I thought we needed a thread to discuss our take on the relationship between Midna and Link. Do you all see it as a romance? Simply friendship? A brother and sister? Master and slave? ;) Lets discuss it here!

Oooh good topic Alantie~!

Personally, I don't see anything between Midna. (in the romantic way) The only thing I do see is companionship between the two. Midna needed help, got Link, and after time, they just seemed to be happy together, like friends! ...sort of XD It's just an odd relationship between them, but nonetheless, I don't think its romantic.

Um. Yeah. XD My brain is kinda fried from school work, so I'll have a better opinion on this later. (Hopefully XD)

Yeah, we needed to discuss this.

I see Link and Midna as good friends, not really as lovers. D:

I'm sick right now, so i don't have a awesome opinion.

If Link and Midna are in a master/slave relationship, Midna's the master XD


But seriously, the relationship between the two of them struck me as being rather... siblingly (watch and amaze as I butcher the English language!).
Right from the get-go, Midna was pestering, insulting, and forcing Link to do what she wanted of him, and that's the modus operandi of every big sister.
And Link didn't have to help her. Despite what most people in the games think of him, he isn't stupid. He probably would have figured out a way to escape from that prison, eventually.
But as Link is the quintessential hero, he couldn't not help Midna. It doesn't matter who asks for his help, because he's always ready to give it.

(To use the wolf!Link analogy:
Zelda/Impa/Midna/whoever: *baby voice* Oh, who's a good hero? Who's a hero?
Wolf!Link: Arf! *wag wag*
Z/I/M/w: Yes you are! Who wants to go save the world?
Wolf!Link: Woof!! *wagwagwagwag*
Z/I/M/w: Yes you do! Now go get'em! Go get [insert game specific villain here]!
Wolf!Link: Bark bark! *runs off, wagging like mad*)

And I do think Midna and Link love each other, like family, because two people can't go and save the world together without developing at least some affection for each other. :rolleyes:
And Link tends to be an orphan in the games, and I always got the feeling that he considered the friends he amassed to be honorary sibling :P

Amaya:

:D Thanks Amaya! I thought it should be discussed, since its a rival pairing to our Zelink.

Lol! Yeah, Link is always willing to give help when asked. He's just not the type of person to stand by and let innocents be hurt.


But I'm agreeing with you guys. I never saw anything really romantic between Link and Midna. They reminded me of a brother and sister the way they got on at times, arguing, and disagreeing, but also going to great lengths to help one another.

To be honest, I think that Midna maybe did harbor some romantic feelings toward Link, but they were clearly onesided. And I wonder if maybe they were a reflection of Zelda's feelings when their spirits were merged for a time. Either way, I believe that Link sees Midna as a dear friend/sister figure. No more, no less. :D

I haven't played Twilight Princess, so I don't think my opinion will be held in high regard. But from what I've gathered about Link and Midna's interaction, it sounds like the Twilight Princess version of Link and Saria in the fact that they are close companions.

Or, you can also say that Link and Midna are like the Twilight Princess version of Link and Navi, because it sounds like a hero/sidekick relationship.

Yeah, Midna is sort of like the Navi of TP, but she's about a billion times less annoying and more useful XD

Yeah, I think you're right. And of course we value your input! ;)

I can agree, it is sort of the typical hero/sidekick relationship. It does remind me a bit of Link and Navi. At times Navi could get down on Link, but she obviously did care. And even better example would be Tael. Midna sort of behaves toward Link the way Tael did at first, but in the end both of them softened up toward our beloved Linky. :link:

I know a lot of people get the whole "Midna loves Link" thing from the end, where she starts to say something, then says something else, then shatters a mirror with a tear. Most of the M/L shippers will say, "Oh, she was going to say she loved him!" but the point is, we won't ever know for certain (unless they decide to make a Midna spin-off game, which would rock).

That's a good point, we don't know what Midna was going to say. For that matter, we really don't know much about Midna's life at all enough to make a decent guess. For all we know, it could have been extremely painful for her to seperate from the first real friends she had ever had in Link and Zelda. Unless Minda had actually uttered "I love you!" it doesn't prove anything.

But even if Midna does love Link, that doesn't mean that he loves her in that way.

Yeah, exactly. While Midna was sassy as all get out, she wasn’t very forthcoming when it came to personal information. Zelda had to guess at who Midna really was, and Link found out through a third party.

Midna cares for Link, I won’t deny that, but as to romantic feelings, well, that’s debatable :P

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Of course it is. ^_^ That is what this thread is for after all.

I'm here to rock the boat a little.

Before I start, I'd like to mention I'm a fervent Zelinker (in case you hadn't noticed).

Now let's be objective. There were a LOT more "close-calls" (which is how I like to refer to as a potentially romantic scene in a Nintendo game, since we're never going to see something blatant) between Midna and Link in TP than there ever were with Zelda in, say, the past five games. It's true that you can argue that their relationship was more friendly and familial, but can't we argue the same about Zelda, then?

Of course, Midna used Link and their relationship was more of a you-help-me-and-I'll-help-you deal up until the Mirror of Twilight at the end of Arbiter's Grounds. From that point on, she softened up. In the meantime, Zelda makes a grand total of three bland appearances in the game, whereas we see a serious evolution in Link's relationship with Midna.

Romantic? I think we can't push away the possibility, as much as it pains me to admit it.

Which isn't to say that Zelink is no longer canon. I just think that, in the TP universe, it would not be implausible for Midna and Link to have had romantic companionship feelings for one another. They'd actually be more likely than the few encounters Link had with Zelda (two of which were while in beast-form, might I remind you).

So, TP MidnaxLink is, in my opinion, a probable possibility.

End boat rocking. Start argument.

(OoT Zelink, however, remains and will always be completely absolute.)

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CM, you boat rocker you! :P I'm actually glad you are rocking it though, it helps make the discussions more interesting!

Alright, objectively, yes, Midna and Link did get to spend more time together in the game than Link and Zelda did. But how you interpret these scenes also depends a lot on how you view the past games. I, for example, believe that everytime Ganon's dark power starts to break free, Link and Zelda are reborn to fight it. Now, that being my opinion, I view the interactions between L and Z much differently than a person who thinks that there's a different L and Z in every game.

My point to this is, though Link and Zelda did not share many scenes with each other, the ones they did were incredibly powerful depending on how you see things. For example, its clear the moment Link first sees Zelda that she affects him strongly, even in his wolf form. Lets not forget either that even Midna notices this. She rolls her eyes dramatically and give that little sigh, like 'Oooh, he likes her!' sor of deal. Also there's that scene where Zelda asks Link to lend her the last of his power, and he holds out his hand to her, which she takes, reflecting again that beautiful scene in OoT.

Now, this being said, :lol: I don't deny that Midna and Link do have some extreme bonding, particularly after Zelda revives Midna. She becomes much more compassionate towards Link, and simply all around nicer. There's no doubt in my mind that they care deeply for each other. It's how far the bond goes that is in question in my mind.

And how much of what Midna feels toward Link is her own emotions and not Zelda's? For a time, their hearts were as one, as the Princess says. They shared each other's thoughts and feelings, so who's to say that Zelda's love for Link isn't reflected in Midna? If any of you have played Dirge of Cerberus, I remind you of how Shelke does something similar when she aquires Lucrecia's memories. It affects her so much that sometimes Shelke can't tell the difference between her feelings and Lucrecia's. It could be a similar case with Midna and Zelda. Inhabiting the same body for a brief period of time, it could be that the romantic feelings were actually Zelda's, not Midna's.

^_^ Something for us all the debate over. Feel free to agree or disagree with me.

You know, Alantie may have a point there. Midna certainly seemed to be more "romantically touchy" after Zelda did her thing (I wouldn't know about the Dirge of Cerberus, though, as I'm such a Nintend-ho that I've never played a PSany game :P ).

BUT! Right after you clear the water dungeon, and are transported back to Lanayru's shrine, Zant's already there and waiting, and after he knocks wolf!Link out and drives that magic spike into his head, he tells Midna that, as one of the Twili, she can't consort with someone from the Light. And "consort," by definition, means to associate, join, or unite, and it also carries spousal connotations (Zant, you see, was the captain of the Insinuation Squad, back in the Twilight).

So, like CM said, there's definitely potential for a Midna/Link relationship with all of the in-game stuff. I think out of all the games, it's the most viable alternative to the Z/L pairing (Tetra, Marin and Sheik don't count, because they're all really Zelda at their core, Saria and Ruto are out because they're Sages and seem to be in another dimension, and pretty much anyone else people pair with Link are paired so out of wish fulfillment or yaoi-ism).

So yeah, there's definitely potential for a romance between Link and Midna, but because they literally come from two, incompatible worlds (which are now closed off from one another), we're left with an omg-tragic-love-story-*slits wrists* where the "lovers" are separated for the rest of their lives :ph43r:

Let's add the base male instinct into this.

Who's hotter? Zelda. :D

But I haven't played TP so I can't say. And as CGM said, Zelink in every other LoZ game will forever be canon.

Thats the easiest question EVAH.

ZELINK WILL BE CANON. OH YES.

Well, being a girl, I can only say that I think Zelda is absolutely gorgeous, but Midna in her true form is really pretty too. :P As for how Link feels about this, well, we know that he reacts strongly to seeing both women- though his shock upon seeing Midna might have been just seeing her as she really was.

Besides, I don't think Link likes Zellie just 'cause she's a pretty face, though I'm sure that's a bonus. :lol:

I did see feelings of a romantic manner passing between Midna and Link..at least at the end. The way he reacted to her beauty, the way he was looking at her in the Mirror Chamber ( the same way he looked at Ilia at the beginning of the game at the spring )
and the look on his face when she shattered the mirror.
Two people hating each other at the beginning, and it turned to affection and then love..it's a classic romantic plot device.
As much as I am a Zelinker, I didn't mind Midna at all...only for the reason she is the dark side to Zelda's light...If Link fell in love with the true Midna...the same things he loved about her Zelda possesses as well.

Going back to OoT: I consider Sheik and Zelda to be one and the same, in that Sheik is nothing more than Zelda in disguise. IMO, all those times that Link tried to approach her, and the emotional tension between them...it was because he was being attracted to Zelda within Sheik, but he couldn't figure out why. But I don't think it burst into full blown love until Zelda regained her form and he realized she had been with him all along.
I think a similar thing may have happened with Midna...when she became the Princess she had been all along, he fell for her then.

But with Midna gone and Ilia left in Ordon, I can totally see Link falling for Zelda. She's just like Midna, but without the character flaws.

I agree with you, but I want to say something too.

In TW when Midna and Link first met they don't like each other.
But when the game continues there is a beginning of friendship between them.
Then when Zant turned Midna into a light creature and he must go to Zelda
(who gives her Triforce to Midna) We see that Midna change.

She's friendly and tells hem her past, and why the Mirror is important, and a part of who she is. On that moment, she and Zelda where one.

I was really amazed when Midna became friendly and she cared about Zelda. (and the world of light)
First I thought that she just was amazed that Zelda did that to her and she felt guilty, and that ‘opened her eyes’ and she was nice to Link, because she needs him (for the Mirror).

Link feels this change too and started to like Midna more and more, when he truly started to like Zelda!

Then in the castle when Link saw Zelda again, he really is shocked, and want to rescue her.
Midna is angry with Gannondorf and she wants to rescue Zelda too.
When Zelda comes ‘back to life’ in her own body and is safe he looked relieved.
Then when she comes to him and talks to him, he looks like he don’t know what to do now.

When Midna got her true form back, Link look rather astonished.
Midna asks him : ‘Am I so beautiful that you’re out of words?’
And Link (I though this) thinks over this and then laughs.
That will say that he is just amazed by her new form.

Then when Midna went home and broke the Mirror, Link looked sad because he lost a good friend. With who he had saved both worlds.

I believe in a Zelda Link relationship. In this game, there are hints but you just must look closely and beware of everything.

This is unrelated to the previous post, but it does involve Midna.

Omg, I love the music when you have to take Midna to see Zelda. Its so sad, yet so beautiful and pretty at the same time. Its just wonderful ^_^


And yes, I agree that Link and Midna are just good friends - they'd have to be after all the time they spent together. I see them almost as a brother-sister relationship, mostly because of her teasing him about the other girls and then when he's stunned by seeing her true form. I don't see any romance between them, just a close friendship.

Then again, I may be slightly biased due to my love of Zelink :P

I will admit that there could have been a potential romance between Link and Midna, but it can't really come to anything, what with them being stuck in different dimensions and all... which sort of reminds me of the relationship between Link and Zelda in OoT :blink:

As to the "who's hotter" question, I'm kinda stuck between the two. I mean, they're both very attractive, for digital fictional characters. Heck, if they were real, and I was a lesbian (and a nymphomaniac), I'd probably want to do them both :rolleyes:

Well, for me, everything has already been said. Midna develops romantic feelings toward Link, and at some point, Link probably does, too.

But isn't Midna/Link a lot like Tetra/Link? At the beginning, both girls were bossy and slightly obnoxious towards Link. They'd tease him, and upset him a few times. But at the end, they grow a soft spot for him and become a lot more kinder. They eventually make an effort to help him out (however, Midna kind of had to...) and express concern for him. In Tetra's case, a lot of people I've seen when talking about TWW took this for love. Maybe it's the same story with Midna/Link. I personally don't think so, it's probably just the fact that since they've spent some time together, they've grown closer. It might not relate much, but just drawing parallels. You could kind of see this with Link/Ilia and Link/Saria, too.
Now that I think about it, Link is always pushed around and being told what to do by girls. Poor guy!!:P