Peace and protectorate, Play CN again

Situation

The recent NoV crisis has created a situation which could allow LSF to find peace and prosperity again.

There is indeed a possibility that NoV and allies are attacked and NoV is disbanded. While this is still possible, it seems that the crisis is wearing out without a military conflict. A much larger conflict is possible to take place on Bob and NoV could be left alone. And there are two more problems with this option (just waiting for NoV to be disbanded). First, it is not your only aggressor. Others will continue attacking you. Second, NoV and allies are not your only enemy. You would be getting out of this conflict very vulnerable to all possible threats. SE for instance could demand that LSF members who spied on it should be ZIed.

The Rigas and El Pansio proposition

1) Peace now: Nov and allies are now very isolated on the diplomatic stage. Furthermore, NATO happens to have very good relations with Nueva Vida. We take advantage of the diplomatic situation and NATO's good relations, to work out a peace for LSF, signed by all it's aggressors.

2) Protection: NATO offers you a protectorate until you feel that you have grown enough to stand on your own feet. We can then change it to an MDP as we always do for protectorates.

Benefits :

First :You actually get to quit the losers' side. You get to be, even in an indirect manner, related to the Orders. Actually, as the situation is now, you reverse the diplomatic situation plaging LSF's existence from it's birth : instead of having to face nazis backed by the Orders, now you are backed by the Orders and you close the door to the Nazis for good. This is check mate for NoV. They are over if you do this now.

second: You get all the advise and aid NATO can offer you. Profit from an alliance which is highly respected and successful. Have all your friends back to help you rebuild and redeem LSF.

Requirements

These are the standard requirements for all NATO protectorates, adjusted to the LSF case.

1) Get Aqua
2) Have more than 20 members
3) Accept a "revolutionary council" composed of NATO members, for as long as you remain a protectorate. Namelly, me, Delski and Elephant. This council will have admin powers, in order to do it's job, but will respect LSF traditions and the DC's expressed will. It's purpose will be to give you guidence until you are back on your feet. If you distrust or dislike any of the above people (me for instance; i see somebody had too much time and decided to spend it in changing my description), just propose a replacement and we can see to it. Personally, i couldn't care less. It's for you i'm working.

The above are just the general outlines and it's not something that has already been approved by NATO governement. Pansy and me bellieve that we can do it and while i discuss it with you, he is trying to get NATO's accord. And yes, Pansy can do that, given that our chief diplomat has already expressed his will to get peace for you, after a small discussion on LSF-history and the NoV situation, which i had with him.

What i want from you, is to discuss it and put it up for vote. If you have questions or particular things you would like to see different, discuss it with me and El Pansio here, so that we see what we can do.

I hope that works for you

Also, what's up? I've been speaking a lot with Cheezy and Pala, but not the rest of you

Kewl, I'm putting it up for discussion now.

P.S: Nice to hear from you again Rigas.

Always nice to see you Colt

Could you explain in greater detail the "revolutionary council"? what powers would it have, what it would be doing most of the time, etc.

If I understand correctly how it works: You will take us as a protectorate (with what follows with that) and say to NoV, NV and Fear (GDA) that they should make peace with us or you will attack them?

I'm defently positiv towards this.

I wouldn't like to pay reps either, or change colour, or adopt a "revolutionary council"...

...but this is obviously a very well thought out plan, and so kudos goes to the two of you

EDIT: ALSO!!! We're finally beginning to discuss the charter. I've proposed one...written up, very long, going through discussion currently.

It's an IC term for what is usally called a viceroy. A NATO viceroy simply denoobs the alliance. We thought that changing the name and making it a Tri would be better for LSF. The RC won't have any powers. A viceroy simply denoobs the alliance. We will teach you how to build lsf's tech consortium (i'm very proud for building this way of organising tech deals), build you a bank, fix your trades, reform your military as needed etc. We will also be monitoring you, so that NATO can cancel the protectorate if we judge that you have lost your minds or something . Ofcourse you keep the right to cancel the protectorate from your side whenever you wish so.

Anyway, when we convince Anu about it, we will present you a text too

That's what it is, but without a threat of war. We do it simultaneously. Peace and protectorate anounced together.

Also, missed you Peder

ID be okl with a revolutionary gov aslong as LSF still held an equal amount of power within the LSFs decisions.

I would not pay reps

Yes indeed, it was not easy reaching this point (2 months of hard work) and, as i said, it's not assured yet.

Who said you'll pay reps?

Sorry, colour is obligatory for all NATO protectorates. And it will be best for LSF anyway. More trades in Aqua. But, Pala, we can do an exception for you i guess

Can't wait to see the new charter

DC still runs the show. No reps. Roger that.

Heh, paying reps after all that would be too much, agreed. But it's a detail if you want my opinion, that only diplomats can settle. It's really not something we have to discuss now. I can tell you that we won't put reps on the table and that we will try our best to avoid them if somebody demands them.

im all in then

I'm all for it, as you seem to have chosen a good council for us. I really wouldn't mind paying reps to NV (NoV's asshatery has made me unwilling to give them shit, now) but I think I'm almost alone in that position.

You too. You shouldn't have left.

The only "problem" I have with the treaty is the move to Aqua since we'd have to leave behind some color-related friends. I'd still do it, if necessary though.

How likely is this to pass on your side?

You too. You shouldn't have left.

The only "problem" I have with the treaty is the move to Aqua since we'd have to leave behind some color-related friends. I'd still do it, if necessary though.

How likely is this to pass on your side?

Very likelly. El P was elected gov today. Anu seems to be favourable, Fred is eating Nazis for breakfast, buff is a pal. It's very likely to be accepted. We'll just have to work on specifics and ofcourse get Nov and allies to sign the damn peace.

Ofcourse, we can't really be sure that it is accepted before it is accepted

About colours, yes it is necessary. I guess NATO deserves a good team ally for doing this effort, don't you think?

Hey, there Friends

Yes today I have been announced as Gubmint... my plans of world domination are coming to fruition lol j/k

I'm sorry about the colour issue, but if The Pink Pansy had to change to Aqua, im sure you guys can too

This is just a proposal, but I do have intents to work hard on getting this

Hello all of you...for those that don't remember me...before Pansy joined NATO I was the dip here and made I think 4-5 posts...but have come to know you through discussions with Pansy. I am now the VP with NATO and would support this plan as written if we can achieve all that is written above.

Color is a sticking point, as previously stated, and I would have to say the Revolutionary Council picked above is a good one. They would have to have Admin powers on the board and as previously stated, would report directly to our diplomatic team on developments within your alliance during your protectorate status, assist you in rebuilding and advise on NATO's postion on foreign affairs issues.

My support of course to LSF at this point is based highly on Pansy's request and urging...I would hope that we can work through the issues and get LSF back on track and a player in the world of bob....

Good job to Pansy and Rigas on the above...I hope to see more on it in the future.

I'm open to this idea.

Passed from our side. We were discussing it a second ago

Now we need your aproval

We are discussing with NV as i'm writing these lines

Rigas will write up the treaty, then I will place it in our council for passing

If you guys can do the same, we she get you guys on the road to Peace and prosperity

El P, if you see sth that really needs changing, let me know so that i edit . English native speakers, feel free to run a grammar check

only addition I can se is the need to safe guard NATO and the LSF by voting on the same Senator

Added in article four

Its good to have a serious decent debate on policy in the LSF once again. We haven't had one like this for a while I think, but yer, good debate so far. It'll be a while before we have one formulated.