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Defending the Princess, Why Zelda?
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Nope because the magic armor is simply dismissed by Malon and Ruto shippers as a specially made armor for the HERO OF TIME not Zelda's consort. Your simply implying that Ganon can marry Link or Zelda with his tiara/crown representing the TOP. Then the debate becomes a weird mess. But the point I made earlier with SOME ZeLinkers in being annoying in their "ZOMG!!ZOMG!! Link and Zelda have matching triforces so they should marry!!! ZOMG Like totally!!" stems from the magic armor. Its simply dismissed as more symbolic than literal with the tiaras, because it would support for a LinkxGanon and GanonxZelda if it was taken literally. So in other words the magic armor only represents symbolically uniting/marrying the TOC with TOW in reference to the chosen HERO, not consort, DEFENDING, not marrying, the princess/ruler with the TOW. Before you flame me to bits, I think your Magic armor + Hyrule Town = LinkxZelda holds up well to the other MaLinker Hero tunic + Ordon = LinkxMalon, and Rutolinker Zora armor + Rutela/Ralis = LinkxRuto in regards to TP. Like I said, I root more for a LinkxZelda than a LinkxRuto anyway.  To me they're all good theories in their own right. But neither guarantee anything IMO. Still I prefer the other woman pairing with Link being a vassal/knight with his own fief(LonLon ranch) in defending his land and all the kingdom of Hyrule riding around with Epona.  With him being with Zelda, based on what I have read in your posts and LOZ's posts, Zelda as puppetmaster, would push Link up onto a platform and enforce the royal subjects to worship Link like some pagan demi god. I can just see Link stand there with that same bewildered and confused blank look on his face from the scene in the sky, wondering why Zelda is forcing everyone in Hyrule to worship him.
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| QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 10 2008, 02:36 AM) | Nope because the magic armor is simply dismissed by Malon and Ruto shippers as a specially made armor for the HERO OF TIME not Zelda's consort. Then your simply implying that Ganon can marry Link or Zelda with his tiara/crown representing the TOP. Then the debate becomes a weird mess.
But the point I made earlier with SOME ZeLinkers in being annoying in their "ZOMG!!ZOMG!! Link and Zelda have matching triforces so they should marry!!! ZOMG Like totally!!" stems from the magic armor. Its simply dismissed as more symbolic than literal with the tiaras, because it would support for a LinkxGanon and GanonxZelda if it was taken literally. So in other words the magic armor only represents symbolically uniting/marrying the TOC with TOW in reference to the chosen HERO, not consort, DEFENDING, not marrying, the princess/ruler with the TOW.
Before you flame me to bits, I think your Magic armor + Hyrule Town = LinkxZelda holds up well to the other MaLinker Hero tunic + Ordon = LinkxMalon, and Rutolinker Zora armor + Rutela/Ralis = LinkxRuto in regards to TP. Like I said, I root more for a LinkxZelda than a LinkxRuto anyway. To me they're all good theories in their own right. But neither guarantee anything IMO.
Still I prefer the other woman pairing with Link being a vassal/knight with his own fief(LonLon ranch) in defending his land and all the kingdom of Hyrule riding around with Epona. With him being with Zelda, based on what I have read in your posts and LOZ's posts, Zelda as puppetmaster, would push Link up onto a platform and enforce the royal subjects to worship Link like some pagan demi god. I can just see Link stand there with that same bewildered and confused blank look on his face from the scene in the sky, wondering why Zelda is forcing everyone in Hyrule to worship him. |
It's both: made for a Hero AND the male equal of Zelda. The only way this would happen was if the Hero WAS royalty, or became it. IMO, you can dismiss it if you want to but the resemblance is too marked to be an accident. They could have made an entirely different armor suit if they hadn't wanted to make implications of Link x Zelda.
The pairing the Triforce's theory has been around longer than the Magic Armor. And there's no implication of a Zelda x Ganon theory whatsoever: he's the king of his own people, the Gerudo. That is why he wears a crown. Link's no ruler in his own right, and his crown is a duplicate of Zelda's, that's why he's linked to her. In your opinion. I don't buy the symbolism stuff remotely.
Link is the kingdom's hero. He's going to attract fame where ever he goes. Zelda would not and wouldn't have to make anyone like him, they already would. She wouldn't force anything on him to begin with: whatever he does is his choice. And this insistence on Link's stare making him blank, confused etc...it does no such thing. The graphics were not good enough to allow anything else really. That's like saying that Hyrule only has 100 people based on the game's limiting factor of memory. Link is also supposed to be a blank slate: he's the player.
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| MalonsLover |
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I don't support a LinkxGanon, all I'm saying is if you took your arguement to a rabid MaLinker or RutoLinker, you would be attacked with 2 page essays to support their theories on the tunic/armors of TP, and then it would just go in circles and nobody really wins the debate at all. To me, basing marriage soley on meaningless tiaras with symbolic triforce jewels and armor that takes away your money gives off the feeling that your suggesting that LinkxZelda should be forced to marry, when you bring up the issue of triforces in relation to OOT and TP. IMO, your points on relating the bond of friendship of OOT/MM LinkxZelda are your most convincing theories. To each his/her own I guess.
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| QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 10 2008, 03:22 AM) | I don't support a LinkxGanon, all I'm saying is if you took your arguement to a rabid MaLinker or RutoLinker, you would be attacked with 2 page essays to support their theories on the tunic/armors of TP, and then it would just go in circles and nobody really wins the debate at all. To me, basing marriage soley on meaningless tiaras with symbolic triforce jewels and armor that takes away your money gives off the feeling that your suggesting that LinkxZelda should be forced to marry, when you bring up the issue of triforces in relation to OOT and TP. IMO, your points on relating the bond of friendship of OOT/MM LinkxZelda are your most convincing theories.
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No, I'm using physical evidence to support a point. If you want to ever debate a timeline theorist, that's exactly what you have to do. I respect feelings as a point to argue from, but they are greatly subjective. You can't quantify them and seldom call anyone's feeling perfectly correct. ( Though I do feel that some interpretations have more basis than others ) Most of the time if I try to bring the heart aspect into it, I won't get taken seriously. ( Other than here, because most feel the same I do )
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True...but the magic armor is the most easiest one to dismiss with the points I have provided. Not to mention, TP LinkxZelda are forced to marry each other whether they like it or not based on your logic. I still have yet to read anyone dismiss the Hero tunic or the Zora armor as easy.
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| QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 10 2008, 03:42 AM) | | True...but the magic armor is the most easiest one to dismiss with the points I have provided. Not to mention, TP LinkxZelda are forced to marry each other whether they like it or not based on your logic. I still have yet to read anyone dismiss the Hero tunic or the Zora armor as easy. |
I'm totally confused. I don't see what points you are referring to aside from your personal interpretation.
To dismiss the others? King Zora gives Link the ability to breathe underwater in OoT. Queen Rutella passes on the same ability to TP Link. This is a reference, also allowing the character the same skill. The Green Tunic is the standard outfit of all heroes, and TP Link receives it in order to fulfill this. Where's the logic, precedant or purpose in them handing him a royally-inspired outfit?
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| QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl) | Actually, it's more of a "They must have actually got married" theory than they should get married. I mean, you can make the case how nice they look in TP and therefore for those two, but the implications are bigger for the Hero of Time Link: this armor pre-existed TP Link. All the others are linked to the previous hero, logic suggests the same factor is at work for the Magic Armor. |
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GILDERPILOT SAID:What he really needs from her is wisdom. She understands him and it's not hard to tell unconditionally loves him: I think that would have him returning again and again, even if he couldn't grasp why. I might have misinterpreted this statement as Links relationship to Zelda as supporting my theory that LinkxZelda is more likely to be a nurturing mother to innocent child/son relationship. Therefore its far more likely that Link's romantic relationship will be with the alternate love interest of choice, or Link will go on the final quest, similar to Love of Zelda's interesting theory.  Well at least I thought you were on my side on that one. I admit I too get annoyed with the Malinker "He got the hero tunic at Ordon. So OOT Links descendants are of HUMBLE origin/lineage. And both Links have Eponas. RutoLinkers: The engagement dowry Nuff Said. To me the TP Tunic/Armors were put there on purpose with their own little subtle hints for all the Zelda, Malon, Ruto shippers to feel they have a claim to their theories. Like I said, your points on the magic armor are decently acceptable. But to me your more convincing for a LinkxZelda best when you relate points to their bonding friendship for a possible marriage when Link and Zelda come of age.
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No you misunderstood me. Your theories on the magic armor hold up as much water as the Malon and Ruto shippers supporting their theories based on their preferred tunics/armors from TP. Until there is proof of dialogue in TP that the magic armor was made specifically for a coronation or marriage, it will continued to be dismissed as just a ceremonial armor made for the Hero of Time like the Zora armor. In other words there is nothing about the magic armor that makes it more special than the Hero tunic or the Zora armor, other than it takes money away when you wear it. Sorry...not many Zelda fans share your one dimensional point of view. There are even Zelinkers that don't care much for the magic armor theory because they themselves consider it a weak arguement for a LinkxZelda anyway.
As I said, using the bonding friendship aspect of LinkxZelda to support your theories seem more convincing than the magic armor theory IMO. Yet I tend to read sentences once in awhile from you and LOZ that support my theory that Zelda is better suited as a motherly role model for Link instead of a romantic lover. Usually I get this impression that you and LOZ agree with each other that Zelda needs to coddle Link like a child which implys more to a mother/son relationship than a man/woman relationship. I would tend to agree as the OOT cutscene in the sky speaks volumes to support this. And when Link returned to Zelda at the very last scene, it seemed to suggest more that he was seeking out Zelda in reference to a mother instead of a lover.
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| QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 10 2008, 04:58 PM) | | As I said, using the bonding friendship aspect of LinkxZelda to support your theories seem more convincing than the magic armor theory IMO. Yet I tend to read sentences once in awhile from you and LOZ that support my theory that Zelda is better suited as a motherly role model for Link instead of a romantic lover. Usually I get this impression that you and LOZ agree with each other that Zelda needs to coddle Link like a child which implys more to a mother/son relationship than a man/woman relationship. I would tend to agree as the OOT cutscene in the sky speaks volumes to support this. And when Link returned to Zelda at the very last scene, it seemed to suggest more that he was seeking out Zelda in reference to a mother instead of a lover. |
Well, if you are reading an anti ZeLink argument in our sentences, than you are drastically misinterpreting our intent. I've already made my case why even a motherly aspect doesn't invalidate a romantic relationship.
Hmm. Once again, misunderstanding us. I think Link is a mature enough man to be able to make his own decisions yet even the strongest of men need comfort now and then. It doesn't make them weak! Nor does seeking wisdom make a man weak either. It makes him smart. You seem to imply that whenever Zelda provides these, she is somehow disqualifying herself from romantic competition. Reality would find you very wrong. When Link needs to be himself and open his heart, who's he going to seek out? Her. Not some other girl.
This mother-child thing can come up again and again, but Zelda is in the end not his mother. She's a beautiful girl his age, kind and loving towards him and they are close: he's likely going to be attracted to her.
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GILDERPILOT SAID: When Link needs to be himself and open his heart, who's he going to seek out? Her. Not some other girl.Yes..I agree with this point 100%  I guess according to you, its not unusual for a man to seek out his mother more for guidance and wisdom of the heart, instead of a romantic lover. So I guess reality proves me right again. Thanks again Gilderpilot. Well, you misunderstood me as well. I never said it invalidates a LinkxZelda. After the MM adventure, I don't know what happened so to me the possibilities are endless in this issue. I'm simply trying to understand what your image of reality for Link is thats all. And it seems that more than once your quotes on this issue are consistent to my own preferable LinkxMalon theories thats all. But I admit the mother/son relationship can grow beyond what the Saria relationship went to. IMO Saria and Zelda are almost identical to that nurturing motherly like best friend role model that Link craves and needs. Saria was that love of a mother type friend to make Link feel like he belonged living in the kokiri forest in the beginning. At the end that nurturing and motherly loving role model is obviously replaced by Zelda as the scene in the sky indicates. Still its possible that once Link comes of age this type of mother/son relationship will change into physical attraction in a Odeipus complex like romance.  So I think its clear that I accept the possibility of OOT/MM LinkxZelda.
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| QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Sep 11 2008, 12:11 AM) | | But I dislike this insistence that Link will have to develop a physical attraction before romance can start: to me it shows no understanding of love. Physical attraction is important, but it's not why people fall in love. It's never enough to keep people in love either. A heartfelt deep connection is what love really is. Zelda already has it with Link. |
I absolutely agree with this particular point, gliderpilotgirl; I think physical attraction is necessay in a relationship, but physical attraction is simply not enough. If a relationship is based solely on physical attraction, then I'd give it about a month before it falls apart.
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| QUOTE (Angel Zelda @ Sep 11 2008, 12:33 AM) | | QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Sep 11 2008, 12:11 AM) | | But I dislike this insistence that Link will have to develop a physical attraction before romance can start: to me it shows no understanding of love. Physical attraction is important, but it's not why people fall in love. It's never enough to keep people in love either. A heartfelt deep connection is what love really is. Zelda already has it with Link. |
I absolutely agree with this particular point, gliderpilotgirl; I think physical attraction is necessay in a relationship, but physical attraction is simply not enough. If a relationship is based solely on physical attraction, then I'd give it about a month before it falls apart.
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I have no doubt that Link would be physically attracted to Zelda from the outset ( she's very beautiful ) but that's not why I think they'll end up together: it's the relationship they have that does that. People forget how fast beauty fades...and how it doesn't reflect on who a person is at all. You can't love someone based on the shell.
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