Defending the Princess, Why Zelda?

Yes, I adore Cloti. And you know what? Ever since I first saw my cousin play FFVII, I've always thought Cloud loved Tifa. I didn't know about Aeris till later, and even then, I didn't think Cloud was really interested in her.

But Toxo's right; we're off-topic.

On a more relevent subject, what is up with the "Zelink = Oedipus complex" thing?! I really don't understand that, and I'm not sure I want to. Is MalonsLover seriously suggesting that Zelda is Link's mother figure?

Yes, Malonslover is. I know, I don't quite agree with that statement either, but from a Malink shipper, it's expected from them. Still no excuse, so Malonslover: Don't ever say that again! She simply cares for him too much! If you were trying to protect the one you love, you would most likely do it in a way that APPEARS motherly! Women are like that.

Well if Zelda really is the nurturer and comforter providing sagely guidance and motherly wisdom for Link its obvious she is a sort of motherly role model for Link wouldn't you think?? But I stated since Zelda is not genetically Links mother, the romantic relationship is morally possible but it would make for an interesting wedding night for sure.

Speaking of genetics, I'm sure all of you have heard the old but not so popular theory that Link and Zelda are fraternal twins seperated from birth. Well I've read this theory being proved several times by using the OFFICIAL Ocarina of Time character art in comparing Link and Zeldas very similar facial features. As a matter of fact..look on the last page of the Case for Kingship thread and the very same character models used to prove Link and Zelda are brother and sister are right there. Anyway..according to this theory, the final scene in OOT where Link goes back to Zelda represents siblings finally reunited at last. Thoughts anyone??

Oh, dear...the sibling theory. I've disproved this theory before and I'll do it again.

You've mentioned the similarities in the way Link and Zelda look--they both have blond hair and blue eyes. This is a moot point. Take a look at the real world; millions of people have similar hair and eye colors and are not related.

And how the heck do you make of the final scene in OoT representing siblings being reunited? That's not what I got out of it at all. I've always thought it meant Link returning to who he considered home, even if Zelda didn't remember what had happened during the alternate timeline.

Yes Angel of Zelda. I agree 100% on the Link coming home thing. I don't care much for this theory either as it is WAAAYY too LinkxMalon friendly..even for me. The only thing I kind of like about the theory outside the subject on romance, is that it gives an easy explanation to who Links mother is, who also happens to be the MYSTERY QUEEN. Therefore Links mystery father is actually the King of Hyrule himself. Gasp..If this theory were true along with the magic armor that means Zelda is willingly and knowingly marrying her fraternal twin brother without even telling him. Yeah..I understand perfectly why you Zelinkers detest this theory. I even don't like it but it does explain a few things about Links actual parents rather easily don't you think?

It's been confirmed that Link's father was one of the knights of the Hylian army. According to your theory, if Link's mother was the Queen, she would have to have had an affair with the knight.

And I don't know if you've completed the Forest Temple, but after you do this, there is a cut scene with the Great Deku Tree sprout explaining to Link how he came to live in the Kokiri Forest. Link's mother was gravely injured (at that time, a war was going on) and went to the Kokiri Forest with her infant son. Before she died, Link's mother requested that the Great Deku Tree take care of her son.

If Link's mother was the Queen, as you say, then her going to the forest in the middle of a war makes absolutely no sense. I imagine that she'd be perfectly safe inside the castle, and even if for some reason she did escape to the forest, why would she take Link and not Zelda, too?

Honestly, there are holes in this theory that you can drive a truck through.

It's been confirmed that Link's father was one of the knights of the Hylian army. According to your theory, if Link's mother was the Queen, she would have to have had an affair with the knight.

And I don't know if you've completed the Forest Temple, but after you do this, there is a cut scene with the Great Deku Tree sprout explaining to Link how he came to live in the Kokiri Forest. Link's mother was gravely injured (at that time, a war was going on) and went to the Kokiri Forest with her infant son. Before she died, Link's mother requested that the Great Deku Tree take care of her son.

If Link's mother was the Queen, as you say, then her going to the forest in the middle of a war makes absolutely no sense. I imagine that she'd be perfectly safe inside the castle, and even if for some reason she did escape to the forest, why would she take Link and not Zelda, too?

Honestly, there are holes in this theory that you can drive a truck through.

REMINDER: This is NOT the theory I support. I'm only bringing it up to hear everyones critique on it for my own information on both sides of the issue.

As for the war, to summarize this theory on that issue: It explains that before and during the War, Hyrule was like this Republican form of Democracy and the King himself at the time was just a Hyrule knight married to a Hyrule town commoner. Anyway this theoretical sacking of Hyrule town happened and somehow during the chaos, the King of Hyrule, STILL ONLY A KNIGHT of the Republic, was seperated from his wife and Link, never to see them together again, while he managed to remain to take care of Zelda. After Hyrule Town was rebuilt with its surviving citizens, the King went through a process of moving up through the ranks during the Hyrule counterstrike that by the end of the war he was elected as Hyrule's first true King. From the big wordy essays I read this from, the Hyrule Kings life story from Hyrule Knight to King resembles historical figures like Julius Caesar and maybe a twist of Richard the Lionhearted for his theoretical character and personality.


To me the Link and Zelda as closely related fraternal twins is nothing more than an alternate POSSIBILITY. Its definitely not the theory I personally support for sure. The theory only goes on its strong points on the explanation of Links actual parents and LinkxZeldas more SPECIAL relationship being just a simple reference of their unique close bond as twin siblings.

Not to mention the CASE FOR KINGSHIP is a slam dunk in the sibling theory along with the possible validity of the magic armor in TP being specially made for a coronation and marriage. The morality of the Kingship is questionable but still possible. But yeah..I still support the Zelda as NURTURING and COMFORTING Motherly best friend instead of the NURTURING and COMFORTING Protectively caring twin sister Zelda.

Zelda is awesome! Those who bash her have no life!

Correction. Those who bash her need to stop looking at the artwork and play the darn games. XD

Seriously though, the princess is never underrated by the bad guys. She's always the first to go down. Why? Well geez I don't know... Maybe because SHE'S A DANGER TO THEM? Yeah, why not.
If she was a useless princess, they wouldn't have had taken the time to capture her and try to take away her powers. They would've just come up to her and say ''hi, I want your kingdom. No? Then die. The end.''

Link always gets away with it because he looks frail and can't use magic the way the princess can. No offence, Link.
He still has to find weapons of mass holyness to defeat evil. And in some games he even needs the princess' help in order to defeat the said evil.
Even the Zelda we have to save in AoL was put to sleep, but only by a spell so powerful the guy who cursed her died afterwards.
In OoT I'm convinced the reason why Ganondorf caught her so easily near the end was because she was exhausted by the magic she used to hide as Sheik. (No, I won't go with the manga's theory on Sheik. *Shrugs*)

And the insults people throw at her make me want to go Ganon all over the Internet.

Feels good to imagine that.

I've been through enough character bashing.

And many have considered Zelda's seemingly sole ability to use magic as a weakness on her part as well. This supposed "misogynism" on Nintendo's part is what I believe spurred them to make her vital to WW Ganondorf's defeat. But what many people who shout "sexist!" don't think about is that Link and Zelda together are a force to be reckoned with. Without Courage, Wisdom is just head knowledge. Without Wisdom, Courage is just foolishness. The combination of the two makes for real Power, as opposed to Ganondorf's semblance of power.

Yeah, Nintendo's sexist for making Zelda magical, and racist for making Ganondorf ''zomg black''.
Some people should stop with the freaking finger pointing. *Is DEATHLY annoyed at the two assumptions*
And I do think that making Ganondorf, a man OF THE DESERT, white skinned, would've been more racist than accepting that, hey, dark skin does help when facing the desert sun. Geez. Besides Nabooru makes up for it, she's awesome.

I whole-heartily agree with you, Love-Of-Zelda.
Ganondorf CAN considered a wizard, so Link just can't do the job all on his own when Ganondorf's power is full.

Beisdes Sheik=pure physical wow-ness, even more than Link in some cases (yeah, I base my theory on SSB a lot here). I don't think even magic can give Zelda all those ''ninja'' abilities. More comfort perhaps (dresses aren't great when using your fists), but I believe she DOES know how to throw a good punch. Whether she's hiding behind the illusion of a man or not.
Plus, bows look light, but using those things recquire a lot of arm strenght.

On a last note, girls ARE known to be closer to the ''paranormal'' than guys. (Though I know a guy who's good at it.) Some people should friggin' accept it. (I say paranormal, some just call it a sixth sense. In a fantasy world, it'll make sense for it to be simply put as ''magic''.)

Personally I think TP Zelda is the most sexist Zelda to date. OOT and WW Zelda have that tomboy aspect that makes them more likeable personality/character wise than TP Zelda who seems to be the ideal embodiment of the formally prim & proper all wise & all knowing princess/goddess stereotype.

You consider that ''sexist''? Please explain how it is sexist then.

I mean, if looking feminine and distant is a crime.

Seriously though, WW and OoT Zelda had their chance, not TP Zelda. She was trapped since the beginning, she couldn't start acting all ''omg tee-hee kick ass.'' She's by far the oldest Zelda yet and had no chance to act otherwise than what we've seen. OoT Zelda had that little something that made her out of the ordinary as a child, and then there's Sheik. WW Zelda is still a kid and has no kingdom to protect. TP Zelda, since we see her the first time, is heavily burdened by the will to protect her people, yet failing. She was trapped and even if she could find a way to escape, her people were taken as hostage. I don't see what's even remotely sexist to make her the way she is. Maybe as a younger woman she would've acted differently (I can see young WW Zelda saying something snappy to Zant, even when in defeat), but I am convinced she is older than Link (not by much, but by enough) and somewhat more of a ''queen'' than a princess. Maybe she was going to be coronated soon. I haven't heard of another ruler in Hyrule in TP.
We could try comparing her to Midna, but even OoT Zelda doesn't have that arrogant attitude Midna has.

Anyway just trying to understand why you used the word sexist.

Maybe sexist is a harsh word. I meant more as cliche and stereotypical.

I believe that Nintendo wanted to portray that Zelda was a calm, rationalized human being who can carefully organize her thoughts into action. How is that sexist? Sexist means that one is not accepting towards anything that does not embelish the traditional gender roles. For example, it is sexist to believe that women should do so called "womans work", being that a guy is fully capable of performing the the same tasks. It is also sexist to believe that guys are the head of the family and that everyone should cater to them. That's sexist.