Malon topic, Yeah.

Once again you aren't backing up your statements with any proof- you spend more of your time trying to tearing down Zelink than you do offering any proof as to WHAT Malon and Link have in common. Which is next to nothing, except the fact that they're both commoners. Woopdeedoo. That's all you've offered on what they have in common while we've offered you thousands of statements about how Zelda and Link share common goals, personality traits, a bond of destiny, and similar experiances.

The proof is in the games itself and it overwhelmingly proves Link and Zelda are obviously not in love outside of pure and innocent emotional attachment. In other words, Link and Zelda are not having any children together anytime soon. The Scene in the Sky proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That's your opinion. Obviously a whole lot of people disagree with you. The majority of the people here think the sky scene was romantic, even my brother who couldn't care less who's paired with who. You haven't given anything solid to disprove it besides your opinion. And you're still not providing anything specific to back up what you're saying besides your personal feelings. Obviously you saw the game in a completely different way than the majority of people here- that's WHY we ask for you to share specifics. That's how you debate and disuss, not by generalizing and avoiding it when the people you're talking to directly ask you to back up what you're saying.

How was the Scene in the Sky romantic?? Link and Zelda did not even embrace each other as normal romantic lovers would. To suggest Link had those type of yearnings as a child in a mans body is giving the wrong message if you ask me. Zelda herself seemed to obviously understand that she was not romantically compatible with Link in his sweet and innocent child like mental state and Link did not even remotely seem interested in Zelda in that type of way at all. So tell me when did Link ever show romantic affection for Zelda outside of typically delusional speculation based on nothing?? I rest my case on that one.

Oh really? You know MalonsLover, you are really becoming disliked on this forum. You are immature and you obviously have no respect for those that have a different opinion from your own.

Can you prove that Link wasn't feeling anything towards Zelda at the time? Can you actually conclude that there's absolutely nothing there, even though it's obvious that something did happen when they were in the sky? If the game was supporting Malink, then I guess the last scene would be shown of him visiting the ranch. So, it seems to me that Link's emotions towards Zelda motivated him to return to her at the end of the game. He had no reason to go back to her, being that his quest was over, but he did anyway. That there suggests that there is something much more than what you're describing.

Btw, there's nothing in the game that suggests the Malink pairing. Sure, Talon asked Link if he wanted to marry Malon, but that was just a joke. Judging by the way Talon reacted "I'm kidding! I'm kidding!" implies that Link's reaction was not a positive one (more like wtf?!).

Also, by the end of the game Link is not a child trapped in an adult's body. If anything, when he turns back into a child, he is a man trapped in a child's body. I mean, it's obvious that he looks at things differently when he's older; he's able to understand things that he never could before. An example is when he finally realizes the implication behind the Zora Sapphire upon finding Ruto in the water temple; he was completely oblivious as a child. "You're not sure what it means, but now you have the Zora Sapphire! Now you can return to Zelda" (the little descriptions that pop up when you recieve things are supposed to reflect Link's inner thoughts; Zelda's letter: "...it's signed by the princess!"). Also, in MM he seems to look at things in a more mature light. He seems to understand and value certain things that other kids would normally take for granted. An example is the fact that he values the ocarina, simply because it is jointly attached to Zelda. As such, it concludes that he is able to understand his feelings as well as many other things and implies that he is very mature for his age. Thus, you cannot use the excuse that he is oblivious when he is with Zelda in the sky in OoT.

I never denied that OOT Link MATURED in a way over the progression and completion of the quest. Its just there is no proof whatsoever that Link had any real understanding of romantic yearnings associated with normal male heterosexual teen/young adults. As evidenced by the scene in the sky and his comically awkward and uncomfortable reactions to the sexual implications of the engagement to Ruto. Remember there was never any dialogue that said that HE DID understand the Ruto engagement other than his awkward reactions which were consistent with his IN GAME naive innocence. I think this whole notion that Link was constantly fantasizing about Zelda throughout the quest is a bit strange and perverted if you ask me. I suggest some of you girls get your mind out of the gutter for a change and face the facts in Link and Zelda's given relationship from the provided evidence in the actual OOT/MM games.

EDIT: And yes Link did have a reason to go back to Zelda at the conclusion of OOT. He had to tell her what he had been through and to warn Zelda of Ganon's evil plan. He wasn't going back to Zelda to marry her. He is a child for crying out loud!!!

Romance is not about sex, and the fact that you keep bringing it up implies that you are very shallow and that you obviously do not know and understand what love is.

Love - Infantile love follows the principle: "I love because I am loved."
Mature love follows the principle: "I am loved because I love."
Immature love says: "I love you because I need you."
Mature love (which reflects Zelink) says: "I need you because I love you." ~ Erich Fromm

Love is the expansion of two natures in such fashion that each include the other, each is enriched by the other. ~ Felix Adler

Thus, the relationship between Malink would is not possible; what does Malink have to offer besides the fact that Link could live a simple life? Nothing. Zelda and Link have so much more to offer to one another in terms of feelings and emotions that they have for the other. They are on equal grounds personality wise, in other words, which is why they'd make the best couple.

So when did Link and Zelda say I love you to each other?? Enough with these psychotic delusions please.

Back on Topic: Yes..I can't prove Link will be with Malon, only that I wished he did for my own personal ideals of manhood in relating to Link. I still can't picture Link and Zelda being physically attracted enough to each other for realistic romance to actually happen and I don't think Link should force himself to love Zelda simply because she is a princess.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't matter what you have Link reply when Talon asks him if he wants to marry Malon. Whether you have Link say yes or no, the result is the same--Talon laughs it off and assures Link that it was a joke ("Haw haw! I was just kidding! Just kidding! I think you're a little young for that, aren't you? Haw haw haw!").

In retrospect, when Link meets Zelda in the Castle Courtyard, she asks questions, then you're given a choice to what Link says. Unlike with Talon asking Link if he'd like to marry Malon, Zelda reacts differently when you choose either one of the choices.

Here are the examples:

Here's a question. Do you want us to take you seriously in a debate? Than I'd suggest you stop insulting us ( "Psychotic" and "Delusion" ) and rather focus on disproving our points. Until you can prove otherwise ( by evidence or reasoning it out ) you can't rule out romance between Link and Zelda. We've got a legitimate reason to believe it was there: experience, romance between Link and Zelda in other versions, plus the collective general opinion shown in published works: cartoons, comics, mangas, even a book based on OoT.

Let me get this straight. Zelda is a beautiful woman...yet Link won't be attracted to her? Link is a handsome man...and the hero of her whole land...and she won't be attracted to him? I think that's a weak argument.
I have yet to see what Malon has that makes her so much more valuable than Zelda in your eyes.

Not only that (continuing from GPG's post), but love goes well and beyond physical attraction. If you can see a person for who they are and acknowledge their inner beauty (despite the fact that they might take on an "unattractive" form), then that is what forms the unconditional love found between two people that have actually fallen in love (Zelink). Unless there is a deep, emotional connection between two people, then everything else is meaningless. You can be attracted to someone but still have no feelings for them (which is what you're implying when you say that Link should go with Malon, just because he's "attracted" to her. What you're talking about isn't love; it's lust). Zelda offers Link that deep, emotional connection and he does the same for her.

Btw, MalonsLover, you try so hard to protect Malon, yet you, yourself are bashing her in the sense that you're implying that all she's good for is to attract Link physically. Also, you're saying that she's a "trophy", whereby she is Link's "item" that he uses for his own fulfillment when it comes to lust. And going by your claim, it's okay for a guy to treat a girl as a trophy, but it's unacceptable the other way around? You can be very sexist in certain ways. You're also pretty much contradicting yourself. Guys do NOT have ownership of women, so you'd better knock it off. I might not like the Malink pairing, but that doesn't mean I hate Malon.

*rubs head* Ok, MalonsLover, enough is enough. Twilight Mistress and GPG are right- you've done nothing but antagonize everyone on here, insult us, and generally made a nuiscence of yourself. We've all asked nicely, we've been firm about it, and it doesn't seem the point is getting through to you. If you can't stop, the only thing left to do is ban you. If you don't want that to happen, you need to listen to what we've been saying, and take it seriously- it's not a joke. This is not a general Zelda forum, or a shipping form for anything BUT Zelink. If you don't like it, then go to another forum- there's plenty out there that will let you do what you've been trying to do here. It's not that complicated- I don't know if you think you're going to change our minds by continuing to spout your Malink stuff, but that's not going to happen. This is a place for fans of the paring Zelink- we welcome other shippers, but we ask that you respect our pairing and realize that you are in the minority and will see Malink being discussed as a pairing we do not support. We have other Malink shippers here and there has never been a problem until you came. Obviously, that's saying something. If you cannot comply and behave yourself, then you're either going to have to leave on your own, or one of the mods or admin will ban you. It's as simple as that.

With that being said. AGAIN. Sex/lust/wanting do NOT mean love. TM gave great examples of this, and I'm not going to dwell on it further except to say that you are the only one who keeps bringing it up, so clearly you're the only one who is either immature enough not to realize the differnece between love and lust, or you have some sort of problem with this issue. Either way, by virtue of your own argument Malink wouldn't be possible either since Link doesn't show any physical desire for her. Or is simply with Zelink that you apply this? In any case, it's a weak arguement and you seem to be confusing the pixal character and his feelings with your own.

If you want to debate and discuss, you can't do it without offering something to support your own thoughts and beliefs. Every time I've asked for you to support Malink, you either dodge it or retort with some issue about Zelink that's already been covered by our own statements.

GPG hit this on the head- you've got nothing that says that Link and Zelda are not physically attracted to each other. Zelda is a beautiful girl. Link is a handsome guy, who clearly attracts the ladies. You can't say that they aren't attracted to each other. Unless you're suddenly the game creator, now?

I only meant physical attraction is the necessary ingredient for marriage and having children. Again..none of you have provided any proof that Link and Zelda would feel this way for each other and I doubt none of you ever will. The cartoon is about the more macho/manly AOL Link who is obviously attracted to Zelda. OOT Link doesn't seem attracted to women at all (Zelda, Malon, Ruto ect ect.) except that he likes to follow their orders and nothing more.

None of you are any more different than me in my own idealistic theories as well. I see nothing wrong with Link settling for a comfortable humble lifestyle at the ranch and maybe falling in love with Malon. I'm also confused with how some of you seem to want Link to live as Zelda's over obedient freak on a leash/sex slave, then all of a sudden you say that their love is non sexual and just based on emotional attachment. I agree 100% with the latter but why do I keep seeing this redundant theme from the former?? Someone enlighten me please on this continuing waffling perception of the LinkxZelda THEORETICAL romance.

Apparently you can't read since you ignored my entire post to you.

AGAIN none of us have ever said anything about Zelda or Link in a sexual relationship, let along anything about Zelda dominating Link on a leash. That is entirely you're own statement there, so stop putting words in our mouths buddy. You're the only person here who has brough up the sexual issue, and we've asked you to stop.

And again, I love that you continue to ignore the requests for you to back up your statements or to give any credit to where your ludicrous ideas come from besides your own head.

Alantie said:
AGAIN none of us have ever said anything about Zelda or Link in a sexual relationship.

Thank You...thats all I needed to know. Then we are in 100% agreement then.