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gliderpilotgirl - October 1, 2008 05:59 PM (GMT)
After spending enough time in the Link x Zelda sections recently and coming across alot of Malon x Link talk, along with Saria x Link etc, I have a suggestion.

Can there be a section for this, or a specified topic? As it stands in for instance the Link and Zelda wedding thread, we have discussion of a MaLink wedding. Wouldn't it be better suited for another place ?

MalonsLover - October 1, 2008 06:09 PM (GMT)
Sure what the heck. As I was saying:

But yeah...I agree with you that a LinkxZelda would require more of a private formal ceremony than with any other romantic interest since she is the ruler of Hyrule. As for Link and Zelda and their more special bond, it could be that they are more close because they are actually fraternal twin siblings. So of course Links bond of friendship with Zelda would be different than the normal childhood friendship with Malon. Not to mention that Zeldas interraction with Link in the MM cutscene gave off the vibe of the protectively caring twin sibling saddened that her twin brother was already leaving after they had been reunited for just a short time.

But yeah..in going with the theory that Link and Zelda are not blood related, your theory on the private wedding in the Temple of Time is interesting. Whereas in a LinkxMalon wedding, it would be more of a public down home country type wedding and reception at Lon Lon ranch. I see the vibe as in a local hero marrys childhood sweetheart from the dairy theme, and since Link would likely be very popular among the common people/races of Hyrule in a theoretical LinkxMalon, there would be a big public turnout as it would be a festive celebration at the ranch similar to the one in the OOT ending credits.

LinkxZelda=Private wedding

LinkxMalon=Public wedding

gliderpilotgirl - October 1, 2008 06:24 PM (GMT)
Actually that's the post that catalyzed this thread being created.

I can honestly say I'm not enjoying having this in Link and Zelda's thread: shouldn't we be talking about the details of our hero and princess tying the knot, rather than how some other girl is going to marry him? I'm a ZeLinker...I don't want to read about it there. I don't want to read about it period, but that's why a seperate thread is a good idea. The people that want to be there can be.

MalonsLover - October 1, 2008 08:40 PM (GMT)
Nah..its cool. If I did make a seperate thread it would just be me and you slugging it out anyway. I understand how you feel and you understand how I feel and since MM ends the child timeline anyway, me and you are neither right or wrong on our personal feelings on who Link should marry.

All in all, its pretty much LinkxZelda = Zelda being the nurturer/provider for Link vs. LinkxMalon = Link being the nurturer/provider for Malon. Either way, Link being the adaptable selfless hero we know and love can fit in to either role/lifestyle IMO.

I know its late but congrats on your new born child. :)

Toxo - October 2, 2008 11:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 1 2008, 08:24 PM)
Actually that's the post that catalyzed this thread being created.

I can honestly say I'm not enjoying having this in Link and Zelda's thread: shouldn't we be talking about the details of our hero and princess tying the knot, rather than how some other girl is going to marry him? I'm a ZeLinker...I don't want to read about it there. I don't want to read about it period, but that's why a seperate thread is a good idea. The people that want to be there can be.

I agree 100%. In all honesty I'm getting a bit sick of this huge wave of other pairings. This is a Zelink forum for zelikers, not a Malink or Salink etc. forum. Sure, it's interesting to read other shippers' opinions every now and then, but that's why people can make a seperate forum for pairing-discussions or atleast a different topic - if making a forum is too much to ask.

...Seriously, ugh.

Love_of_Zelda - October 2, 2008 02:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 1 2008, 12:24 PM)
Actually that's the post that catalyzed this thread being created.

I can honestly say I'm not enjoying having this in Link and Zelda's thread: shouldn't we be talking about the details of our hero and princess tying the knot, rather than how some other girl is going to marry him? I'm a ZeLinker...I don't want to read about it there. I don't want to read about it period, but that's why a seperate thread is a good idea. The people that want to be there can be.

Hear, hear.

QUOTE
I agree 100%. In all honesty I'm getting a bit sick of this huge wave of other pairings. This is a Zelink forum for zelikers, not a Malink or Salink etc. forum. Sure, it's interesting to read other shippers' opinions every now and then, but that's why people can make a seperate forum for pairing-discussions or atleast a different topic - if making a forum is too much to ask.


Hear, hear again.

There are plenty of other Malinker forums on the Internet which are good if making a thread for Malon/Link doesn't work out, of course.

MalonsLover - October 2, 2008 04:57 PM (GMT)
I agree with you guys but for me its boring when everybody thinks the same way I do. So in other words I like to debate, therefore I can understand better why you guys like Zelink, besides the typical squeeling fangirl who just goes "ZOMG!! Link and Zelda have matching triforces so they have to get married!!"

But as I stated before, I actually like the LinkxZelda pairing because of the subtle sensual eroticism that I have read from some Zelink fanfics, and posts from this forum and others that Link needs to be comforted and coddled like a child by Zelda in order to get turned on and aroused. It makes for one kinky wedding night for sure. :P

And if its ever revealed that OOT Link and Zelda are actually fraternal twin siblings, in one word...WOW!! :yay: :giggle:

gliderpilotgirl - October 2, 2008 05:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Toxo @ Oct 2 2008, 11:53 AM)
I agree 100%. In all honesty I'm getting a bit sick of this huge wave of other pairings. This is a Zelink forum for zelikers, not a Malink or Salink etc. forum. Sure, it's interesting to read other shippers' opinions every now and then, but that's why people can make a seperate forum for pairing-discussions or atleast a different topic - if making a forum is too much to ask.

...Seriously, ugh.

First off, I want to make it quite clear that I respect other people's right to have their opinion and I'm glad they are enjoying that. I'm not advocating against that.

But having to read about what is essentially my favorite character getting her heart broken or passed over ( and why it should happen ) is enough to make me not want to read the topics: there's so many other places I could find that if I wanted to see it.

To Malonslover: In all honesty, your arguments seem more a consistent push for MaLink rather than actually desiring to understand us. It's entirely your perrogative obviously, but you can't honestly expect us all to appreciate it.

Love_of_Zelda - October 2, 2008 06:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Oct 2 2008, 10:57 AM)
I agree with you guys but for me its boring when everybody thinks the same way I do. So in other words I like to debate, therefore I can understand better why you guys like Zelink, besides the typical squeeling fangirl who just goes "ZOMG!! Link and Zelda have matching triforces so they have to get married!!"

But as I stated before, I actually like the LinkxZelda pairing because of the subtle sensual eroticism that I have read from some Zelink fanfics, and posts from this forum and others that Link needs to be comforted and coddled like a child by Zelda in order to get turned on and aroused. It makes for one kinky wedding night for sure. :P

And if its ever revealed that OOT Link and Zelda are actually fraternal twin siblings, in one word...WOW!! :yay: :giggle:

So. You have stated that your theories are based on nothing, just on your misjudgement of in-game evidence and the manga, correct? Tell us where you get the impression that OoT/MM Link and Zelda are brother and sister - don't list fan fiction, I want a link to a video of a particular section of either game that gives you this is impression, or a page from the mangas for either game.

We have said many, many, many times before that we don't mind other opinions - we DO mind how they are phrased. The way that your posts have been have portrayed you as arrogant, egotistical, and rash. I'm certain you are not that way in real life, but your posts give us this impression.

If you want to talk to someone who thinks differently from you, remember this: Don't be rude!

MalonsLover - October 2, 2008 09:45 PM (GMT)
As I mentioned in the DEFENDING THE PRINCESS thread, its an old theory that stresses the explanation of Link's parents and the mystery mom of Zelda being the same woman who died in delivering Link to the Kokiri forest as mentioned in the OOT manga. As I said its just a THEORY. And believe it or not I didn't make it up myself but it seems to explain the more SPECIAL bond of Link and Zelda in a sense that they are theoretically close fraternal twin siblings. (Looks at Love of Zelda's avy and sig.)

But in this THEORY Link actually has a legitimate claim to the throne. But more than likely in this scenario, Link would probably relinquish his claim to the throne to his twin sister Zelda in a humble and selfless gesture of love to be with Malon in Lon Lon ranch, and to be closer and more involved in protecting the land of Hyrule and its people & diverse races. As Gilderpilot has mentioned before, Link and Zelda would make a great team as Zelda with the TOW handling the BRAINS of ruling the kingdom and Link with the TOC handling the BRAWN in protecting the land of Hyrule as well as his fiefdom (Lon Lon ranch) as a Knight/Vassal. :)

Like I said the twin sibling theory is just that, but it actually convieniently explains the overall vagueness involving Link's mystery parents and his unusually close relationship with Zelda. But hey...I'm with you guys in that Link's parents and Zelda's mother should remain a mystery. ;)

Saami - October 3, 2008 01:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Oct 2 2008, 04:45 PM)
As I mentioned in the DEFENDING THE PRINCESS thread, its an old theory that stresses the explanation of Link's parents and the mystery mom of Zelda being the same woman who died in delivering Link to the Kokiri forest as mentioned in the OOT manga. As I said its just a THEORY. And believe it or not I didn't make it up myself but it seems to explain the more SPECIAL bond of Link and Zelda in a sense that they are theoretically close fraternal twin siblings. (Looks at Love of Zelda's avy and sig.)

But in this THEORY Link actually has a legitimate claim to the throne. But more than likely in this scenario, Link would probably relinquish his claim to the throne to his twin sister Zelda in a humble and selfless gesture of love to be with Malon in Lon Lon ranch, and to be closer and more involved in protecting the land of Hyrule and its people & diverse races. As Gilderpilot has mentioned before, Link and Zelda would make a great team as Zelda with the TOW handling the BRAINS of ruling the kingdom and Link with the TOC handling the BRAWN in protecting the land of Hyrule as well as his fiefdom (Lon Lon ranch) as a Knight/Vassal. :)

Like I said the twin sibling theory is just that, but it actually convieniently explains the overall vagueness involving Link's mystery parents and his unusually close relationship with Zelda. But hey...I'm with you guys in that Link's parents and Zelda's mother should remain a mystery. ;)

Umm this isn't the place to debate that.

And in either event, I didn't come here to discuss Link/Malon. If I wanted to exclusively discuss that particular ship, I would've stayed on Diamond in the Rough. Fact is, I DO ship Link/Zelda in Twilight Princess. And so I came here to discuss that ship.

As gliderpilot girl said, I don't have any desire to see my favorite character get passed over or her heart broken, which is why I stepped out of any of the threads that had anything to do with Malon. I didn't come here to exclusively debate Malink's legitimacy or any of that. There are forums for Malinkers and if you're only here to discuss Malink, I think you're on the wrong corner of the intertubes.

MalonsLover - October 3, 2008 02:18 AM (GMT)
Like I said I'm stating theories not facts. They are there whether we like it or not and I don't think I've said anything to deny a LinkxZelda. I'm just discussing what I've read about from other forums to see what others think thats all. As for my LinkxMalon theories, I'm just trying to express my own belief that a LinkxMalon is every bit as possible as a LinkxZelda. I am in no way trying to supercede one over the other. But if my posts put doubt in the Zelinkers thats not my fault.

I too ship LinkxZelda in TP despite lack of in game evidence, but mainly because I don't care much for Illia.

gliderpilotgirl - October 3, 2008 02:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 01:55 AM)
As gliderpilot girl said, I don't have any desire to see my favorite character get passed over or her heart broken, which is why I stepped out of any of the threads that had anything to do with Malon. I didn't come here to exclusively debate Malink's legitimacy or any of that. There are forums for Malinkers and if you're only here to discuss Malink, I think you're on the wrong corner of the intertubes.

In my own view, going onto a forum just to advocate the opposing view is actually disrespectful to the members there. That's why I personally would never post on Diamond in the Rough: my uncompromising view of ZeLink would just serve as a nuisance to the people there who are trying to enjoy their own belief. We all can enjoy the game without taking away from others' pleasure.
( Note: I would consider attacking the Malink ship here as fair game though. )

Saami - October 3, 2008 03:38 AM (GMT)
Not all of us here are ardent ZeLinkers though. So do you really think attacking someone's personal preference is a good idea? I mean I'm not saying don't discuss MaLink or anything. I'm just saying, isn't that just asking to lose members? Because like it or not, those types of discussion tend to focus more on the people who ship something as opposed to the ship itself. I mean not that people do it on purpose. Just that it's easy for it to become something like that. People get offended and leave.

MalonsLover - October 3, 2008 05:05 AM (GMT)
My intention is not to offend anybody but to initiate a debate to get both sides of the issue represented thats all. When I posted something about Zelda's heart getting broken I wasn't trying to hurt anyones feelings over it. I mean these are just video game characters we are talking about, not real people. I for one accept the possibility that Malon may get her heartbroken in that Link may choose Zelda over her. More than likely she would get over it and hook up with Ingo or maybe the potion shop guy and be happy for Link being with Zelda.

As for the twin sibling theory, I've already stated that I don't really care to support it despite it being very LinkxMalon friendly. But you have to admit, Link and Zelda in the sig and avy of Love of Zelda have uncanny physical resemblence to each other that I have just recently noticed. Anyway, I see it as just coincidence that they look like twin siblings in a loving embrace and I prefer Link's parents and Zelda's mystery mom to remain a mystery.

So let me make it clear that I'm cool with a OOT LinkxZelda and the notion that Zelda comforts and nurtures Link in a sort of motherly way that generally makes Link submissively obedient to her is hot in a very good way. :thumbs: Hence Link loyally obeying Zelda's wisdom and guidance in the throne room and the bedroom makes for a wild and kinky romantic relationship that I'm perfectly OK with despite me being an avid Malon shipper. So a LinkxZelda is allright with me. :zelink:

gliderpilotgirl - October 3, 2008 02:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 03:38 AM)
Not all of us here are ardent ZeLinkers though. So do you really think attacking someone's personal preference is a good idea? I mean I'm not saying don't discuss MaLink or anything. I'm just saying, isn't that just asking to lose members? Because like it or not, those types of discussion tend to focus more on the people who ship something as opposed to the ship itself. I mean not that people do it on purpose. Just that it's easy for it to become something like that. People get offended and leave.

But this IS a ZeLink forum. I don't think it's fair or right to expect actual ZeLinkers to muzzle or soften our opinions on a conflicting ship because it offends those shippers. Those shippers have chosen to come here knowing what the majority of us will likely believe. If there's any one place we should be able to say what we really think about MaLink, it should be here. I personally am not attacking any shippers. "Attack opinions, not people". A debater needs to be able to seperate the two.
Saying "Malon is not right for Zelda because..." or even attacking Malon is a far cry from something along the lines of "rabid Zelink/Malink fangirls".



Love_of_Zelda - October 3, 2008 03:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 3 2008, 08:49 AM)
But this IS a ZeLink forum. I don't think it's fair or right to expect actual ZeLinkers to muzzle or soften our opinions on a conflicting ship because it offends those shippers. Those shippers have chosen to come here knowing what the majority of us will likely believe. If there's any one place we should be able to say what we really think about MaLink, it should be here. I personally am not attacking any shippers. "Attack opinions, not people". A debater needs to be able to seperate the two.
Saying "Malon is not right for Zelda because..." or even attacking Malon is a far cry from something along the lines of "rabid Zelink/Malink fangirls".

Agreed, absolutely.

As far as I can tell (from posts and threads), there wasn't an issue with arguing and harsh, attacking opinions until MalonsLover/GS began. Certainly, there was solid debating before, but real evidence was presented behind those opinions and preferences, not just the opinions and preferences themselves with no evidence to back things up, Malinkers and Zelinkers both included.

Saami - October 3, 2008 03:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 3 2008, 09:49 AM)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 03:38 AM)
Not all of us here are ardent ZeLinkers though. So do you really think attacking someone's personal preference is a good idea? I mean I'm not saying don't discuss MaLink or anything. I'm just saying, isn't that just asking to lose members? Because like it or not, those types of discussion tend to focus more on the people who ship something as opposed to the ship itself. I mean not that people do it on purpose. Just that it's easy for it to become something like that. People get offended and leave.

But this IS a ZeLink forum. I don't think it's fair or right to expect actual ZeLinkers to muzzle or soften our opinions on a conflicting ship because it offends those shippers. Those shippers have chosen to come here knowing what the majority of us will likely believe. If there's any one place we should be able to say what we really think about MaLink, it should be here. I personally am not attacking any shippers. "Attack opinions, not people". A debater needs to be able to seperate the two.
Saying "Malon is not right for Zelda because..." or even attacking Malon is a far cry from something along the lines of "rabid Zelink/Malink fangirls".

I never said to soften your opinion. I, personally, don't particularly care if you do or not. But "attacking" a particular ship when you know that not everybody who is a member of your forum ships ZeLink in every single game is just asking for people to get offended. Just saying.

gliderpilotgirl - October 3, 2008 04:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 03:47 PM)
I never said to soften your opinion. I, personally, don't particularly care if you do or not. But "attacking" a particular ship when you know that not everybody who is a member of your forum ships ZeLink in every single game is just asking for people to get offended. Just saying.

Fair enough. But can you give me an alternative place to say what I think? I won't do it in Diamond in the Rough for respect for the ardent Malinkers. I somewhat muzzle myself in Zelda Universe and such generic forums. This place is to talk about ZeLink, and unfortunately that often entails discussing the opposing view not necessarily in a positive light. ( I never said anyone had to be nasty to each other though. )

I take it for granted that people can grant me the respect here to be a Zelinker without compromising. In other words, not trying to convince me otherwise.

MalonsLover - October 3, 2008 05:35 PM (GMT)
I'm in 100% agreement with Saami that attacking a particular ship could offend some people to not want to discuss on these forums. And if that was the way my posts were interpreted, that was not my intention at all. I accept the possibility of a LinkxZelda even if Zelinkers could never accept the possibility of a LinkxMalon, so I'm cool with that. :)

OK..I have a question for Love of Zelda. On your sig, why is Link taller than Zelda? If I remember correctly, Link in both OOT and TP is shorter than Zelda. Also the taller TP Link on the top heading of the website has blond hair when he should have darker hair. Was this accidental or intentional?? Not that it really matters. Just curious thats all.

Saami - October 3, 2008 06:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 3 2008, 11:20 AM)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 03:47 PM)
I never said to soften your opinion. I, personally, don't particularly care if you do or not. But "attacking" a particular ship when you know that not everybody who is a member of your forum ships ZeLink in every single game is just asking for people to get offended. Just saying.

Fair enough. But can you give me an alternative place to say what I think? I won't do it in Diamond in the Rough for respect for the ardent Malinkers. I somewhat muzzle myself in Zelda Universe and such generic forums. This place is to talk about ZeLink, and unfortunately that often entails discussing the opposing view not necessarily in a positive light. ( I never said anyone had to be nasty to each other though. )

I take it for granted that people can grant me the respect here to be a Zelinker without compromising. In other words, not trying to convince me otherwise.

Oh agreed and I think it would be kinda foolish for anyone to go to an opposing ship's forum and expect all talk of their ship to be positive. But openly "attacking" is an entirely different matter.

And as far as I'm concerned, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I presented my side of the argument and we agreed to disagree. Debate over and I went about my merry way.

gliderpilotgirl - October 3, 2008 06:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Saami @ Oct 3 2008, 06:33 PM)
Oh agreed and I think it would be kinda foolish for anyone to go to an opposing ship's forum and expect all talk of their ship to be positive. But openly "attacking" is an entirely different matter.

And as far as I'm concerned, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I presented my side of the argument and we agreed to disagree. Debate over and I went about my merry way.

If a topic is merely to say for instance, "Girl A is stupid" than yes, I can agree. I see the purpose of discussing an alternate love interest as a way to build up our counter-arguments, discuss any doubts or weak spots we can see in our own ship. And of course to compare our preferred ship over another and why we feel that way. In a round about way, we are still talking about our own view, or how it is affected.

MalonsLover - October 4, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
Previously Love of Zelda requested that I get more info on the sibling theory. I browsed around other forums but instead of posting a big wordy essay from a sibling theorist I found this more simple summary.

1) They both have the same colorings (blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin).

2) They're both Hylians (duh!).

3) They're the same age (read that in one of the answer books).

4) The game talks about Link's mother, but never his father. And Zelda's father is mentioned, but never her mother. And if they were both born "before the King of Hyrule unified the land" when that fierce war was going on. . . .

5) They're both ones "of destiny" (Link was "a child of destiny" and Zelda was "the princess of destiny").

6) They were both chosen by the other two Triforce pieces.

7) It said that the Royal Family had "mysterious powers", and Link seems to have powers similar to that (both he and Zelda have prophetic dreams, remember?).

8) The ghosts of the composer brothers tell Link that he reminds them of Princess Zelda.

9) Impa said that only Royal Family members can learn Zelda's Lullaby. (Of course Zelda had a dream that Impa taught Link the song, but what did she mean that only Royal Family members can learn Zelda's Lullaby? Did Impa realize that Link was Zelda's brother, and therefore a member to the Royal Family?)


EDIT on Impa's actual dialogue:
Only Royal Family members
are allowed to learn this song.
Remember, it will help to prove your connection with the Royal Family.


Also the prologue to MM about the story being cherished by the Royal Family could suggest that Link was part of the Royal Family by BLOOD rather than marriage. I also found this bit of interesting info from Zelda's dialogue in OOT.

What is your name?
.....
Link...
Strange...it sounds somehow...
familiar.


This suggests that Zelda had previously overheard Links name being mentioned by the King or other members of the Royal Family in reference to Link being Zelda's long lost sibling that she was not aware of at that particular time. More than likely after the OOT adventure, whether by the TOW or the King himself, that it would be revealed to Zelda that the name that she was previously familiar with was actually the name of her long lost twin sibling. So in essence the last scene in OOT represents the twin siblings with the TWIN triforces were finally reunited after being seperated as infants during the attack on Hyrule Town years before as referenced in the OOT manga. Thoughts or Opinions??

Toxo - October 4, 2008 07:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Oct 4 2008, 03:27 AM)
Previously Love of Zelda requested that I get more info on the sibling theory. I browsed around other forums but instead of posting a big wordy essay from a sibling theorist I found this more simple summary.

That's interesting and all, but I think it belongs to a different topic, since in here we're discussing wether or not should we make a forum section for other shippers or not.

MalonsLover - October 4, 2008 07:56 AM (GMT)
Good idea. Thank you for your suggestion Toxo. :thumbs:

Mandy - October 4, 2008 09:27 PM (GMT)
Such unrest in the Zelink community! ;)

But to chime in here...I really think people just need to chill. What's wrong with Malink discussion? Nothing, honestly. And yet members here complain about seeing such arguments and topics on a Zelink forum. A valid complaint, but the gist of the argument here is that people of other pairings will come here regardless if most members here do not wish to see posts about it.

So what do you do? One solution is like the thread if for: make a section specifically for Malink chatter. But, why? This is a Zelink forum, duh! Creating such a section goes against what this forum is for, right?

Another solution is to not allow members of other pairings post or discuss about it. Not a very good solution if you ask me, and one I doubt the mods and members here approve of. Why? Well as people have been saying here...other opinions are acceptable, even if it doesn't pertain to a Zelink preference.

My stance is this: allow members to discuss Malink, even though this is a Zelink forum, because the members are entitled to do this. They may get shot down for their preferences and they may not even get any support, but that shouldn't stop them from such discussion. Anything that is otherwise to this you might as well say "No Malinkers/any other alt pairing fans allowed". Fans from all sides will come here, regardless if they like Zelink or not...what matters if their conduct and how they voice their opinions in their posts. So don't give them their own sections to chat about Malink...but the fact that members are irritated that Malink conversation happens here is just silly. It's called pairing debate and preferences and you have a choice of reading the threads and posts if you like. Don't like it, don't read it :)

What it really comes down to is having fun, am I right? People are here because they like to chat about Zelink and whatnot, so don't let the fact that people here are on the opposite side of the fence bring you down. And to those who think that debating with members is like trying to force-feed a certain pairing down yer throat, let it go. I think I see a lot of personalities here that are pretty set in their ways for pairings and debate in that sense is a bit futile in that people are always going in circles about it. It's tiring, boring and doesn't amount to anything.

gliderpilotgirl - October 4, 2008 10:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Oct 4 2008, 09:27 PM)
Such unrest in the Zelink community! ;)

But to chime in here...I really think people just need to chill. What's wrong with Malink discussion? Nothing, honestly. And yet members here complain about seeing such arguments and topics on a Zelink forum. A valid complaint, but the gist of the argument here is that people of other pairings will come here regardless if most members here do not wish to see posts about it.

The only thing wrong with it is when people fail to recognize that this forum attracts fans for the purpose of advocating ZELINK, not Malink. Sure some members will appreciate it, but it's at the expense of others who come here for the sole purpose of enjoying ZeLink. Should we have to pack up and leave to avoid what we consider unwelcome advocation of another pairing? Fans of other pairings KNOW that we come here for ZeLink.

Think of it this way...how would some Malinkers react if I went to DiTR and started talking about how awesome Link and Zelda are together? About how much better ( by inference ) that the two of them are?

Mandy - October 4, 2008 10:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl @ Oct 4 2008, 10:51 PM)
The only thing wrong with it is when people fail to recognize that this forum attracts fans for the purpose of advocating ZELINK, not Malink. Sure some members will appreciate it, but it's at the expense of others who come here for the sole purpose of enjoying ZeLink. Should we have to pack up and leave to avoid what we consider unwelcome advocation of another pairing? Fans of other pairings KNOW that we come here for ZeLink.


If that's the problem then tell the members or make a rule that such avocation for other pairings won't be tolerated. It just won't make you look good as a forum but if it bothers everyone so much there's not much you can do besides exclude it or tolerate it. Yes, people come here for the purpose of enjoying Zelink but can you honestly say that other members, who do this so-called advocating, do it to hinder the Zelinkers? To make this forum no longer fun? In most cases other pairing fans come to these places to strike up debate and conversation to see what other fans have to say. It's good debate exercise when you have opponents to argue with (in proper conduct, that is, no mud-slinging cause that's just rude).

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)

Think of it this way...how would some Malinkers react if I went to DiTR and started talking about how awesome Link and Zelda are together? About how much better ( by inference ) that the two of them are?


I would welcome it! Being an admin there I'll be more than happy if you joined and participated in well thought-out discussion. Lord knows DitR could use some life again.

To be frank I am simply trying to be open minded here. Where I admin at DitR we had both Zelinkers and Malinkers around in its heyday. And granted it could be messy at times because people could get emotional and sensitive about some topics, and sometimes that happens in pairing debate despite better judgment. Burt regardless...Zelinkers are welcome to post their ideas, their preferences and opinions on why Zelink is so much better...they'll just be confronted by people who disagree. It happens on forums. Just like it happens here! The only problems I see is when members are being very rude and unkind towards others. Bad behavior is inexcusable in any sort of discussion, be it pairing debate or otherwise.

gliderpilotgirl - October 4, 2008 11:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Oct 4 2008, 10:58 PM)
I would welcome it! Being an admin there I'll be more than happy if you joined and participated in well thought-out discussion. Lord knows DitR could use some life again.

To be frank I am simply trying to be open minded here. Where I admin at DitR we had both Zelinkers and Malinkers around in its heyday. And granted it could be messy at times because people could get emotional and sensitive about some topics, and sometimes that happens in pairing debate despite better judgment. Burt regardless...Zelinkers are welcome to post their ideas, their preferences and opinions on why Zelink is so much better...they'll just be confronted by people who disagree. It happens on forums. Just like it happens here! The only problems I see is when members are being very rude and unkind towards others. Bad behavior is inexcusable in any sort of discussion, be it pairing debate or otherwise.

I wouldn't come there: for two reasons.

1) I can see you are trying to be open-minded, but not all of us are. I'm very set in my belief about Link and Zelda, to the exclusion of all others. Love is like that...a special bond between two that's inherently exclusive. Link loving one means he won't love the other the same way...and if he chooses Malon, it's at the expense of Zelda. I don't accept or support this so my presence at DiTR would not be productive. Any pro-ZeLink remarks are at the expense of Malon...I would consider it disrespectful to drop that in front of her shippers.

2) Love is based on emotion, so therefore the debates will contain it. All of us have had an emotional experience when we played the game..and we will feel emotion in regards to the characters.
In that, I would actually take a certain amount of emotional pain out of the prospect of Link choosing another over Zelda. Video games are supposed to be a source of enjoyment, not angst. A forum that advocates Malon is also indirectly advocating heartbreak for Zelda ( I strongly feel she had feelings for Link ) regardless of rosy alternatives or even kind members.
And I've had my day of debating...I come here to get away from it.

Mandy - October 4, 2008 11:50 PM (GMT)
I guess this where we differ significantly in that, at the end of the day...it's just a game. Just a bunch of pixels. And to hear that you find some level of emotional pain...
:giggle: About Link potentially picking Malon at Zelda's expense! Well...there's not much to argue about over that.

I think you've answered your own questions when it comes to having another section for discussion here for other pairings. You obviously cannot stand it, considering how attached you are to the idea of two fictional characters being together only in a certain way, no ifs ands or buts about it ;)

gliderpilotgirl - October 5, 2008 01:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Oct 4 2008, 11:50 PM)
I guess this where we differ significantly in that, at the end of the day...it's just a game. Just a bunch of pixels. And to hear that you find some level of emotional pain...
:giggle: About Link potentially picking Malon at Zelda's expense! Well...there's not much to argue about over that.

I think you've answered your own questions when it comes to having another section for discussion here for other pairings. You obviously cannot stand it, considering how attached you are to the idea of two fictional characters being together only in a certain way, no ifs ands or buts about it ;)

I know it's just a game. Whatever happens in it doesn't affect anything in our lives. But I still take it seriously: the very best stories draw us in and make us care about the characters. Empathizing with them is something a creator would strive for. ( Like in movies )

If I "couldn't stand the idea" I wouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place. What I'd like is to be able to discuss Link and Zelda's wedding without having to hear about Link and Malon's potential bliss instead. It doesn't belong there.

( Note: you advocate respect yet you are showing me none with your attitude: you are pretty much flat out laughing in my face because I am touched by the emotion in game. Thanks alot. )

Mandy - October 5, 2008 02:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
If I "couldn't stand the idea" I wouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place. What I'd like is to be able to discuss Link and Zelda's wedding without having to hear about Link and Malon's potential bliss instead. It doesn't belong there.


Out of the goodness of your heart? Lol...there are a total of 3 (including me) active Malink people here. What's the point in making a Malink section on a Zelink forum? Like it was said before, people shouldn't come here to discuss Malink yes? So why advocate that any further?

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
( Note: you advocate respect yet you are showing me none with your attitude: you are pretty much flat out laughing in my face because I am touched by the emotion in game. Thanks alot. )


Perhaps it's because you're too attached? You may say it's just a game but your posts say otherwise. That's my impression, and please...cut your attitude too. You're narrow minded enough as it is to say that Malink content here is actively playing into Zelda's heartbreak which isn't real. Get over it plz?

Saphine - October 5, 2008 05:16 AM (GMT)
I'll be joining in on this topic, if you guys don't mind, because I think I can share my take on this situation from a third party perspective.

There is nothing wrong with people having their own opinions. Like with anything, however, when you take a position on one thing, there is an opposing position for that same thing, and it's natural that disagreements should arise when there are different opinions. So, while it's okay to like or dislike what you will, you should also be prepared to accept that others may not agree with you, too.

I can understand Gliderpilotgirl's position as a supporter of a specific pairing (Zelink, to be more exact). People grow certain attachments to what they enjoy, and sometimes it can even become personal. I can even understand feeling threatened by something that (for lack of better words) gets in the way of what you like, and I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling upset when that happens.

But all the same, I also agree with Mandy and Saami.

It's fine to support whatever pairing you choose to, but it would be a good thing to understand (and accept) that there are other pairings out there, whether you like them or not. It's not necessary for you to support these other pairings, but the way you deal with them makes all difference.

Like Saami stated, I think there's an issue with how some people respond to other pairings. I personally don't mind if someone hates something I like if they have their own personal reasons for it, but it's ridiculous if it gets to the point a person starts flaming and bashing a character (or the fandom of a certain shipping). In other words, people need to learn how better to express themselves.

That said -- why should it matter that other pairings exist? This is a Zelda x Link forum, and yes, this place is namely a place for Zelink discussion.

Well, because this forum is still a Legend of Zelda forum, it will eventually draw other people, and thus, people of different shippings. In fact, other shippers may also be interested to join a forum that opposes their own personal choice of pairing for a good discussion... like Mandy had said earlier.

If you don't mind that there are different shippers on your board, making a thread for "Everything Else" (like you had suggested) may help move traffic of anything non-Zelink related there. But that won't stop the other shippers from still joining in on Zelink conversations unless you specify otherwise (that non-zelink discussion is not allowed, or whatever). So yeah, if you can't tolerate it, for best measure, you should clarify things by being technical, even if something should be common sense (like, the fact that this IS a Zelink forum).

One way or another, you need to change something. If you really hate a shipping, or a fandom of that shipping, so much that you need a place to flame and bash them, then it's better to just exclude those other people right from the get-go. That way you can avoid arguments and you can enjoy chatter only with like minded people. It'll probably make you look bad to other fandoms, yes, but if it'll put your mind at ease, then maybe it's something to consider.

I'm not trying to offend you, and if I have, I'm really sorry. D: What I'm trying to say, though, is that it seems to me that you don't like non-zelink related matters on your zelink-forum, and in that case, something needs to change, because in the end, this is a public forum, and anything can happen in a public forum. If you don't like the opposition, maybe you should avoid it completely? That's just a suggestion, though.

I hope what I said made sense. Forgive me if it didn't -- I haven't exactly been active on forums in a very long time :P

MalonsLover - October 5, 2008 06:40 AM (GMT)
GILDERPILOT SAID:
I would actually take a certain amount of emotional pain out of the prospect of Link choosing another over Zelda.

A forum that advocates Malon is also indirectly advocating heartbreak for Zelda


Look at it this way. If it was ever revealed that the twin sibling theory was true, more than likely Zelda would be very happy and supportive that her theoretical twin brother (Link) had found true love with Malon. :P

OK...I'm obviously teasing. Seriously though, I actually feel bad that my THEORIES may contribute to your emotional pain. If it makes you feel any better, I actually like reading your theories supporting LinkxZelda. Provided that they are not blood related of course. ;)

Hylian Princess - October 5, 2008 04:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MalonsLover @ Oct 5 2008, 06:40 AM)
Look at it this way. If it was ever revealed that the twin sibling theory was true, more than likely Zelda would be very happy and supportive that her theoretical twin brother (Link) had found true love with Malon. :P

Or Midna or Illia!

But, or course Zelda will HAVE to cope with the women that he may pick, including herself. But, then they won't be able to be together, will they? Otherwise, their babies will turn... well, bad. They need an heir to the throne, and I don't think Hyrule will have a defected king or queen as their ruler.

Therefore, if your twin sibling theory is correct (no offense, but may god forbid), Zelda could never be with Link, unless they... I think I won't ge into all the scenarios and possibilities for this one...

gliderpilotgirl - October 5, 2008 04:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Oct 5 2008, 02:54 AM)
QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
If I "couldn't stand the idea" I wouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place. What I'd like is to be able to discuss Link and Zelda's wedding without having to hear about Link and Malon's potential bliss instead. It doesn't belong there.


Out of the goodness of your heart? Lol...there are a total of 3 (including me) active Malink people here. What's the point in making a Malink section on a Zelink forum? Like it was said before, people shouldn't come here to discuss Malink yes? So why advocate that any further?

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
( Note: you advocate respect yet you are showing me none with your attitude: you are pretty much flat out laughing in my face because I am touched by the emotion in game. Thanks alot. )


Perhaps it's because you're too attached? You may say it's just a game but your posts say otherwise. That's my impression, and please...cut your attitude too. You're narrow minded enough as it is to say that Malink content here is actively playing into Zelda's heartbreak which isn't real. Get over it plz?

I think we could solve this whole problem with some mutual respect. If people HAD the respect to either make a new topic for something like a Malink wedding as well as not attacking us personally ( both you and Malonslover have now done it ) we wouldn't have a problem. I wouldn't have made this topic!

Attitude? Because I have a strong opinion and I stand by it? I'm not going to feel bad for having feelings about something I enjoy. Or for excluding other opinions as I see fit: it's my perrogative. Making fun of me for it won't change that. Anyways, I'm done with you.

MalonsLover - October 5, 2008 05:13 PM (GMT)
You should enjoy the possibility of the Hero & Princess having a magically enchanted fairy tale romance living in the Castle. I know I enjoy my vision of Link being a Knight/Vassal in which I see Link being alerted at Lon Lon ranch on a problematic danger at a nearby village. He quickly dons his Hero tunic, readies Epona for battle, and then there would be an emotional dramatic moment of a teary eyed Malon wishing for her husbands safe return. Link will stand close to her all silent and brave, comforting his wife like a good husband/provider would and should before he gallantly rides off for battle. Then Link gives Malon a nod of reassurance and quietly tells her that he promises to return to her safely. Then he mounts on Epona nearby and off he goes to heroically and courageously battle the danger. B)

Mandy - October 5, 2008 05:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
gliderpilotgirl]If people HAD the respect to either make a new topic for something like a Malink wedding as well as not attacking us personally ( both you and Malonslover have now done it ) we wouldn't have a problem. I wouldn't have made this topic!


Had it ever occurred to you that perhaps the members who posted that felt like if they did make a topic in that it would be locked? Cause you know, Zelink forum and all that. I mean, considering the attitude here it wouldn't surprise me. Perhaps MalonsLover felt that making a whole topic for that, and with so little Malinkers here, it would've been pointless. So either they shut up about it or partake in the conversation in an already established thread. I'm assuming here but from how I see it makes sense.

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
Attitude? Because I have a strong opinion and I stand by it? I'm not going to feel bad for having feelings about something I enjoy. Or for excluding other opinions as I see fit: it's my perrogative. Making fun of me for it won't change that. Anyways, I'm done with you.


Replace opinion with unhealthy fantasy and bigotry and we got it right :giggle: Sorry, couldn't help myself! Perhaps if you'd stop trying to defend yourself you'd stop looking like some addled fan girl?

gliderpilotgirl - October 5, 2008 06:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Oct 5 2008, 05:43 PM)
Had it ever occurred to you that perhaps the members who posted that felt like if they did make a topic in that it would be locked? Cause you know, Zelink forum and all that. I mean, considering the attitude here it wouldn't surprise me. Perhaps MalonsLover felt that making a whole topic for that, and with so little Malinkers here, it would've been pointless. So either they shut up about it or partake in the conversation in an already established thread. I'm assuming here but from how I see it makes sense.

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
Attitude? Because I have a strong opinion and I stand by it? I'm not going to feel bad for having feelings about something I enjoy. Or for excluding other opinions as I see fit: it's my perrogative. Making fun of me for it won't change that. Anyways, I'm done with you.


Replace opinion with unhealthy fantasy and bigotry and we got it right :giggle: Sorry, couldn't help myself! Perhaps if you'd stop trying to defend yourself you'd stop looking like some addled fan girl?

There's topics about Ilia, Marin, etc. Saami posts Malink fan fiction in that section. I find that a poor excuse to hijack a thread.

Bigotry? Because I won't give Malon a chance? Yeah, um no. And frankly, I don't care if you are calling me a fangirl. You are kind of in the wrong place to be heaping condemnation for that. But enough.

Mandy - October 5, 2008 06:51 PM (GMT)
If it was enough you wouldn't be replying :P Am I just that tempting to talk to! I think so..

QUOTE (gliderpilotgirl)
There's topics about Ilia, Marin, etc. Saami posts Malink fan fiction in that section. I find that a poor excuse to hijack a thread.


Fair nuff. I'm kinda new to the place so I haven't looked at every thread on here yet to see such topics.

And yes, you are bigoted. You know what being bigoted means, yes? Let's go to dictionary.com!

Bigotry –noun, plural -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.


You said so yourself you wouldn't "give Malon a chance" didn't you? I say you fit into this description, even if the word is quite potent. But the facts are facts. You're so into Zelink shipping you can't see otherwise and you refuse to. Fine. But denying that? Yeah, right.




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