Zelda vs Malon, Comparing the two

Yes....I agree that Zelda would totally pulverize Malon in a catfight. What if Link accidentally broke the ocarina?? As the all knowing motherly princess she would scold Link and send him to the royal bed chamber and tell him to stand in place facing a designated corner and wait there until further orders. Of course Link will do as he is told.

True that Link would often be submissively obedient to Malon as well. But to an extent I actually agree with Twilight Mistress in that Link would maybe love Malon enough to be willing to take care of her. As for this Malon bossing Link around, the fact of the matter is Link would be like that in ANY romantic relationship. Thats pretty much the general assumptions of most Zelda fans if you ask me. I just feel the LinkxZelda will hinder Link in performing his Hero duties even more as Zelda's personal wind up doll than Malon occasionally throwing a temper tantrum once in every blue moon. At this point I can care less if Link ends up with Zelda. So be it.

And yeah I would be interested in discussing the whole dream issue of MM. Never played LA but I like the points supporting the dream vs. not a dream debate.

What?!? I never said, nor even implied that Malon and Zelda would come to blows. I merely said that, from an emotional standpoint, Zelda would have a better understanding of what Link had gone through in his whole quest to save the world thing, seeing as she went through some of the same things when she was Sheik. Malon, on the other had, stayed relatively safe on her ranch, with only Ingo to worry about, and he was hardly abusive to her. Therefore, she wouldn't have had the same experiences or understanding that Zelda would have.

And again, you're making it sound as though Zelda is a domineering bitch. For one thing, the Ocarina of Time is a mystical object, and I think it's going to take a little more than some clumsiness to break it.
Second of all, I seriously doubt that Zelda would make Link sit in the corner and think about what he'd done. They're adults, not children, and if the games have shown us anything, it's that Link and Zelda treat each other with respect. If anything, they'd work together to find a way to fix the thing.
She would not treat him as a pampered pet, or a child, or a wind up doll as you said. She has never shown an indication of treating him as such in the game, so please stop assuming that she would. She obviously has great respect for the man who saved her kingdom, and one does not go about treating the ones they respect like mere play things.

And please don't assume that the majority of Zelda fans think Link is a pushover, because we don't.

You seem to have misread what Twilight Mistress wrote as well. She said, and I quote:

Fatherly, as in providing for and caring for Malon in much the same way you said Zelda would mother Link. This isn't to say that Link wouldn't love Malon, it's just that the relationship would be more along the lines of what you believe Zelink to be.

Do his personal desires or comfort really matter though? If you put him with equal responsibility for Hyrule ( and I do ) then no, they don't.
Look at the Hero's Spirit. He mentions the path of the blade is lonely...but necessary to conquer the evils of the world. He understand sacrifice is necessary...again, a massive difference in focus between him and Malon.

Zelda does both, I just thought I'd point that out. She cleaned up Kakariko while Link went to kill some monsters.

And we can agree on that. For the record: if I truly believed Link loved Malon I'd probably want to see him end up with her. I just never saw anything beyond casual flirtations and friendship.

Why? Because she'll never truly live it like Zelda has. She could never imagine the things Link has seen and given up...I think it's something that you have to live to understand. I know we are going to disagree maybe on this, but Malon is nowhere close to as wise as Zelda. When confronted with a problem of Link's magnitude...I can't see her contributing aside from his material needs.

Cremia and Romani are tricky. While I believe they are still seperate people ( Link feeling fuzzy for Cremia doesn't mean he feels the exact same for Malon, a different person. ) they still are so similar that you can consider them a look into Malon in most things. I think the makers actually said something to that effect, about using MM to get a better look into characters from OoT. But it still needs to be seen to understand. Offhand they have differences ( Romani is far more tomboyish that Malon, and not attached to Epona...Cremia is much more mature and wisened than Malon due to hardship )
As for links: The Cremia hug: ( Note that the music during the hug was added in by the player, the original is just crickets chirping )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjH1aP0g-QQ
Dialogue:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/file/197770/20239
( I suppose it helps to have seen the game, anything with "grasshopper" is Romani.
The remark about Romani's Mask is Cremia.)

As I said before, the Cremia hug seems to be only implying that he MIGHT actually be PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to Malon. I don't think me or Saami ever implied that means they are going to get married. It seems that when Zelinkers typically get over defensive about the Cremia hug it reveals their own hidden insecurities that Link is probably not physically attracted to Zelda outside of the inevitable close and motherly/sister type best friend.

The Hero Shade dialogue only implies that he lived the lonely life of a Hero which only means that

A. He never got romantically involved with anyone

B. He was miserable with who he married.

So according to what your are actually saying is that Link will be miserable with Zelda correct??

IMO the Hero Shade as THEORETICAL Hero of Time was refering to a HERO bloodline, not a ROYAL bloodline. IMO thats the proof I need that makes me believe for a possible LinkxMalon that he lived the life of a Hero as a celebrated feudal knight who defended the people of Hyrule.

MalonsLover - first of all, I do not support ANY of your claims, especially since you have no ground evidence to base them on. Secondly, when I was referring to Link being fatherly towards Malon, I was referring to it in a negative light. You misunderstand me completely, and in fact, I really HATE guys that think that they should control everything (which are the "manly, macho" ones you refer to). I have a mind of my own, which is why I hardly relate to Malon at all. I'm only like her in the sense that I'm a major animal lover, but that's it (just thought I'd let you know who you were talking to so that you do not misinterpret what I'm saying, MalonsLover). Link just so happens not to be one of those control freaks, as he as been shown to work alongside others (especially Zelda) to progress throughout the game. If he had any of those controlling qualities, he'd be bossing other people around.

Another thing I'd like to clear up; what actual proof does the game provide that supports Zelda as being controlling? Just because she's a strong, intelligent, independant female doesn't mean that it should be a big blow to your ego. It's quite clear to me that you perhaps feel intimidated by strong women, thus you use Zelda's "controllingness" as an excuse for Link to go with someone that he might be able to control. It should be equal across all levels in terms of relationships; the one compliments the other and vise versa. Such is the very reason as to why Link and Zelda are compatible with one another; they are equal in maturity and experiance, and also share the same beliefs and values because they have endured similar situations.

MMM...You kind of got me figured out I guess. Its just my opinion that Link and Zelda with vastly different personalities and backgrounds make them highly incompatible romantically. Plus.. I can't picture Link being tied down to the castle all the time in living a new royal lifestyle. In a LinkxMalon there would be no need to needlessly adapt since the humble ranch lifestyle is a better match for Links humble personality IMO. To me life in the Castle would make Link to be some sort of oddity out of place and I don't believe he can possibly fall in love with Zelda and force himself to live a lifestyle he wouldn't likely want to participate in the first place.

Again, the evidence provided in the game completely contradicts what you're saying; Link and Zelda perhaps may be from different backgrounds, but they do possess similar traits, beliefs, morals, values, and attitudes towards the same things. For example, both are caring, selfless individuals that will do anything to protect the people of Hyrule. They also share experiances with one another during Link's adulthood when Zelda is in the form of Sheik, which is acknowledged after she reveals her identity to Link; they went on the adventure together, thus are able to understand each other. Another argument that can be made is the fact that upon meeting one another, it wasn't long before they confided in one another, evidence that they connected instantly. That's what a close, romantic relationship is based upon; trust, understanding, unconditional love, and the same beliefs and values that are shared between each other.

Also, don't forget that Link, like others have said, has grown significantly by the time the game comes to an end. With every main character, they grow and change along with the progressive storyline. By saying that Link would settle for a common life is like saying that someone who has just graduated University should settle for a low-paying job like McDonald's. Living within the castle headquaters would allow for Link to be challenged, since it is one of the first places that would be under attack. And in the event that he did choose to live alongside Zelda, it would only be because he wanted to. It's not like you can force someone to stay with you if they really don't want to be around. That's just not how it works.

I'm talking about when it's all said and done. When the fights Link are called to are relatively minor in comparison to what he went through when he had Ganondorf to contend with. When he actually has the time to think about what he wants out of life. When he's growing up.

Zelda had training in that though. She grew up knowing what was expected of royalty and the like. Link didn't have that. And not saying he couldn't learn. Just that Zelda has that experience whereas Link doesn't.

Thanks for the links. Will check them out.

As for the whole Marin argument, I don't believe that Koholint Island was Link's dream for the simple fact that the monsters themselves were so vehemently opposed to Link waking up the Windfish. They continually reminded him that if he were to wake the Windfish that the island and the inhabitants would disappear. They said nothing about him waking up.

The Windfish could have been the metaphorical representation of Link's consciousness, being that if the windfish awakened, so would Link. And, being that Link was knocked unconscious at the beginning of the game due to the shipwreck, how can you say that it wasn't a dream? LA earned its name because the main point of the game is to awaken from the dream. Such is the reason why he mistook Marin for Zelda; there is obviously something that lies within his subconscious that draws him towards Zelda which came out in his dream. Perhaps it's to imply that Link looks at Zelda for the core essence of who she is, which is why he dreamed of her as being much more of a commonor like himself; it's supposed to represent the fact that Link and Zelda are closer to one another than what it really seems, without reverting to hierarchy.

I can see how Link and Zelda's closeness in a shared adventure could possibly lead to romance when Link has matured normally in the Child Timeline. I just don't get the whole they are madly in love because Link likes to obey Zelda in the Scene in the Sky and he thinks about her in just reminding him of the Song of Time in MM. Those cutscenes seem to suggest close friendship not romance. But if you go by the alternative interpretations of the mangas then Link and Zelda would seem believable in that case. To me LinkxZelda will always be the opposites attract romance IMO, but I admit OOT Link and Zelda are actually more romantically compatible than TP Link and Zelda. Funny thing is that I actually ship LinkxZelda in TP mainly because I can't stand Illia.

Marin conversations will be directed there. Discus The Windfish's Dream there. Discuss Termania here.

There's too much conversation about the other games going on in here, so please direct anything you want to say regarding the topics not related to Malon or Zelda to the proper location. ^^

Also, I think this thread is getting out of hand and veering from the original intent, so as the topic starter, I'm adding an edit that I ask you all to keep in mind:

With that being said, I'm asking all the arguements regarding Malink vs Zelink to cease. My original intent with begining this thread was to compare Malon and Zelda as female characters and their roles in the game, not who was the perfect chick for Link. Being that this is a LinkxZelda, it's a given that the majority of us are going to be Zelink shippers. Malink shippers already know this, and we thank you for respecting that. This is not pointing fingers at anyone in particular- this is to get things back on track and stick to the original intent of the forum.

MalonsLover- you ignored me again when I expressly asked you to not bash Link and Zelda. I'm going to report you to a Mod.

OMG!!How am I bashing Link and Zelda??

You're continually belittling Link and Zelda- I have yet to see you say anything that indicates you like any character besides Malon. gr33n_sl33ves pretty much summed it up in her post when she said you make Zelda sound like a domineering bitch. That's considered bashing her character, if you hadn't figured that out. I find it offensive that you continue to to state that she would make Link into a trophey pet- that's as much an offense to his character as it is to hers. I've asked you repeatedly to stop, not just here but in other threads as well.

If you don't like Link or Zelda, I frankly don't know why you're here besides to seek arguments with Zelinkers. That is not what this forum is intended for. There are plenty of other areas for you to debate people- this is not one of them.

Me saying Link is a trophy pet is more of a reference that I can't picture Link wanting to pursue a royal lifestyle. He saved Hyrule just fine just by being his normal humble self. To me a LinkxMalon would continue that for him as he grows from a boy to a more traditional male rolemodel of a provider/protector/comforter in being Malon's husband living a normal lifestyle at the ranch. Link could still be close friends with Zelda to work as a team in keeping the people and diverse races of Hyrule safe and secure IMO. But if you want to report me to a mod fine. My feelings are not going to be hurt.

Can do.

I will take my response to Saami to the Malon thread

As for comparison's: continuing.

Some qualities I see in Zelda that I see lacking in Malon.

1) Initiative. ( Curiously Romani had a certain amount of this. )

Malon doesn't take initiative to fix her situation. I think this is really one of the biggest differences in the two. Both lost control of their domain's in OoT. Malon's was Lon Lon, Zelda's was Hyrule. But Zelda takes on another identity to fight for her land. Malon's secret is sneaking out at night to sing, rather than fight.

2) Faith.

I won't do the long explanation from before, but Zelda has never given up. Malon has.