In Majora's Mask, I'm on the quest to get back Lulu's stolen eggs (I'm currently trying to get the bottle from the beavers--it's so frustrating). But I am rather intrigued about the relationship between Mikau and Lulu. All we really know about them is that Mikau went to retrieve Lulu's eggs from the Gerudo pirates and ended up dying. On ZeldaWiki, it says on the page of the Indigo-Go's that "it is rumored (and most likely true) that [Mikau] is the father of Lulu's children."

What does everyone else think? Am I the only one that has an inkling that Mikau and Lulu were in a relationship?

I didn't take it as anything else. When you retrieve all the eggs (I think - it's been a couple of months since I played this part of the quest), you will see a short cinematic sequence featuring Lulu and Mikau. And as if it wasn't apparent before, you can talk to some of the other band members inside Zora Hall (wearing Mikau's mask) and see their reactions and what they say to you.

It made up my mind, for certain. Good luck on MM - it took me six months to finish that game (get all the masks, the heart pieces, get everywhere on time, etc). However, it is my opinion that MM majorly trumped OoT.

So, you also think Mikau and Lulu were in a relationship? It would explain a few things. And when I finally find all the eggs, I'll be sure to talk to the band members and make my own conclusions on the matter.

Thanks for saying that--I'm going to need all the luck I can get. Getting the bottle from the beavers is not easy (I'm starting to think that I should just get a bottle from somewhere else, but I'm not sure if that'll work; I'm on the night of the second day, I still have four eggs to find, and I really don't want to have to start the search all over again).

MM is a good game, but I think I prefer OoT, mainly because OoT was the first Zelda game I ever played.

I'm pretty sure about this. I would link you to a YouTube video, but there are other things in that particular cinematic sequence that I don't want to spoil for you. Have fun! Do you know the Song of Reverse Time to help things slow down?

Yes, I know the Song of Reversal Time, and it's very useful, but I do wonder that if I try to look for a bottle elsewhere, I'll end up having to restart the search for Lulu's eggs, which I don't want to do. Getting on a Gerudo boat proved to be quite difficult, I absolutely hate those evil skeletonal fish things, and the eggs aren't exactly easy to find.

And you don't have to worry about spoiling me--I've pretty much spoiled myself about what happens way later in the game. :D

http://www.zeldaelements.net/6bottles.shtml

Does this look like it will help? How many eggs do you have already?

When I played MM last time, I had to go look for bottles before I went for the eggs (found that out the hard way). But once you find enough bottles, I promise everything will go much more quickly. I think you are incredibly brave to try that beaver game - I took one look at the course on a video on YouTube and I said, "Forget it!"

I'll look into that page. It's liable to be helpful. I have three bottles now, so I need at least one more.

I have three eggs so far. I need to find the other four.

I'm flattered to be called brave, and you're right about the beaver game. Racing against the first beaver is bad enough; I kept losing my temper when I tried to beat him.

But anyway, I was surfing on YouTube, and I came across a clip of Link reading Lulu's diary. Here's what it said:

So, what can we gather from these diary entries? We know that Lulu didn't want Mikau to know about her eggs being stolen. How can this hint at Mikau being the father of Lulu's children (as I saw on a Wikipedia article)? Any father would be upset if their child got kidnapped, and if Lulu's warning to Mikau about not doing anything rash is any indication, he probably went ballistic at the news.

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I hear that. The Cave of Ordeals in TP is just as bad. I threw my Wiimote across the room when I got to the last chamber in CoO - I just couldn't believe it. Can I get a witness?!

Well, considering these, I have an inkling that perhaps Mikau and Lulu had been in a relationship, but at the time of this diary entry, perhaps they weren't so close? Maybe they weren't as close, but they were still concerned for their babies? What are your thoughts?

That's an interesting thought, about Mikau and Lulu not being really close at that time. But I'm thinking that maybe Mikau was known for doing things without thinking it through, and maybe Lulu was worried he'd do something rash and get himself killed. Well, as we saw in the game, Mikau pretty much did get himself killed.

Maybe what happened is that they fought, and when the babies were kidnapped, Mikau went in first to try to rescue them and show Lulu he wanted back in the relationship with her? It's very, very sad in any case. :( Seeing those babies hatch without a momma or daddy anywhere near them.

What part of the game are you in now?

Really, because Mikau and Lulu's story is so vague (especially when compared to the story of Kafei and Anju), the possibilities are endless.

And yeah, it is very sad. Dad's dead, and Mom (who has lost her voice--does Lulu ever get her voice back?) has little idea as to where the eggs are or even if they're unharmed. :(

Still with the beavers. <_<

I think it will be okay for me to spoil you: Lulu does get her voice back, the babies hatch, and everything turns okay (except that Dad's dead). One thing that distinguished MM from OoT is that MM was so sad at every single turn! There was the Deku Mask and the Deku Butler's son, there was Anju and Kafei, there was Darmani and the little Goron baby, there was Mikau, Lulu and their babies, Cremia after Romani is taken away, Skull Kid and the giants...the list goes on. I will freely admit to crying at Darmani's story, though.

Oy - the beavers. Keep trying until you absolutely have to stop and go back in time, then maybe fetch bottles?

I agree with you completely. OoT is a classic fairytale; a peaceful land is suddenly conquered by evil, but there is always that little inkling of hope that things will get better.

MM doesn't have that hope that its prequel has. Compared to OoT, MM is nothing more than cold, hard reality. Practically every single character is depressed for some reason or another, whether it's about their missing fiance (Anju), their kidnapped children and dead lover/husband (Lulu), that their business is going down the drain (Cremia), or what-have-you. And unlike Hyrule, Termina is a truly corrupted land destined to fade away.

Very pessimistic.

That's probably what I'll do, but I hope it won't have to come to that.

MM is very realistic. To me, the whole thing was a symbol of what happens to individual people when evil runs amok with no one to stop it. People get hurt, and even after the evil is taken away, some people's hearts will never truly heal (case in point: the Deku Butler's son, Darmani's family) after the damage is done.

You brave, trooping soul. I would have thrown the controller across the room after the third try. Many kudos to you and your diligence. :thumbs:

That makes sense, considering that MM is thought of as the darkest game in the Zelda series. And anyway, Termina is a parallel world of Hyrule--why shouldn't it be all angsty and tragic? Even if it means families/lovers are torn apart (Kafei/Anju, Mikau/Lulu and their children, etc).

*blushes* Thanks. But the last time I tried it (which was a few hours ago), I felt that it was actually easier than all the previous trys...until I got to the second to last ring. I was so close... :(

I will agree with that statement: MM is the darkest game in the series, and TP follows behind at a close second. Reality is just going to be angsty and dark. You will notice that as the player progresses, things just seem to be getting darker and darker as Majora's Mask advances and causes more chaos. Towards the end of the game when all the giants are assembled and it's time to go after Majora's Mask, the darkness and chaos is thrown up a few notches.

Keep me updated on your whereabouts in the game - I love it!

Which is why I think the meadow in the moon (as was discussed in the Children of the Moon thread) has to be an illusion of some kind. Not only is it out of place for an evil moon (or at least a moon being controlled by Majora's Mask) to be carrying around, but it's out of place for the game as a whole.

Okay! :)

And just to get back on topic (or try to), I was watching a YouTube video featuring Zora Hall, and came across a part of a quote by Japas (emphasis mine):

The text I put in bold was what stood out to me. If Japas has a crush on Lulu, then he sounds real casual about it.

Yeah..I rmember that text on Japas as well. But hints in the game obviously point to Mikau and Lulu. Who is MM Ruto only she is not naked. I've even read a theory that Link stayed in Termina to be with Lulu. But the person with this theory was clearly a Ruto shipper so what would you expect.

You told me to keep you updated on my whereabouts in Majora's Mask, so here I am. I was FINALLY able to beat the first beaver, but I wasn't expecting the second beaver to be worse. After screaming myself hoarse after the first four tries (it's a good thing no one else is home), I decided to go back the the first day and get a bottle someplace else. It does mean I have to start the hunt for Lulu's eggs all over again (*grimaces*), but I'm starting to think that the Gerudo hideout isn't so bad after dealing with beavers for the past two weeks.

Have I mentioned how much I hate the beavers and will never return to them? Not to mention I'm starting to hate Zora Link. I don't care how cool he is while swimming, he's worse than Epona when it comes to controlling him (Epona is more awkward than anything else).

Okay, I'm done ranting. I need some chocolate milk, my throat's killing me.

I remember the second beaver gave me a little trouble but I beat him good after a couple of tries.

Word of advice: Don't swim the same way you ride Epona. To swim good with the Zora mask like I do, you have to just HOLD DOWN the A button while maneuvering with the joystick. B button is for to submerge/sink. R button is the electric force field.

If you need other free tips to improve your Zelda playing skills feel free to ask. ;) I got the Fierce Deity Mask, so you know I'm an expert on MM. B)

I agree, Angel Zelda - the controls in MM aren't quite as finely tuned as those in OoT. I noticed that after I kept turning Epona around and around without her going anywhere I needed her to.

I'm so sorry about the beavers, though. That sucks! Like I said, you are more brave that a lot of people I know, including myself. Cave of Ordeals is as far as I go LOL.

I would highly recommend louischou's videos on YouTube for MM if you ever become stuck - they are the only reason I completed the game. :-)

Thanks again about the brave comment. :)

Actually, I'm using helmers10's MM videos as my guide (his videos were the first video walkthrough I ever saw), and they're quite good. I know this will sound weird, but I like his voice; it's so calm and patient, like a mentor.

I agree that riding Epona in MM took a little while for me to adjust. But I think it was more mental as I was a little thrown off by the cute and cuddly Link riding baby Epona. My advice on how to get good at controlling Epona in MM a little better is to practice horse archery in shooting arrows at the skulls hovering around at night outside the town. Also the balloon mini game at the Cremia ranch and the subquest of protecting the ranch from aliens is also a good way in improving on control of Epona IMO.

I myself have thought about doing these You Tube tutor videos as soon as I upgrade this cheap dial up. :angry: Angel Zelda: if your still doing the Gerudo thieves fortress, the only thing you have to worry about is having good stealth and archery skills to get around the patroled areas, and blocking and countering when you engage in the one on one swordfights. ;)

Well, I have the Stone's Mask, which makes the Gerudo Fortess part a whole lot easier than if you don't have it.

But I'm taking a break from the main quest right now. Instead, I'll try to see if I can get a bottle from the Gorons and maybe even upgrade my sword.

If you can upgrade by getting the blacksmith on Snowpeak to use the gold dust to reforge your current sword, then the rest of the game should be relatively easy. But yeah...I recommend the stone mask if you want to breeze through the Gerudo fortress area without a doubt.

Good news! I got the bottle from the Gorons, which was easier to get than the bottle with the beavers. I also upgraded my sword twice, and I now have the Glided (sp?) Sword.

Yeah..the gilded sword will make everything easier for sure. Let me know if you need help. ;) :link:

A little late, but hurrah for playing MM! It's one of my favorites, and yes, fairly dark.

But like you, I've always wondered about the Miku/Lulu connection. I'm assuming that by now you've gotten past the Water Temple area, so I can freely talk about that part? If not, there will be spoilers in what I'm about to say!!

Japas does give hints that Lulu rejected him in favor of Miku, and I think the other members of the band also comment on it. Some of the Zoras also speak of the closeness that they have, enveying that Miku gets to be with Lulu so much. Lulu's diary also hints that she shares a close bond with him too, as does Miku's as well. That and the scene you get when you get Miku's Mask, that scene of the two of them holding hands. . .

I think it's pretty safe to say that Miku and Lulu were in a relationship and that he's the father of her children. I can't imagine anyone else being that person- Lulu is talked about as being a private person, so the fact that she's obviously very close to Miku and trusts him speaks volumes.

I've finally learned the song that lets you get to the Water Temple (I can't remember what it's called at the moment), so you don't have to worry about spoilers, Alantie. :)

And I've been talking with the band members, and like I said earlier in this thread, Japas does hint, if not state outright, that he was rejected by Lulu in favor of Mikau (he does say something like, "If it was just because she's not interested in me, I'd understand..."). Also, when Evan asks you if you want to know Lulu's secret, if you tell him no, he'll say something to the effect of, "Oh, because you and Lulu don't keep any secrets." (Although he could be just being sarcastic.)

And yes, the Lulu fanboy you can give pictographs to does say that he's jealous of Mikau for being able to see Lulu everyday. But that's interesting about Mikau's diary, Alantie; I guess I'll have to read that again.

All this talk is making me want to play MM again!

A bit off topic, but I think WW, not TP comes in second at being the darker Zelda story. Cartoonish graphics aside, the story basically revolves around the destruction of Hyrule, which isn't the most cheery of subjects. I'm fully confident that if WW had been made with TP style graphics, it would have seemed darker than MM.

ANYWAY, back on track, I always figured that the reason Mikau fought so hard (and eventually died) to retrieve Lulu's eggs was because they were his too. Even if female Zora can fertilize eggs without the help of a male, the fact that Mikau was willing to give up his life for the stolen eggs spoke volumes. Why would he do such a thing if he didn't care?

Exactly. And Mikau pretty much begged Link to get back Lulu's eggs for him (the humorous song and dance aside--really, if Mikau was on his deathbed, how would he have the energy to sing and dance?) while he was dying. If that's not an indication that Mikau's relationship with Lulu was more than platonic, then what is?

:lol: I've been replaying OoT and I plan to do MM next. XD

But I agree, the fact that it's Miku who goes after the eggs and not one of the others pretty much states that he has a personal interest in Lulu if not in the eggs themselves. I always figured that the eggs had to be his as well though- it doesn't seem logical that the female Zora would have eggs on their own without any input from the male, and that if a male was needed, Lulu would be with anyone but Miku.

That scene with Lulu and Miku though, them holding hands is the biggest indication in itself; the song of Healing brings peace to the troubled souls regarding the things that mattered most. With Darmani we see all the Gorons cheering for him; he takes care and protects them. With Miku it's Lulu in the forefront and then the rest of the band in the back. If that makes any sense. :lol:

Yes, it does make sense. But I don't seem to remember Mikau and Lulu holding hands. I remember Mikau and Lulu looking at each other, then joining the band. I'll have to look it up on YouTube.

EDIT: Okay, never mind; I saw a clip of when Mikau's soul is healed, and he and Lulu do hold hands.

:lol: Ok, good. I was going to try and search down a screencap for you, but that works too! ^^

You usually don't get physical contact like that in Zelda games unless they're close. XD But that just makes it all the more sad when Link leaves, because then Lulu will lose the last part of Miku that she has. D:

Yeah, that's true. :( Poor Lulu.

I may be a heartless betch, but I was sort of glad that Mikau died. I mean, I would have been right chuffed if he had been brought back to life, but the bittersweet scene in the end, with Zora Link taking Mikau's place in the Indigo-go's, but with us knowing that Mikau would truly be gone once Link left Termina, it was just really beautiful to me.