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Dirty Harry - August 9, 2006 10:11 AM (GMT)
Alright, here's a general place where fanfiction writers can discuss ideas for new stories. Somehow I feel we're in need of them...

And here's my idea.

Has everyone played FFX? If you haven't here's a plot in three nutshells.

Tidus is a star of Zanarkand, until one day he is transported to a 1/2 medieval land called Spira where a monstrosity called Sin is killing everything. Sin can only be defeated by a summoner who has completed a pilgrimage, requiring summoners to awaken Aeons, creatures that have the potential to defeat Sin. Tidus meets a girl called Yuna, a summoner, and eventually becomes her guardian, a person who protects her. Both of them have to fight Sin to save Spira, yadah-yadah-yadah...

And now here's my idea. For real. And its in an AU Hyrule.

There are two opposing factions in modern Hyrule: one faction devoted to the Goddesses. They use magic, and hold the stronghold of Hyrule Castle Town. However, the town has been betterd by the use of some modern technologies; mainly civilian technologies. Other races in this faction include the Zoras, and the Kokiri. However, another faction has embraced moving on, and no longer worships the Goddesses, having found their own ways of thinking. They use machines and "modern" technology, including firearms and tanks. Their sides include the Gerudos, who have become master assassins through the ages, the Gorons and normal Hylians.

When the main power sources that both factions use suddenly crash, it's revealed that there is no more power to be consumed, and there's no more fuel for their reactors. Both sides blame each other for the crashes, and the loss of fuel, so they start a war. The side that relies on technology alone because of lack of fuel realises that it cannot win, so it negotiates with the Hyrule caste. In the end, they come to a solution that there is a Temple somewhere in Hyrule that has unlimited potential and energy, and that it would be beneficial for both sides to find it.

The Caste of the Goddesses wishes to find the temple to restore it as a place of worship, and then use it to convert everyone to the religion of the Goddesses, while the Technological faction wish to take the temple to power their machines. Thus, they agree to send out a party consisting of personnel from both sides. Among them include: Link Forrester, HEM Brigade Captain, (Hyrule Enterprises Military), Nabooru Moonstar, HE Secret Service Agent, Darunia Hammerhead, Mining Explorations Manager and Physcist, Ruto Golding, Keeper of Records at the Divinity Library, Saria Greene and Mido Lockleafe, two apprentices of Magick, their teacher, Impa Willowway, and Zelda Harkinian, one of the head spellcasters of the Caste of the Goddesses. Also coming from the HE side-the crazy docotr of Lake Hylia and Link's twin, Oscuro Forrester, also an HEM Brigade Captain.

And then you can make the rest up. And it must be LxZ. MUST BE! :angry:

CrazygurlMadness - August 9, 2006 10:07 PM (GMT)
Having been into FFX of late as well, I completely approve of that idea.

I think it would be essential, as well (and because I'm such a freak for AU stuff), to describe both sides as the characters are introduced. I mean, real-time exposition.

Instead of explaining the political situation as you just did in an introductory chapter, just have the characters interact with their technology or religion in a narrative way. That way, you expose the characters, the politics, and the facts in a dynamic, interesting way.

At least, that's how I'd start it off. Because I love AUs. ^^

I hope you get to it, firefly. :)

Dirty Harry - August 10, 2006 09:45 AM (GMT)
Hey, you can use it! I'm just posting the idea up!

CrazygurlMadness - August 10, 2006 04:58 PM (GMT)
Oh. ^^; Well, I already am working on a new story, "Only in Hyrule". It's a Zelink where Zelda, a waitress in a grungy town, suddenly gets taken to the big city by a publicist (with the bod for sin, if you can guess who he might be ;) ) who has every intention of making her the perfect future queen.

The overall setting is that Hyrule, until then a democracy, has been convinced by the up and rising Royalty Party that a return to a basic monarchial system would be beneficial for the nation. Zelda basically gets caught in the crossfire for various reasons which I will not discuss here because that would give away a part of the plot.

The story follows Zelda during the whole month of training that she undergoes, with almost a chapter per day. More precisely, the story will be 27 chapters long and boast the most extensive cast of Zelda characters I've ever used. It's, predictably, an AU, and the longest fanfic I've ever worked on.

It should be ready to post within two or three months. You're all invited to read it once I release it. ^_^

After that, I'll be too busy playing TP to write anything for a while. :lol:

Dirty Harry - August 11, 2006 09:16 AM (GMT)
I look forward to it...=D

CrazygurlMadness - August 11, 2006 04:50 PM (GMT)
Thanks. ^_^

And now, instead of posting here, which is my way to procrastinate, I'll just head back to finishing chapter 8 of OiH. :rolleyes:

Dirty Harry - August 12, 2006 02:21 PM (GMT)
lol...u do that.

I have a one shot planned! And It's about women! And spectacles! BWAHAHAHAHA!

Zelda is your typical girl, and its documented how one of her friends, Link Forrester, continuosly steals her glasses inside her diary. From the first time he steals them, to the time she slaps him, and then regrets it is (very quickly) documented in her diary.

Now, years later, Zelda Harkinian is an article writer for gossip columns and business magazines. What happens when she has to interview the latest CEO (and you can guess who it is :link: ) And then :zelink:

We are nearly about half/quarter way through.

CrazygurlMadness - August 12, 2006 04:48 PM (GMT)
Cool. Will you put the link on once you post it? I'd like to read it. ^^ Because I love AUs. And Zelink. And Zelink AUs.

Please? :link:

Dirty Harry - August 13, 2006 10:46 AM (GMT)
Sure...once I finish and post it... :( :link:

Alantie - August 18, 2006 05:17 AM (GMT)
Lol, I just had a bizarre idea for a Zelink fanfiction :blink: I wondered if anyone here would tell me if it sounds like a good idea or not. Well, here's what I was thinking in a nutshell: It's a modern day fic. Zelda is in with the preppy, popular, do things by rules, date certain guys kind of group that includes Marin, Ganondorf, Ruto, and random others. Link is a biker, kind of rebelly, but a good, decent guy, in with a group of others like him including Malon, Saria, Mido, and others. Link harbors a secret crush on Zelda, but as her group obviously wouldn't approve of him, he never acts on it until one day when he stops Ganondorf from harrassing Zelda. In payment, he wants her to go on a date with him. She's furious, but agrees, and Link takes her out on several dates. To her shock, Zelda finds herself falling in love with him, but doesn't know what to do knowing that her friends won't approve. Sound corny? Stupid? Already been done? Tell me. ..

CrazygurlMadness - August 18, 2006 02:15 PM (GMT)
I'd say it's not bad, though perhaps a bit predictable. In my opinion, you could add depth to Link's character by making him a true delinquent. The kind who destroys public property by nightfall and everything. He wouldn't harbour a secret crush from the start, but having hated Ganondorf most of his life and seeing an opportunity to get some action, he asks Zelda to date him as payment.

This way, both Link and Zelda could have a character transformation, rather than have Link stay two-dimensional.

Then again, your idea works too. It's up to you.

Dirty Harry - August 18, 2006 03:52 PM (GMT)
Lol. Give him dark hair. Dye it. Make him goth. And use the medium of DL and Link to show the change.

As CGM said predictable. But alright. Needs twists and turns. Like...hmm...I had this one for mine; the unexpected I'm leaving school or cgoing to another college one.

Ganondorf hating thing is a good idea, however, Ganny's construct should be as a rich snob in my opinion; gives a good reason to hate him. God, lost my temper at a rich snob today, come to think of it.

I think you shouldn't just make Link not have a crush, only a physical attraction, and wantign to get Ganondorf back. As it progresses, you can also throw in things like how Link uses Zelda's status to get into people's good books and stuff.

Biker? Hmm...one of those "gangster" dudes is alright. And make him lowride. Have a scene where he runs from the cops, and his pants drop off! :D And maybe make Zellie's dada a cop, to create some tension.

Alantie - August 18, 2006 03:59 PM (GMT)
Oh no, I love your ideas guys!! This was just the basic idea I had for the fic. I only came up with it a couple of hours ago! ^_^; I rather like the idea of Zelda's dad being a cop :lol: And Link dying his hair black makes me laugh!!

I agree DH, I'll have Link start out with just the physical attration thing, and when he helps Zelda out, the date idea is based on that physical attraction.

Thanks for the feed back you guys! You're the best! ^_^

Dirty Harry - August 19, 2006 05:18 AM (GMT)
We are? Check that, CGM! :D

Alantie - August 19, 2006 05:25 AM (GMT)
Of course you are! ^_^ You are good for my creative muses. Do you feel special now? :D

Dirty Harry - August 19, 2006 10:28 AM (GMT)
Indeed. We do.

CrazygurlMadness - August 19, 2006 03:54 PM (GMT)
:D

Alantie - August 19, 2006 05:01 PM (GMT)
:glomp: Good :D

Dirty Harry - August 20, 2006 11:12 AM (GMT)
I think I'm going to need to write a new story for a comp. soon, because my english teacher mentioned me to the English head of department, and they're gonna give me a flyer. First of all things, I need a plot, I have a partial one in mind, because it is related to my second poem (Check the Akatsuki no Kurama posts and look for the SECOND POEM I posted).

I'm gonna repost this post there, and yeah. I need help. Because it's from scratch. Daunting.

CrazygurlMadness - August 20, 2006 03:41 PM (GMT)
Are there any specific instructions at all about this assignment?

Alantie - August 20, 2006 04:52 PM (GMT)
Wow, this sounds exciting DH!! Yes, tell us a bit more about the assignment, what you're supposed to do exactly, any rules and whatever else. We'll be happy to help once we get a bit more info

Dirty Harry - August 22, 2006 09:20 AM (GMT)
I've been bothering the head of English. No, I haven't gotten anything. Yes, I will adapt whatever you say. If I agree, CGM and Alantie. :D :zelda:

AmayaSaria - September 10, 2006 03:55 AM (GMT)
You guys are really coming up with some good ideas....its making me so excited! :yay: Is it alright if I pin this? If not, lemme know and I shall unpin it.

But in the mean time...

*pins the topic* :lol:

CrazygurlMadness - September 10, 2006 04:47 PM (GMT)
Sure, pin it.

Well, it's not certain that we'll always end up writing those stories, but at least it'll be a pool of ideas. Like a hat full of slips of paper.

That's like, once I'm done writing OiH and playing through TP (twice), I'll probably make a story involving Wolf Link as Link's animal companion. Kind of like how I seperate Sheik and Zelda, Wulf and Link can be two different entities.

That can lead to some interesting new fanfiction.

(I'm dying for TP.)

Dirty Harry - September 11, 2006 04:11 PM (GMT)
Lol. I shall die for it. When I can afford a gamecube.

HEY I GOT A BIG IDEA

IT"S GOT BLOOD GUTS LINK KILLING MALON (NOT AS BASH) LINK KILING GANONDORF, LINK KILLING MUAHAHAHAHA!

Ok. Back to business.

Hyrule sponsors military operations for children and their classes, purposely selecting a class at random, and then forcing them to fight each other to the death. The last person standing is the winner. These programs are secret programs that help to find the top killers of tomorrow. Their results are kept secret; any complaints from parents are silenced, any media articles censored.

When the Harkinian Royal Family's daughter's class is chosen to participate, the whole scandal comes undone. The operation proceeds, and their Battle Royale Commences, in which all the students in Zelda Harkinian's class must kill each other, and the last one standing is the winner.

To force them to kill each other, an explosive collar is placed upon their neck. If they stay in a certain place that's a "forbidden zone" for too long, their collar will explode. If there isn't only one person alive after twenty four hours, all collars explode.

Class List includes Zelda Harkinian, Link Forrester, Malon Ranch, Romani Ranch, Onox Kaos, Veran Kaos, Logan James Howlett (Wolverine from Marvel Comics :giggle: ), and the rest you can make up. Whadya think?

CrazygurlMadness - September 11, 2006 10:39 PM (GMT)
Isn't this based on a manga? It sounds familiar...

Dirty Harry - September 12, 2006 09:52 AM (GMT)
Novel.

Search up Blood Royale, or Battle Royale...

CrazygurlMadness - September 12, 2006 02:55 PM (GMT)
Yes, that's it. But they also made an anime/manga series, I think. I thought of downloading it, but it was just too big. ^^

Dirty Harry - September 13, 2006 10:42 AM (GMT)
I know! But it would be sooo interesting! You should write it; you're an AU writer! :D

Alantie - September 13, 2006 03:02 PM (GMT)
It DOES sound interesting, but not the type of thing I'm good at writing ^_^;

I'm in the mood to write a oneshot though, something short and sweet that won't take me too terribly long since I be so busy. Any ideas?

CrazygurlMadness - September 13, 2006 04:22 PM (GMT)
I don't know. I'm focusing on OiH still. I'm still at the end of chapter 18 on 27, so I'll be busy for another while.

And for oneshots I just write whatever comes to mind first. The plot develops later on. Sometimes I get crap, sometimes I get "So Like Link".

Take a chance, you don't know what might happen!

Dirty Harry - September 17, 2006 10:57 AM (GMT)
Why don't you send the two of them on a camp? I just came back from one, and there's a girl I have a crush on there. :thumbs: :whistle: hee... :wub:

Seriously, though, camps are fun things to write, even if they're a bit too cliched. 'Cause if you're in the mood for oneshots, just stick with little things in my opinion.

Dirty Harry - September 23, 2006 04:04 PM (GMT)
I couldn't double post, so I'll need Amaya-chan to move this to the ideas for fiction once someone responds there. Because I need some people to talk with me about this.

I had an idea. A flash of light. A massive explosion.

And with it came one of the worst backlashes that an author can confront.

Pretty much; storyline in nutshell.

Zelda is like, disobedient child of King, who keeps on telling her "please don't go clubbing, it's dangerous" and she being the wild child, decides to go clubbing anyhow.

Then, one night, she starts flirting with a guy, but he gets to drunk, and holding a broken beer bottle to her throat, forcibly has sexual intercourse with her. Or rather, rapes her.

And that guy would be Link. Whoopee la.

I have every intention of making it LxZ. I have every intention of putting Amaya chan in.

I have every intention to start this once I get through my soap opera parodies. Excuse me.

So please. Could I get some help? :D Please?

Merged at your request, DH. But I think it would've been better if you/I just edited your post...oh well. ^_^

~ PH

CrazygurlMadness - September 25, 2006 02:50 AM (GMT)
Wow, DH. Certainly it's a more mature theme, but I can't see why it wouldn't work. Although I'd have trouble picturing Link forcing himself onto anyone. I see him as cocky, at best, but I have trouble picturing him with the profile of a rapist. At least, it wouldn't fit a "romance" theme. Rapists fit the angst style.

That would need ample justification. In a way, I could see them having a pseudo-rape case, in which Zelda would be submissive but not unwilling. Otherwise, I fail to see how it could become a sane and plausible "romantic" story.

Sure, it'd be an interesting twist on the relationship, but I'm curious to hear a bit more detail as to how you intend to pull this one off.

And, um, help? What kind of help? You mean advice, or actual writing help?

Dirty Harry - September 25, 2006 09:53 AM (GMT)
I needed a bit of idea after that.

I didn't have too much trouble with it; it dealt with a great die issue about girls dolling up and looking like sluts. And I'm sorry if I offend people. But if you see a girl, and you think she's around 16, and she's actually twelve, what do you expect?

Pretty much, Zelda starts flirting. Link gets wrong message. He gets drunk. And the rest of it goes awry.

I intended to bridge the gap between victim and perpertrator using Saria as Link's sister. And then it would come down to an issue of what happened between them and how he has violated her.

It's interesting, but unrealistic? I dunno...that's why I need input...and I wanted to put in remorse into it. Like, especially on something about how guys might sexually abuse their wives, and afterwards regret it and everything? Yeah. A bit like that. Just a bit mroe overblown.

PH, sorry I didn't post it here, just if I edited it it wouldn't have caught CGM's attention. I needed a fresh topic. Like Only in Hyrule. :D

Alantie - September 25, 2006 03:19 PM (GMT)
Oh Goddesses, what a heavy sort of plot line :(

Well, lets see what I can do to help. Here's my train of thought for the plotline : Zelda doesn't really want to go clubbing, but her friends make her, doll her up in slutty outfit, then they sort of abandon her at the club. She gets really drunk, runs into Link who's also really drunk and it leads to the whole rape thing. *ish sad* Zelda when she comes to herself is horrified/disguisted with herself and wants to die, but her friend Malon makes her go into a group counsling thing where Zelda meets Saria. Maybe Saria has problems with an abusive boyfriend or something. She and Zelda meet there, but Zelda doesn't tell Saria the name of the guy who attacked her. At the same time, Link is horribly guilty/wants to die, and Saria forces him to come to the group therapy with her, where to his utter horrer, Zelda is. And things go from there. Any help? Lots of angst. .. lots and lots of angst

CrazygurlMadness - September 25, 2006 07:03 PM (GMT)
I don't really know what to think. :huh: I'm still not convinced. This sort of mature subject needs a lot of psychological input and for every movement to feel natural, it would have to seem as though the outcome was inevitable.

If the characters act a certain way, their actions have to be justified and not easily detracted. Their choices should seem like they were the only possible option at the time, and readers shouldn't be able to go, "Why didn't s/he just do...?" Otherwise, the story seems weak and the characters look stupid or psychopathic.

I know from experience. Nighttime Activities didn't work for exactly that reason (I blame peer pressure :o ).

It seems to me that a romance coming from a situation like that one is implausible at best. Link would have to be very charming and apologetic indeed for Zelda to actually fall in love with the guy who, on first impression, forced himself onto her.

Plus, if you want the readers to enjoy the end couple, there must be a strand of humanity in both characters throughout the WHOLE story, including the rape scene. Otherwise, people will just think, "Hey, that son of a b*tch!" or even "What a stupid girl!" and start disliking either or both characters. It won't matter that they're back to their good and caring selves the next day (which seems implausible again), the readers won't be hooked anymore.

In all forms of published writing, the idea is for readers to like and accept the characters without failing, because if they falter in their reading experience, you lost them for the rest of the story. At least, that's my view of it. I'm not saying this fic is impossible to write, nor am I insinuating that it wouldn't be good. Far from it. The reading experience of it should and probably would be extremely interesting.

My point is, it would require a lot of thought and planning, which you'd have to be willing to put in. If you are, go with my blessing! :thumbs:

Dirty Harry - September 26, 2006 12:02 PM (GMT)
Point One: If Link runs away, half in a fit of shame, and the other half really scared, does that make him a bad guy?

I was thinking that he was holding a broken bottle to her throat (must get some reason) and then he pushes her against the wall, and does his bit of dirty work. Pretty much, in that position, I'm pretty sure that she can't do anything (though I am slightly loth to try it) and then afterwards, when he comes to his senses, he sees her crying, half naked, on the floor (probably of some disused alleyway) and he gets scared, thinking Oh my God, what have I done (or Oh my Goddesses), and runs away.

I need input on whether that's plausible.

I had this "bridging the gap" scene between Link and Zelda where they're doing that clapping hands game that girls play. Pretty much, Saria and Zelda had been doing it earlier, and Link was the one that had originally taught it to Saria. That would play out in a totally different manner.

Pretty much, I have to disagree with the reluctant thing, to explain why she might even want to know Link better after what he's done to her. I want to use Saria to give a good side to Link, so Zelda will deal with the person Link was (from what Saria has told her) the person she remembers in her nightmares, and the person she meets when she's forced to see him.

And I will force her. God I'm cruel.

Alantie - September 26, 2006 03:22 PM (GMT)
Graaaahhhh. . .. :( To be honest? I don't think Link would ever rape someone. And normally, yes, people who are raped usually know the rapist. Blehhhh. . . :( How about they have sex while their drunk instead of Link raping her?

CrazygurlMadness - September 26, 2006 04:25 PM (GMT)
If Saria were to be the reflection of Link's positive side, don't you think it's going to generally pan out like:

Zelda: I got raped by him. I feel so dirty. He's very hot, though.
Saria: I know he raped you. But he feels very sorry about it. Why don't you give him a chance to show you how romantic and caring he is?
Zelda: But he raped me, even though he's so cute.
Saria: Yes, but he likes pina coladas and getting caught in the rain.
Zelda: Oh, fine, I'll give him a chance, then.

Okay, that's a dramatization, but the overall feeling would be like that, no?

I know you're tired of me being critical by now, but I still think it's implausible that Link would do something so incredibly stupid. Rapists, of any kind, are mentally disturbed. Even those who feel bad afterwards. It's like someone who takes drugs and knows it's bad for them: just because they know it might kill them doesn't mean they're gonna stop. I cannot seem to picture Link with that sort of mental disorder.

Besides, why would he suddenly just hold a broken bottle to her throat? In an alleyway? (What was she doing there in the first place?) Drunkeness does not imply stupidity. It simply changes a person's reaction time and cancels their inhibitions. If alcohol were to be what caused Link to act like that, he'd have to be a closet rapist, which clashes with the idea that he could become a sensitive sort of guy.

If the story holds a powerful scene such as a rape, there would have to be an even more powerful scene to right the wrongs (see Tolkien's catastrophe vs. eucatastrophe). And I don't think clapping games would solve that, no offence. I know that if a guy raped me, he'd have to save a lot of people's lives for me to consider speaking to him again. And I'm not saying this because I'm a stubborn person. It's just natural. Why trust someone who did nothing to make you trust them?

Now, if Link and Zelda knew each other from the start and Link, in a drunken stupor, acts on his love for her to initiate something for which she wasn't completely ready, it would make more sense. It would keep the idea that he does care, and it would make it seem less drastic than if he held a broken bottle to her throat in an alleyway.

Otherwise, if Zelda is supposed to be anything near smart, she'll be running as fast as her legs can carry her the minute Link steps into the scene.

I'm just saying that it's difficult to write a love story between a rapist and his victim. It most likely never happened before, because of the sheer improbability of it. That's why I'm suggesting to tone the rape thing down. We're talking about an extremely traumatic event, here. I'm not against violence in a literary context, but if you truly intend to make something so tragic into a feel-good love story, you're going to have to reconsider the initiator.

Even if Saria were the best mediator in the world, the resolution of problems will have to come from Link and Zelda themselves. If they don't have a basis for this eventual change, it'll come out of nowhere and ruin the plot.




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