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 Defending the Princess, Why Zelda?
Love_of_Zelda
Posted: Sep 8 2008, 02:06 AM


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QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Sep 7 2008, 08:01 PM)
It's not remotely peachy: imagine being born into a role. Having no choice about what you will be when you grow up, no opportunity to make normal friendships, and even having to carefully consider the man you will marry in terms of "is he good for my country?"
I definately agree the lack of freedom would cause her great chagrin, especially when younger. Link's tales would be an escape for her without actually having to break rules.

Completely agreed. Zelda was born into a role, and this also means that she would be born into the expectations that are placed on a princess and future queen. Not only would Link's stories be an excellent escape for her, she would be an emotional support for Link.
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gliderpilotgirl
Posted: Sep 8 2008, 02:19 AM


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QUOTE (Love_of_Zelda @ Sep 8 2008, 02:06 AM)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Sep 7 2008, 08:01 PM)
It's not remotely peachy: imagine being born into a role. Having no choice about what you will be when you grow up, no opportunity to make normal friendships, and even having to carefully consider the man you will marry in terms of "is he good for my country?"
I definately agree the lack of freedom would cause her great chagrin, especially when younger. Link's tales would be an escape for her without actually having to break rules.

Completely agreed. Zelda was born into a role, and this also means that she would be born into the expectations that are placed on a princess and future queen. Not only would Link's stories be an excellent escape for her, she would be an emotional support for Link.

What he really needs from her is wisdom. She understands him and it's not hard to tell unconditionally loves him: I think that would have him returning again and again, even if he couldn't grasp why.
She's really the only girl I can see who is truly worthy of him. Selfless, beautiful, and brave, she'd likely catch his eye even if she wasn't a Princess. I think she's also truly worthy of her crown...not just given it by her birth
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MalonsLover
Posted: Sep 8 2008, 04:29 AM


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Love of Zeldas quote: Link's journey in MM was for deep psychological, soul-searching decisions - in other words, it was a journey for himself. The fact that the Daphnes says that he was "called to embark on another journey" makes me believe that he went on a mission in which Link felt the ToC wasn't needed, and to protect the ToC, it was split into eight pieces by someone (we don't know who - that's another theory for another day). The fact that in WW, the ToC is still split up into eight pieces makes me believe that OoT/MM Link was somehow killed or murdered during his mission. [b]My theory, completely.[/B]

I'm more accustomed to the Link stayed in Termina & Link left Zelda to be with Malon in the CT or the AT one of Zelda perishing as an old maid theories. But I've come across similar Link died a horrible death coming back from the MM adventure theories, with Zelda marrying a nobleman and Malon marrying Ingo when they both came of age. But I guess in your theory, Link came back to Hyrule and left again. But instead of going with Malon (My preferred theory), he went on another adventure and then died. So how did Link die in your theory??

Gilderpilots quote: He left his innocent beginnings behind and is likely feeling confused about his future.

Confusion for Link is an understatement. Especially as a man/child with strange and awkwarkly erotic manly urges and yearnings that he would have no clue in understanding about at all. So thank goodness Zelda sent Link back to the Child Timeline to mature normally. The very thought of Link staying in the AT would be an endless comedy of a very bizarre and somewhat erotically weird existence. laugh.gif

I still say Link living with Zelda in the CT is nothing more than a spoiled and pampered existence for Link as Zelda coddles him like a baby. I would like to think that Link would tell Zelda to quit handholding him in everything he does to allow him to earn the respect of the nobles somehow.
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Posted: Sep 8 2008, 12:31 PM


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QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 7 2008, 10:29 PM)
I'm more accustomed to the Link stayed in Termina & Link left Zelda to be with Malon in the CT or the AT one of Zelda perishing as an old maid theories. But I've come across similar Link died a horrible death coming back from the MM adventure theories, with Zelda marrying a nobleman and Malon marrying Ingo when they both came of age. But I guess in your theory, Link came back to Hyrule and left again. But instead of going with Malon (My preferred theory), he went on another adventure and then died. So how did Link die in your theory??

If Link had died coming home to Hyrule to Zelda, his story would not have become precious to the Royal Family as the MM prologue stated. And we probably would not have seen the Magic Armor in TP.

I don't know how Link died, and I don't think it's as important as why Link died. Because he left the ToC? Because he wasn't prepared? Was there an ambush? Again, it is my theory that he died or was murdered on his way to a mission somewhere outside of Hyrule many years after the events of OoT and MM.

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Especially as a man/child with strange and awkwarkly erotic manly urges and yearnings that he would have no clue in understanding about at all. So thank goodness Zelda sent Link back to the Child Timeline to mature normally. The very thought of Link staying in the AT would be an endless comedy of a very bizarre and somewhat erotically weird existence.


We have respectfully requested that all sexual innuendo be kept out of conversations, not because it isn't a reality in our lives, but because the discussion of it is too easy to abuse.

Also, that was not gliderpilotgirl's point: her point was that when Link arrived after seven years of being sealed away that Link would be quite disoriented by his completely changed surroundings and by the vacuum that was left after many people hauled butt for a better environment.

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I still say Link living with Zelda in the CT is nothing more than a spoiled and pampered existence for Link as Zelda coddles him like a baby. I would like to think that Link would tell Zelda to quit handholding him in everything he does to allow him to earn the respect of the nobles somehow.


I have seen no evidence in the any of the games of any hand-holding. OoT/MM Link is quite free to make his decisions as a child and as an adult (i.e. Link can choose to say, "No" to Zelda when she asks him questions, Zelda lets him go when he leaves to find Skull Kid/himself).
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MalonsLover
Posted: Sep 8 2008, 03:17 PM


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So in your theory did Link marry Zelda and have kids before he died, or was his relationship with Zelda urequited? Anyway, I like your theory. smile.gif

OOPS huh.gif I wasn't trying to be perverted or anything. I just imagine myself as an 8 year old being awkwardly trapped in a grown up body, and I'm sure I would've been REALLY confused about a lot of things. Links face during the scene in the sky with Zelda told me everything about his confused mental state.laugh.gif

Anyway I tend to agree that Link would probably be a little more mature and assertive in making decisions for himself in the CT instead of being more inclined to let others dictate his decision making like the OOT Link of the AT. Therefore Link would have a good chance of earning everyones respect within the Hyrule Court, and his relationship with Zelda would generally be accepted and respected by everyone.
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Posted: Sep 8 2008, 03:24 PM


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QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 8 2008, 09:17 AM)
So in your theory did Link marry Zelda and have kids before he died, or was his relationship with Zelda urequited? Anyway, I like your theory. smile.gif

I personally believe that Link and Zelda were married, had children, were able to see maybe a few grandchildren. It is also my belief that Link and Zelda grew used to the peace that took place after getting rid of Ganondorf while he was in the Court while Zelda was still a child. It is easy to let guards down when peace reigns for years and years on end, and I believe that Link left the ToC in Hyrule while on a mission because he didn't think he would need it and he reasoned that it would be safer in Hyrule anyway. Link was probably a much older man at the time, and in TP we see the Hero's Shade who is uncannily similar to the Hero of Time.
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Posted: Sep 8 2008, 03:50 PM


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I think the Hero Shade is OOT Link (CT) as well. To me its vague whether the Hero Shade married OOT Zelda, but its possible for sure. I just wonder how Link died and what was he thinking about as he lay there dying with fading final thoughts on his existence.
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QUOTE (Love_of_Zelda @ Sep 8 2008, 03:24 PM)
QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 8 2008, 09:17 AM)
So in your theory did Link marry Zelda and have kids before he died, or was his relationship with Zelda urequited? Anyway, I like your theory. smile.gif

I personally believe that Link and Zelda were married, had children, were able to see maybe a few grandchildren. It is also my belief that Link and Zelda grew used to the peace that took place after getting rid of Ganondorf while he was in the Court while Zelda was still a child. It is easy to let guards down when peace reigns for years and years on end, and I believe that Link left the ToC in Hyrule while on a mission because he didn't think he would need it and he reasoned that it would be safer in Hyrule anyway. Link was probably a much older man at the time, and in TP we see the Hero's Shade who is uncannily similar to the Hero of Time.

Thanks LoZ, for emphasizing my point: I wasn't talking about the Adult Timeline but the Child One. Link was this hero, loved and respected by all and suddenly he's just a little kid again. As nobody would remember that future ( it had never happened ) he's alone with possibly only Zelda taking his word for it. There's another indicator of why she's the right one for him, IMO. She's willing to take his word for truth maybe without even knowing why. Especially since he has all these amazing and unreal tales: imagine him trying to tell the story of MM with falling moons and a parallel universe, etc.

And he DID have to return to Hyrule: there's simply no other way the tale could have been told to the Royal Family otherwise. You can try to say the Happy Mask Salesman knew it, but much of the tale in it's entirety would have been lost. How would he have known how miserable Link was? Or that Link did return to the Lost Woods?

My theory with OoT/MM Link is that he possibly died in battle ( not finding the next hero to pass on his skills ), but not before maturing into a man and likely spending years at Zelda's side as the kingdom's great hero. And as her husband, because of the Magic Armor and a good feeling on my part
In terms of the ToC, it didn't split in the Child Timeline, so as Link died it likely found a new holder, and by blood/fate found it's way eventually years later to TP Link.
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MalonsLover
Posted: Sep 8 2008, 08:20 PM


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GILDERPILOT SAID: My theory with OoT/MM Link is that he possibly died in battle ( not finding the next hero to pass on his skills ), but not before maturing into a man and likely spending years at Zelda's side as the kingdom's great hero. And as her husband, because of the Magic Armor and a good feeling on my part
In terms of the ToC, it didn't split in the Child Timeline, so as Link died it likely found a new holder, and by blood/fate found it's way eventually years later to TP Link.


With WW I believe more on the AT one where Link goes back to CT and Zelda dies as an old maid when the peace of Hyrule was destroyed by the flood. I believe similar to you in that, I would rather believe that Link did return to Hyrule to see Zelda and other friends once again so he can grow up into a great and respectable hero. I do question the armor as I'm more inclined to believe that the magic armor symbolized more to the HERO defending the ROYAL FAMILY. I still think marriage is possible for OOT/MM LinkxZelda but it has nothing to do with the magic armor IMO. Mainly because that would mean the Ruto shippers can make a steak to the claim as Links true love with the Zora armor. Me personally I don't care much for the LinkxRuto pairing.
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QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 8 2008, 08:20 PM)
With WW I believe more on the AT one where Link goes back to CT and Zelda dies as an old maid when the peace of Hyrule was destroyed by the flood. I believe similar to you in that, I would rather believe that Link did return to Hyrule to see Zelda and other friends once again so he can grow up into a great and respectable hero. I do question the armor as I'm more inclined to believe that the magic armor symbolized more to the HERO defending the ROYAL FAMILY. I still think marriage is possible for OOT/MM LinkxZelda but it has nothing to do with the magic armor IMO. Mainly because that would mean the Zora shippers can make a steak to the claim as Links true love with the Zora armor. Me personally I don't care much for the LinkxRuto pairing.

Adult Timeline Zelda didn't die an old maid. We know this because Tetra is said to be her descendant. She had to have had kids in order for that to be so.

The Magic Armor is a near exact duplicate of what Zelda is wearing. That means an equal, not a subservient protector. Since when do non-royalty wear crowns anyways?
As for the Zora Armor, that one can be called a simple reference as King Zora gave Link a Zora tunic in OoT.
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MalonsLover
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Oh yeah thats right. Well I'm glad AT Zelda didn't die an old maid. smile.gif Well its kind of like the way the magic armor is dismissed as only symbolic reference to the hero of time with the TOC. As for the crowns, nobles from all parts of the world were known to fashion themselves with crowns, tiaras and elaborate ornamentations during formal meetings. Its just Kings and Queens always had the most elaborate. Links magic armor and crown seem to suggest more that he was of the warrior nobility and was distinguished by his possesion of the TOC. Links armor did not look King like at all IMO. And another flaw is because the whole OOT Nostalgia scene in TP seem to imply more to the formality of the Hero serving the Hyrule royal family and nothing more. Besides, Zelda does that same pretensious "Bow to the King" courtesy bow when you wear the Hero and Zora tunics. I admit the magic armor looks good for a ceremonial type thing like a wedding but we really don't know for sure. I just think there are more stronger points like close friendship to support a LinkxZelda than magical ceremonial armors. To me thats the Malinker equivilant of using Epona as stone cold evidence that LinkxMalon happened. Me included dry.gif
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QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 8 2008, 09:17 PM)
Oh yeah thats right. Well I'm glad AT Zelda didn't die an old maid. smile.gif Well its kind of like the way the magic armor is dismissed as only symbolic reference to the hero of time with the TOC. As for the crowns, nobles from all parts of the world were known to fashion themselves with crowns, tiaras and elaborate ornamentations during formal meetings. Its just Kings and Queens always had the most elaborate. Links magic armor and crown seem to suggest more that he was of the warrior nobility and was distinguished by his possesion of the TOC. Links armor did not look King like at all IMO. And another flaw is because the whole OOT Nostalgia scene in TP seem to imply more to the formality of the Hero serving the Hyrule royal family and nothing more. Besides, Zelda does that same pretensious "Bow to the King" courtesy bow when you wear the Hero and Zora tunics. I admit the magic armor looks good for a ceremonial type thing like a wedding but we really don't know for sure. I just think there are more stronger points like close friendship to support a LinkxZelda than magical ceremonial armors. To me thats the Malinker equivilant of using Epona as stone cold evidence that LinkxMalon happened. Me included dry.gif

But crowns that were the exact duplicate of the reigning monarch? Not likely. The leaf pattern is the exact same, just the stone is green. ( Courage=Green, Wisdom=Blue ) And Link's has a leaf on top of the stone. ( Slightly more elaborate )

As for his armor, it's golden ( unlike all the knights ) and the cloth is the Royal House's colors: red and gold. That's not something that would be taken lightly. No noble out there would have the guts to wear something like that.

TP is an entirely different game and the relationship between Link and Zelda is totally different. The scene may look the same as the original, but that's as far as the resemblance goes.
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Oh yeah I agree that the armor is more than just a typical Hyrule knight ceremonial armor. It definitely is special made for the Hero of Time without a doubt. Its just the tiara with the green jewel representing the TOC is just that. It seems more to distinguish the Hero of Time rather than imply a marriage to anyone. If the OOT nostalgia cutscene had maybe been changed or altered when Link wears the magic armor, I would probably believe the same as you do. To me the LinkxRuto fans have as much claim as the Zelda shippers do on that issue.

Also when you use the magic armor theory it makes people like me believe that its another "OMG!! Link and Zelda should marry because they both have Triforces" issue. Personally I'd rather believe that the OOT/MM LinkxZelda relationship has more to do with actually falling in love than unlikely forcing themselves to like each other because they both have triforces.

I admit though, that the magic armor would look good on Link in a possible wedding ceremony with Zelda, but I don't think it concretely proves Kingship, but rather more of a reference to the special status of the Hero of Time DEFENDING the Hyrule royal family. Whether Link and Zelda fall in love or not, the magic armor should have nothing to do with it other than it just looks nice as a special ceremonial armor IMO.
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QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Sep 9 2008, 04:20 AM)
Also when you use the magic armor theory it makes people like me believe that its another "OMG!! Link and Zelda should marry because they both have Triforces" issue. Personally I'd rather believe that the OOT/MM LinkxZelda relationship has more to do with actually falling in love than unlikely forcing themselves to like each other because they both have triforces.


Actually, it's more of a "They must have actually got married" theory than they should get married. I mean, you can make the case how nice they look in TP and therefore for those two, but the implications are bigger for the Hero of Time Link: this armor pre-existed TP Link. All the others are linked to the previous hero, logic suggests the same factor is at work for the Magic Armor.

I don't see any indication that if the Hero of Time did marry Zelda that it wouldn't have been for love. IMO, it's pretty clear how he felt about her, and she returned it.
Duty would just be another reason to marry, on top of the love they already had.
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I think the magic armor may or may not reference a strong possibility that LinkxZelda did get married for sure. I'm just saying Link would probably still have that ceremonial armor IF he got married to the other woman. Only in that THEORETICAL marriage, Link would probably wear his standard hero tunic. But yeah...the magic armor would fit perfect in an elaborate wedding ceremony in a OOT/MM LinkxZelda.

But what do you think of this LinkxRuto theory that I have read: To summarize it suggests that Link came back from the MM adventure and left Zelda again when he came of age. But instead of leaving to be with Malon or for another adventure, he goes to Ruto to fulfill his engagement betrothal. Out of the LinkxRuto royal bloodline come Rutela and Ralis and it goes onto more detail on genetic stuff and so forth. Anyway, the focus is on the validity of the Zora armor being ceremonial like the magic armor. And it debunks the OOT Zora Tunic reference because that was in the AT not the CT.

Though I prefer a LinkxZelda over a LinkxRuto pairing, I admit this article and others that I have read on this subject are good theories. But I simply dismiss the Magic and Zora armors as possible suggestions for marriage, but it still doesn't guarantee anything. I just wondered what your thoughts were on this LinkxRuto theory, but I'm sure they're not flattering. giggle.gif I simply just take it for what it is as unbiased as I can and see it as just a decent theory and nothing more.
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