Defending the Princess, Why Zelda?

Link would be shut out when the town was in the most trouble if a war were ever to take place.

Your were doing real good up until this part. Love of Zelda I am so glad you bought up this issue. The fact that the drawbridge shuts at night is another good reason why Link should be with Malon instead of Zelda. And if Link were shut out that would allow him to drive off the enemy instead of being locked in Hyrule town, while the enemy easily destroys Kakariko village and LonLon ranch. Thank you Love of Zelda for supporting my theory.

I also agree with you that my LinkxMalon is based on my own personal desires for sure, but thank you again for bringing up that point to support my LinkxMalon theoretical relationship.

To Gilderpilot: You my lady need to look up FEUDALISM on wikipedia.com and while your at it, look up Charlemagne and William the Conqueror in relation to the ALL CAPS key word. Thanks to these guys, a LinkxMalon is theoretically possible.

Of course Link would have to do some work while living in LonLon ranch. Some in the morning and some in the evening. The day in between will be dedicated to running simple errands for Queen Zelda. He is Link so things like this are easy to him as a vassal to Zelda in maintaining his fief/ranch and being a hero. And its all because Link is so selfless and more than willing to do what he can to be the Hero of Hyrule and also balance the simple farm duties similar to the way Superman or Spiderman handle their simple lifestyles. Besides, Zelda has more than enough moral support with the nobles and knights. Does she really need Link for moral support that much?? I mean c'mon.

But I guess Link giving her a pat on the back with a gentle sigh might help once in awhile for the moral support. But since Zelda is so self reliant, she doesn't need Link to coddle her the way she probably coddles him IMO. But if a LinkxZelda did happen, Link would need Zelda to hug and kiss him on the cheek or forehead once in awhile to get him extra motivated to learn how to behave properly during Hyrule Court meetings. Is this the real life of a HERO?? I hope not.

She's been doing good all along. You are missing a crucial point of an attack strategy: to go for the head rather than the feet. A smart enemy would not be concerned about attacking some strategically unimportant places like some farms and villages. They would be at the castle doors, trying to break them down so they could remove Hyrule's leadership. Link being close to the action to lead Hyrule's defense would be far more effective.

What's your point? I'm familiar with the concept of feudalism, but I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. If it's that of a class system preventing Link and Zelda being together, I would suggest looking up FANTASY.
You actually made a point against your case too: I quote the article on Feudalism:
"The center of the feudal system in medieval Europe was the king, and a medieval king was, above everything else, a warrior."

This supports our point ( in the other topic ) that Hyrule above all needs a warrior King. That's precisely what Link is: a warrior. If the rest of the job appears too much of a stretch, some imagination and his wise wife would fill in the rest.

How much time have you spent reading Spider-man comics? The level of angst for this "realistic hero" is off the scale often because of him trying to balance his ordinary life. In lieu of reading 40 years of comics, watch the second movie. Look how his life crumbles when he plays hero AND tries to go to school/job. What does he do? Quits being a hero, but realizes he can't do it. You ignore my point repeatedly: being a farmer is HARD work. Ingo says it and Cremia is miserable trying to do it herself. Link will not be able to do both.

Zelda has the support of servants. Don't you think she wants more than that? Even Impa ( a mother type ) refers to herself as an attendant. Link is Zelda's escape: her chance to be with someone who she can be herself with. If you want evidence that it's this way, look at how she refers to herself. "Link, it's me, Zelda." No title, just a boy and a girl.

"The center of the feudal system in medieval Europe was the king, and a medieval king was, above everything else, a warrior."

You never cease to amaze me Gilderpilot. Class systems did seperate in historical Medieval courts. An outsider could only become a King if he took the throne by force. Especially in the case of William the Conqueror. He also had numerous mistresses besides his Queen. Link is nothing like a King in true medieval times and thats almost a fact. To me Links very presence in the Hyrule Court in always receiving special attention and praise from Zelda is likely to create tension with the more worthy suitors in Zelda's court.

As for the bad guy strategy in sieging Hyrule Town, if Link is really that strong of a HERO, this could never happen if he were living in LonLon ranch with Malon. It might happen if he is spending a quiet romantic evening with Malon maybe, but generally Link should prevent this theoretical seige from happening with no problem. But I agree that the seige scenario can happen in a LinkxZelda for sure. And yes Link would be effective in keeping the enemy out and saving Zelda once again. But Kakariko village and LonLon ranch would more than likely be destroyed and razed to the ground. But I guess thats OK with the Zelinkers.

And yes, Spiderman is known to have character flaws so what?? Are you saying that Links character is flawed?? NO WAY!! And I think you can agree with me that Link would NEVER quit being a hero in OOT even if he was in a relationship with the Cucco lady. TP Link, maybe, but not OOT Link. Blasphemy on anyone who would think such a thing.

Good thing the Zelda series is not reality. It's fantasy: strange races, magical items, time travelling...it's not bound by the rules of our world. In that, using reality ( the class system ) to veto Link and Zelda will not work. The Legend of Zelda is not too far off the classic fairy tale either: a noble hero, a wise Princess. The only thing it shares with reality is the look of a medieval world.

I'm done talking about Malon here too. It's not her topic, and frankly, I think she gets too much recognition as it is.

I'm not vetoing LinkxZelda. Its just that there are a few disadvantages here and there. All I'm really saying is that DEFENDING THE PRINCESS is possible in a LinkxMalon as well as a LinkxZelda and nothing more. You make a good point in farmwork being hard, but remember, this is Link we are talking about. To compare his physical strength with Ingo's and Cremia's is ridiculous.

How does defending Zelda have anything to do with Malon? This is more about character attacks rather than her needing physical defense.

For instance you've used two points lately that I would like to address.

a) Zelda lives in pampered luxury, full of comfort.

She may have a warm bed over her head and food in her stomach, but she's essentially a slave. Nothing in her life, personal or not is done without thinking of her people. She lacks freedom physically because of needing to be protected as the heir, and lacks freedom mentally in terms of being able to take time for herself.

B ) Zelda being possessive of Link, and him being held against his will.

Not remotely supported by the game. If anything holds him back, it's fate, not her. She is of the "I believe in you" sort of girl. That means she releases him in love and trusts he will do the right thing. If Link is with her, it's because he wishes to be.

OK..the other woman will not be mentioned. All I'm sayng is that its not neccessary for Link to be in a romantic relationship with Zelda to defend her thats all. But in the case if a LinkxZelda were to happen, I agree with your points on Link being Zelda's escape from Hyrule Court drudgery and to be herself or whatever, and IMO that can be done as both a friend and a possible romantic lover. I'm just still unsure how the theoretical more worthy suitors for Zeldas hand in marriage are going to respond to Link in being an outsider getting special praise from Zelda all the time.

Why would their opinions be considered? If they were from Hyrule, they would be lower ranking than Zelda and Link and to say anything could be considered treason, and if they were kings of another country they wouldn't be able to do much about it - the laws in Hyrule would apply to them while they were there.

And why wouldn't Link get special praise? The whole of Hyrule may have forgotten Link and Zelda's fight against Ganondorf, but I guarantee you Link hasn't forgotten Zelda and Zelda hasn't forgotten Link (case in point: the very last scene in OoT - Link returns and Zelda acknowledges him by turning and facing him). When it states in MM that "his story was held dearly to the Royal Family's heart," it means that Link has spoken of his adventures at least to Zelda. This can mean that house servants would overhear, news would spread around, etc. Besides, my theory is that Link lived in Zelda's house for the rest of his life (with the exception of the adventures of MM and the "final?" adventure that WW briefly mentions). Since he was allowed to stay with Zelda, be first in her inner circle, it isn't a stretch to assume that he would be considered first in line to be her husband.

Yes, you make a great point on Zelda having authority on solving that problem for sure. All I'm saying is don't you think that its unfair that maybe a Hyrule noble around Links age may desire to be with Zelda too?? Its clear that none of the Hyrule Nobles/Knights have the advantage of the TOC that Link has. But does that make it fair that Link gets more favor than the suitor who by class/blood is more worthy than Link anyway? But the fact that Link has the TOC, your kind of implying that the other Hyrule nobles with good intentions in providing their knowledge in helping Zelda co-rule are all together discriminated. Is that really fair and is that consistent with Zelda's unselfish nature??

As for the WW reference. The prologue suggested that Link left Hyrule to never return. So what your saying right now is that Link stayed in Termina correct??

All I'm saying is don't you think that its unfair that maybe a Hyrule noble around Links age may desire to be with Zelda too??

I don't believe it's unfair - I just don't think they stand a chance. Gliderpilotgirl and I both agree that Adult Timeline Zelda married a noble from Hyrule or perhaps into another kingdom (doubtful on that because she might have to move to that other kingdom). But Child Timeline? I'm sorry, the other nobles might have good blood in them...or maybe not. Royalty and other nobles have been renowned across the world for their genetic diseases, so for Link (a son of a Hylian Knight) to marry into the Royal Family might actually give their children excellent genetics. But when Link is compared to the nobles as far as saving the Hyrule - the other guys don't stand a fish's chance in shark-infested waters.

But does that make it fair that Link gets more favor than the suitor who by class/blood is more worthy than Link anyway?

I understand your train of thought, however, Link is on the same level as any of those nobles with ancestry. OoT Link is a descendant of a long line of distinguished Hylian Knights as the Nintendo Power comic series stated. That, combined with his nation-unifying-deeds - he is unbeatable as far as suitor for Zelda's hand.

Is that really fair and is that consistent with Zelda's unselfish nature??

I think we can make a strong case in that for Zelda to choose Link first above anyone else that she would be making the most unselfish decision of her life. Not because marriage isn't a daily-sacrificial process from day one (it definitely is, take a married woman's word for it), but because she is marrying someone who has seen every corner and every race to see in Hyrule. Link has been through the fire and has come out on the other end a better person (the adventures of OoT and MM - MM more so - indicate that Link goes through a kind of crucible). Really, IMHO, Zelda couldn't do any better than Link.

As for the WW reference. The prologue suggested that Link left Hyrule to never return. So what your saying right now is that Link stayed in Termina correct??

I was referencing the statement that King Daphnes makes after Zelda is sealed in the Master Sword chamber at the halfway point of the game.

King of Red Lions: Link, do you know the legend of the Hero of Time? Once long
ago, he defeated Ganon and brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule... A piece
of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as
Zelda kept hers. That sacred piece is known as the Triforce of Courage. When
the Hero of Time was called to embark on another journey and left the land of
Hyrule, he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. It is said
that at that time, the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards and
hidden throughout the land. Even I do not know where they rest, but this much
I do know: they lie hidden somewhere in this Great Sea. The Triforce of
Courage is the only key that will once again open the doorway to Hyrule. You
must search for it.

Link's journey in MM was for deep psychological, soul-searching decisions - in other words, it was a journey for himself. The fact that the Daphnes says that he was "called to embark on another journey" makes me believe that he went on a mission in which Link felt the ToC wasn't needed, and to protect the ToC, it was split into eight pieces by someone (we don't know who - that's another theory for another day). The fact that in WW, the ToC is still split up into eight pieces makes me believe that OoT/MM Link was somehow killed or murdered during his mission. My theory, completely.

Zelda's wisdom would only allow her to choose the right man: blood, class and money would be irrelevant. If the competition was unfair, too bad. She's going to choose who's best and how he is the best is not important. If Link wins, it's because he's the right man for the job.

Speaking of fairness, while some nobleman may fuss about how they lost out on Zelda, let me ask you this: has Link's life been fair? He's been called to go on a quest that would scar anyone for life because someone had to do it. He left his innocent beginnings behind and is likely feeling confused about his future. If anyone has earned Zelda, it's him.

Zelda's wisdom would only allow her to choose the right man: blood, class and money would be irrelevant. If the competition was unfair, too bad. She's going to choose who's best and how he is the best is not important. If Link wins, it's because he's the right man for the job.

Speaking of fairness, while some nobleman may fuss about how they lost out on Zelda, let me ask you this: has Link's life been fair? He's been called to go on a quest that would scar anyone for life because someone had to do it. He left his innocent beginnings behind and is likely feeling confused about his future. If anyone has earned Zelda, it's him.

Right on. Link has had a lifetime of difficulty, but so has Zelda. Her father was killed, she was forced to live in the wilderness and working for Ganondorf for seven years (based on manga), she has had to fight many of the same battles as Link. They are well-made for each other because they have had shared experiences of a large degree and can understand where each other's emotions come from.

Agreed. And I'm not sure the life of a princess was all that peachy either. Zelda seemed to be confined to the castle and it appeared to me that she was longing to see the outside world (she is rumored to be a tomboy), and it's not so out there that she would find a kindred spirit in Link, considering all the other stuff they've been through, together and apart.

She definitely wanted to see what was outside, but I sincerely doubt that she wanted to get out in the way that she was forced out. Did she dream of Ganondorf's attack? I think she might have had an inkling when she had the dream that she talked to Link about, but I don't think she saw all the way through it. My theory, of course.

It's not remotely peachy: imagine being born into a role. Having no choice about what you will be when you grow up, no opportunity to make normal friendships, and even having to carefully consider the man you will marry in terms of "is he good for my country?"
I definately agree the lack of freedom would cause her great chagrin, especially when younger. Link's tales would be an escape for her without actually having to break rules.