda, like you said. In retropect, Zelda would love the freedom that Malon gets for being a commoner. In a way, you could say they may envy each other a little--Zelda would want the freedom that Malon gets to enjoy her whole life, and Malon would want all the glamor that comes with being the Princess.

I had forgotten that Malon asks that! XD But now that you bring it up, it certainly has the wheels turning onto what kind of relationship they would have. Malon seems fascinated with the royal life and the idea of being a princess. She would love to be able to visit Zelda at the castle and see all the glittler and glitzy stuff. And likewise, I can see Zelda enjoying time at the ranch with Malon- she's a tomboy and clearly likes to be out and about in the world. I can just imagine her and Malon racing each other around the ranch for the best time on horse back. XD

I've seen them done beautifully in fics as friends- CM's Only in Hyrule does a great portrayal, and I love to think that they would be the type to get along and tease each other, while plotting all kinds of mischief.

Mischief?? What type of mischief?? Like plotting to steal child Link's kokiri hat away or make him fall in mud type of mischief??