Ok, now I've got a question or two to throw out there and see what every one else has to say about it.

First of, do you think its actually possible we will ever see a female Link? Is it possible that Ganondorf could rear his ugly head at a time destiny would have to pick a girl to carry out the keeper of the Triforce of Courage's desitiny?

Reguardless of whether it is or not, what do you think a female Link would be like? Would she be any different male Link? Aside from the obvious of course.

And while we're at it, how would a male Zelda fit into all of this as well?

OOhhh we had a similar discussion on Diamond in the Rough. I would personally love to see a female!Link kicking ass. Though I think a male Zelda would defeat the purpose of "a valiant hero saving the princess." I mean that's the whole premise of the LoZ series. And you don't normally have the woman saving the man. Not saying it can't happen. It'd just be unconventional. But then again, so would femme Link.

Yeah, I see what you are saying, it is a bit unconventional. But role reversals can be fun, just look at Super Princess Peach and to a lesser extent, Super Paper Mario.

Of course, there's always the possiblity of female Link having to save female Zelda, but I'm not going to get into that since this is a LinkxZelda forum, people might get the wrong idea about what I'm saying, lol.

Anyways, I'd like to see a female Link just to see how everything would be different, I'm sure there are people out there in Hyrule that would respond to a female Link differently than they would a male Link, for better or for worse. That, and to see what it is exactly Ganondorf would have to do to catch Din, Farore, and Nayru off guard and have to make the next hero a heroine.

Having a female Link would very well make me ship Ganondorf and Link XD

I have a thing about shipping the villain with a hero. I do it all the time in the Final Fantasy fandom. And if Link ever ended up female, it would be no different.

Ganondorf and female Link, I couldn't see that working out for the two of them. Ganondorf trying to get the Triforce of Courage while Link knows it's her destiny to kill him and all, it might get in the way of the relationship. Not to mention male Zelda would be more than ticked off I'm sure. I guess it's possible to change a man with a little bit of love, but I think it'd take a whole lot of loving to sidetrack Ganondorf. And then there's the age difference...a whole lot of that going on there.

Heh, you and I just don't do the same pairings, do we...

Umm I guess not XD

I have a love for crackships. Especially ones involving the villain shagging the hero. I don't know why. Besides I can't help but think that man!Zelda would feel a little emasculated because he failed to save himself. And he might feel a little intimidated by powerful female Link.

O.o .....

I actually cannot picture either Link or Zelda as the opposite gender... It just...doesn't fit. O.o

I personally, however, would love to see a heroine, such as Zelda, take the lead of the main role in the game. She would be so cool to use as a "ninja", jumping off walls and onto enemies to slay them with a brutal attack... Man that would be cool!

ANYWAY... *back on topic* Again, I can't visualize them switching gender roles. It would be weird... To me, anyway.

Well, in all honestly, I like just about and pairing that written or drawn well enough, I just happen to mainly find the canon pairings written well enough.

And sometimes I could agree that a pairing with a villian could work, so long as they aren't unspeakibly evil, like I believe Ganondorf to be. But of course, I guess that's what AU's are for then.

Yeah, male Zelda would be a bit embarssed to have to be rescued. Honestly though, I think female Zelda is just as embarssed when she loses control of her kingdom though, a male Zelda has the whole 'Men are supose to be the ones doing the saving' thing working against him, but female Zelda is the ruler of Hyrule, she loves it like she would her child and losing it to Ganon can't be a good feeling.

And a female Link would intimidate him you think?

Actually, I love the idea of a female Link. By which I mean a brave and determined young woman who fearlessly saves her own land. ( come to think of it, this is pretty much Zelda in most cases, albeit not as hands on )

The idea behind LoZ is a nobody rising up to become a hero right? well, that nobody could be a girl too. I feel the concept still works. As Saami said, it'd be unconventional, but since when is unconventional bad? I think they'd have to tweak the formula, but it would work nicely, IMO.

By tweak I mean throw out some of the traditional plot lines: Link is no longer the dashing hero, the knight in shining armor. Okay, now he's the fearless heroine.
Given what a romantic I am, I can't see a female Link without a male Zelda figure being involved. They have tremendous chemistry in the series as it is, and removing that would hurt it, IMO. They could just alter it. I don't think he'd have to be a captive and weak man though..( though Zelda is NOT weak ) I'm not too familiar with the Fire Emblem series, but I do know Marth is a disinherited Prince...a man who's lost his kingdom. But he still fights though, right? Why not make Zelda in the same mold? A hero/Prince who fights with a maiden at his side. Lady-Link is still the hero, but she fights together with him. I'm sure I don't need to cover the fairy tale potential here either. Overall, I like it.

I think he'd be a little intimidated, if not a little indignant. Though if he is anything like female Zelda, it might not bother him so bad. But I don't think man!Zelda will feel the same as woman!Zelda. For the simple fact that I believe he would want to solve the problem himself. He is the man in the situation. And sometimes men don't like asking for help. Especially from women.

Gliderpilotgirl, I like that idea, I didn't even think of that. That would take away male Zelda's embarassment and really add to a whole new kind of adventure (and quite possibly a co-op Zelda game, which would be freakin sweat!). Not to say the Zelda series can be a little redundant, but a little change up like that would be awesome.

Yeah, that's definately a possibility. It would be interesting to see though I think. While he'd be indignant, he's still the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom and would be smart enought to know that female link is the only thing that can save Hyrule.

OKay. I can see it. It could work out. First, in the story, Zelda could be female, and Link male, but for the purpose of the story he disguises himself. Or, Link is a tom-boy of a girl, and Zelda is a handsome looking guy. But then, Zelda falls sick, and Ganondorf decides its time. Then the whole merry chase starts.

Dejavu ain't it :D

Link taking a page out of Zelda's book and trying a cross gender disguise? Could be interesting. Would Link get to jump around Hyrule to teach Zelda songs and disappear mysteriously too, lol?

I still say it's wrong. It would be really weird... And if the creators wanted to use a herione they should use Zelda, as she is able to fight like a "ninja" when disguised.

You remind me of someone I know from a book. Really hates change. Loosen up a bit and face the future.

Of course he would be! He's a man who's lost his kingdom, forced to watch them suffer..and he feels compelled to fix it himself.
The creators could use this to work a little initial antagonism between him and the heroine that turns into more...like Midna and Link in TP. He's forced to accept the help of a village girl who like himself, was chosen: but she's more than just some ordinary girl.

I guess overall they'd really have to change things...but I truly see potential. I do agree that the gender difference would make a difference though. Female Link may get ostracized for being too masculine by picking up a sword to fight ( All I can think of is how many fans have reacted to Sheik being Zelda...note, this is not specific to anyone on this forum )
They'd also have to do away with the multiple love interests chasing female Link, or at least she showing interest in several: in my experience as a woman, a girl who flirts with several guys is looked down upon, whereas a man wouldn't be.
Her fighting style may also have to change, as I doubt many women would have the upper body strength needed to handle a sword like the Master Sword or more. Instead, they can give her lighter weapons, a bow and such...more appropriate to her.

HSM: I'm actually with Twilight Mistress. While I love the idea of a female Link...a spin-off/game starring Zelda would be amazing, IMO. They've already established her as capable of holding her own, and I believe she could easily carry her own title.
That said, I think it would need to be a better developed one like OoT or WW Zelda: the suggestion I saw on ZU was a game covering Zelda's seven years while Link slept in OoT. It could possibly cover her transformation and training as Sheik, while she eludes Ganondorf. I like the idea quite a bit, and Sheik could use some more screen time!

Hmm, having Zelda and Link pick at each other like Midna does...would definately have some comedic potential, as well as add some interesting insight into both of their characters and personalities. It definately would be cool.

Yeah, a female Link definately would be treated differently than a male Link is, but an ostracized Link is not nessasirly a bad thing, it could always add to her personality by making her feel that she needs to prove herself to others, and maybe even a little bit to herself.

And yeah, I'm going to have to agree with the omition of more than one love interest, double standards can be stupid like that. But ultimately, it doesn't matter since Link and Zelda are destined for each other anyways.

Having female Link master a different weapon other than swords would be cool (I myself am partial to the bo staff because I use one when I do karate.) But I do think even a female Link could pick up the Master Sword and use it proficently, I think it has to do with being the the bearer of the Triforce of Courage. OoT Link was able to use the Kokiri Blade right off the start with no training at all, and WW Link had next to no training to use his sword. WW Link also could use the Master Sword himself, despite being only twelve-ish, so I think that the Master Sword is either really light, or it conforms to its user's needs.

Yeah, a Shiek game would be awesome! Assuming she could do everything that she can do in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and more, she'd make a good charater for a fun adventure game. I could also see her handling a little bit like she was from Assassin's Creed, just a little bit though since she'd have all those knives and all.

I'm not saying that I think that a female Link game would be better than any other Zelda game or a game starring Zelda as the main charater, I'm just curious as to how a female Link would be like, whether it's possible or not. I just wonder what others think her personality, her upbringing, and her adventure would be like.

Here, i got this pic i want to show you:



Ohkay, lets get down to bis. I'm going to use that pic up there as my basis. Okay, well first, the possibilities of a female Link. First, everybody would want to buy it out of sheer curiosity. Second, they know most guys like something to look at some times *looks up and down suggestively* that is rather pretty. Third, females would buy it to prove to guys they are superior (which is rather true) and they'll buy it also to show how its proved females are superior, and lastly females will buy it to make them feel good about themselves.

Now the story possibilities are enormous. Just the usual start, female Link (i shall now refer to her as Link) goes out into the world, mostly to prove her worth to herself. The, she happens to arrive at hyrule caste, where she meets Zelda (as a guy of course), or even Link, who she was named after, is King and Zelda is his queen (or there is no Zelda). Then, King Link is abducted,or poisoned, or somtin, then Link most go find the cure, or go save him from his abductors who are keeping him drugged. Also, there can be a new villain. Someone never before seen. Like a snake-like thing or domtin. Someone who strikes fear into all hearts. Even us. Maybe, Link even dies, and meets all the Links before her. Then the goddesses decide to praise her and she is reborn and kicks ass.

First off, thank you for the picture. That is a really cool depiction of female Link. I really like it.

Yeah, a female Link game would sell like hotcakes, (not that Zelda games in general don't, but still). And with a big lack of female lead roles in games, this would definately draw quite the crowd from both the girls and guys.

Heh heh, you're right about the story possiblities (I think someone needs to make a fanfic of this at the very least). I like your idea for the story as well, that could really go somewhere. Hmm, a new villain too, they could add some suspense if they first think that it is Ganondorf up to his old tricks and later find out it's someone new. You've got some good ideas there, that's for sure.

I love it when people appreciate my ideas. It make me feel special. :D

I was actually planning to write a fic about femme!Link. Maybe I'll look into more, since people seem to be interested in her story.

PLz don't. I want to write it. PLZ. It would mean a lot to me. PLZ

Actually, I think our stories will be very different, considering how my femme!Link's parents will most likely be different from yours. So go ahead and write yours.

Thing is, i'll probably use some of your ideas. I'll try to be the most original i can be, but i can't make any promises.

And read the fanfic i wrote.

Coming up with something original isn't that hard. And I'll even help you out if you want. And if you absolutely can't come up with something, just ask me before you take one of my ideas, okay?

And I've seen it. Haven't had a chance to read it.

can you plz read it. i need criticisms.

Hey, can I call dibs on beta reader?

beta reader?

Someone who reads your story and looks for mistakes. Helps with grammar, sentence structure and general tweaking.

Oops, sorry, wrong forum I posted that in.

What I meant to say is, Saami, I'll read your fanfic if you'd like.

Can you read mine too? PLZ

Also shouldn't we stick to the topic of female link in this topic.

Sure, I'll read both of yours, I'll just need links to them.

And I guess, technecly, we are still sort of talking about female Link, we're just discussing about taking it to a new medium, fanfiction.

My fanfic is in the Fan Fic section of this site. Its not about female link, but that will come in due time.

Also, what if female Link was born with the Gerudus, or she was found as a baby. That could explain fighting poweress.

Heh, I know it's a bit late to comment, BUT... x'''D

I think it be slightly disturbing for Link and Zelda to change genders...It just doesn't fit the Zelda universe, imo.

However (as I'm doing a comic about this with my two friends) I can see Link and Zelda switching their roles. You know...Zelda saving Hyrule while prince Link gets kidnapped or something like that. :lol:

But I must admit it'd be quite interesting to see a female Link roaming about - it's not that difficult with that skirt *ahem* tunic of his. :lol: However...Zelda is too feminine. I just can't see a Zelda with pants and long hair with a crown on her - HIS head. But I guess you could picture Zelda as a male if Sheik would be considered as a man. :P

I don't think it's likely, but I don't think it'd hurt the franchise at all. Who doesn't want to see a sexy little blonde in a short tunic, wielding a sword and thwarting the evil that threatens Hyrule? A female Link could easily be pulled off.

As for a male Zelda? Why not? Where did the idea that princes are feminine come from? In fairytales (which TLoZ undoubtedly is), princes are handsome, dashing, charming men. Who says a male Zelda couldn't be in a similar situation as the female Zeldas are? Remember, in TP, Zelda was feminine pretty much in appearance. She was stoic and regal, so who says a male Zelda wouldn't be the same way? Perhaps he would have to surrender his kingdom just as TP's Zelda did. While Link would work as a female name as well, I'm sure that the "male Zelda" would have a different name.

Why couldn't the female save the male? It doesn't make the male any less masculine, and it doesn't make the female any less feminine. The hero doesn't always have to be a male. Female roles in videogames are becoming more and more heroic.. I mean, take Jill Valentine or Lara Croft- pretty kickass, are they not?

There's no reason a female couldn't be the hero in TLoZ. We have sexy, ass-whooping Gerudo women, so why not a Hylian woman? As long as she is a descendant of one of the many Knights of Hyrule, she could be the next hero. I think it'd be a great idea, but I don't think it's probable.

I've not been through these illustrious forums in forever, but this topic did catch my attention.

It seems that we - in the age that we are in - question gender-switching more than we ever have before. Ever hear of the ballet "Swan Lake?" The professional ballet company in my town did a "gender-reversal" in "Swan Lake:" The swans were all men, and the prince was actually a princess (The outcome was the same though :D) Nevertheless, it was very interesting to see a different take on a very old story.

The Legend of Zelda is actually a very old story itself - princess is kidnapped, hero arises to save princess from evil monster, evil monster dies, princess and hero marry, etc. So, no, I don't think it would be creepy for Link to be "Zelda," and Zelda to be "Link." It would be interesting to see for sure, but I don't think that Nintendo would ever do it. Their culture doesn't seem to be as fascinated with gender-switching as our Western society is.

I actually came across an attempt at writing this concept that someone has done:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4253168/1/

It's raised some questions and definately made me think more about this idea.

I like her Prince: intelligent, strong, and passionate about serving his land. Like Zelda, but without losing his manliness. In a normal Zelda game I never get the the impression Link is particularily smart...he just kills things. I think this is a change for the better.

As for the heroine, I wasn't thinking about the time period before this. For a girl in the medieval ages to throw off the expectations of womanhood ( marriage, children ) to pick up a sword would be most unusual..she'd likely get a lot of trouble about it. Normal Link just leaves his farm behind and such and gets trumpeted as a hero by everyone.

Romance wise, while the author hasn't indicated any preference...again the thoughts are turning. Wouldn't a wise Prince get tired of the simpering female crowd that he would often encounter? Starry eyed girls who dream of fairy tales, gowns and titles etc. I would think a strong female heroine would catch his eye quickly for being so different. The heroine herself I can see being more ambivalent, perhaps initially having a prejudice against noblemen. But I think his bravery would change her mind.

This author has even managed to put in an "alternate love interest" in a manner ( though I am not sure it was intentional ) in a village soldier who has trained the heroine.

So again, I see huge potential in this concept.

You've got a valid point about the prejudices a medieval woman would face if she decided to up and become a sword-swinger. Then again, we're talking medieval Earth, not medieval Hyrule, and the gender roles may be a little more flexible there. Remember, aside form an exception every century, the Gerudo are nothing but a tribe of female sword-swingers!

I think people find the idea of a female Link silly because females are considered the "weaker" gender (eyeroll with me, girls), and a female Link wouldn't be able to do half of the things her male self could. Which is such a load of crap, but gender roles and gender bias' are pretty ingrained in our collective psyche, more's the pity.

Anyone heard of the Amazons from the legends of ancient Greece? Also its documented historical fact that Germanic and Celtic/Irish tribes from Roman times to the early Dark Ages had warrior women fighting side by side with the men. But I think around the time of the crusades, warrior women had completely went out of style or something like that. Anyway I like the concept of the warrior woman in the Zelda world with the Gerudos and the Zelda/Sheikah alter ego in OOT and Ashi from TP.

Off the train track here, but if we wanna have a female Link, thn we need a male Zelda, won't we?

Anyway, I never heard of the Amazon legends of ancient Greece... But I like the female ass-kickers too! :D