Spoilers week of Nov 16

11/16: Charlie says his final goodbye to his son, while Jessica tries to comfort a distraught Natalie.

11/17: Bo and Nora stop themselves from making love by remembering why their marriage collapsed.
[Is this supposed to be a noble action? They're already freely kissing and holding hands (with Clint's ring still on Nora's finger - will she remember to take it off before almost jumping into bed with Bo?), and she's given her heart back to Bo, so they're already cheating on Clint. This has turned from "bringing Matthew to London to save him from himself" to "Nora having run away with her husband's brother". If their feelings are so strong that they almost have sex while she's still married to his brother (and they haven't even told him yet), then Nora deluding herself about Bo all this time is really stupid. I guess this is an attempt to keep them sympathetic and "honorable" but this just pushes me further in the opposite direction.]

11/18: John finds an angry Natalie at his doorstep; Blair and Todd share an intimate moment.

OLTL Alert: WEEK OF NOVEMBER 16, 2009

* Bo and Nora get the results of Matthew’s surgery. (Soap Opera Digest)
* Blair is able to prevent Todd from confessing his feelings to Tea. (Soap Opera Digest)
* John receives the brunt of Natalie’s rage. (Soap Opera Weekly)
* Bo and Nora feel guilty for what they are doing to Clint. (Soap Opera Weekly) Then don't do it.
* Blair sees first hand just how dangerous Ross can be. (Soap Opera Weekly)
* Jessica confronts her father. (Soap Opera Weekly) [I know this is Mitch, but I hope they re-Buch Jessica in the end.]
* Todd learns Téa has a daughter. (Soap Opera Weekly)
* Things get violent when Téa tells Ross the truth about Danielle. (Soap Opera Weekly)
* Charlie blames himself. (Soap Opera Weekly)
* Roxy turns the tables on Stacy when she tries to blackmail her. (National Enquirer)
* Blair and Ross reach an agreement. (National Enquirer)
* Rachel urges Téa to confess to Todd. (National Enquirer)

SOS COMING SOON: Week of 11/16

Natalie faces an impossible task. Mitch taunts John, saying John will never stop punishing himself for the death of Natalie's husband and points out Natalie will hold John responsible as well. Natalie regrets the choices she made while Jared was alive and realizes her actions contributed to his death as well. Bo and Nora learn the outcome of Matthew's surgery. Rex confronts Roxy. Blair stops Todd from declaring his feelings for Tea. Bo and Nora's guilt is amplified after a call from Clint. [It's still all about how bad they supposedly feel. I can't wait to see Clint lash out at them, and I hope he learns that they were ready to have sex before Nora ended things with him. I wonder if it's Clint's phone call that stops them and if he hadn't called if they would have gone all the way. It's really sad that tptb have tainted Bora's reunion with such selfishness and hypocrisy. There were any number of ways to write this story better. The end does not justify the means, especially if Bora don't really have to suffer for it.] Rachel advises Tea to be truthful with Todd. Blair makes a surprising move. Charlie blames himself for the tragic turn of events. Tea's forced to confess the truth to Ross. Natalie takes her grief out on John. Jessica wants answers from Mitch. Ross shows his violent side. Stacy tries to put the screws to Roxy. Todd learns Tea has a daughter.

Now Emily you sound like you are miffed with Sanctimonious and Hypocritcal and their much ballyhooed honor and decency. They're such a selfless duo I just don't get how? And they LUV Clint soooo much. We should all feel soooo sorrryyyy for them.

Who cares if they ALMOST have sex? I mean REALLY? So what? Whoop dee doo. The LOSERS have been CHEATING on Clint since the engagement party that his girls threw for them. Nora's so darn sweet ain't she?

Clint probably calls to check on Matthew's well being and let them know that he's heartbroken for his daughter who's just lost the love of her life. DANG what a kill joy. Poor Bora can't play "hide the cannoli" because they remember that she's married to his brother. Dag nabbit!

Bo has become a loathesome creature. Sniffing after his brother's wife and then willing to CHEAT on him not just emotionally but this too? Bo is the worst brother on the show. What a jerk he is! I find him gross and disgusting. His moral compass doesn't even exist anymore.

I hope Clint give them 1000 times what Shaun gave Greg and Rachel. I hope they find Kim truly loathesome and Clint plants them both in the middle of the mansion. It can't be bad enough since I know I won't get to see Bo punched into next week or Nora called on what a horrid person she truly is.

I'd really like Todd to get wind of this and do one of his world famous headlines. That would be beyond funny. "Thy Brother's Wife" and a picture of them with the caption. Oh how Todd would love to torment those two people. Todd and his hateful ways would add a little levity to my putrid disgust with the whole story. The whole cop shop should be gossiping and giving them a taste of their own judgemental ways.

Yeah, just a little miffed.

It is unbelievable that we're supposed to "understand" Bora's stress in trying to keep their hands off each other. They're not 15. They're way too old to use the "I can't to help myself" excuse.

I just do not understand why RC has chosen to write the story this way. If Bora's feelings and passion were so strong for each other, there should have been no conflict between the brothers for Nora, and Bo wouldn't have been so wishy-washy in making his own feelings known. What Clint wanted most was honesty from them, but we're supposed to sympathize with them because they couldn't be honest with themselves and dragged Clint along for the ride? It's just ridiculous that they were both too scared to admit their feelings for 8 months, and then within 2 soap days everything is discussed and they're reunited.

I know some posters are trying to blame Clint, like he should have known to back off because he doesn't belong with Nora. That just excuses Nora and Bo's behavior. Anytime before the wedding, Clint would have been hurt, but I'm sure he would have understood and probably would have been happy for Bora. Clint didn't force them to make the choices they did. Clint did not force Nora into a romance with him and he didn't force her to go through with the wedding. Yes, Clint was persistent, but Nora was still free to decide for herself. The wedding happened because of Nora. Bo and Nora both knew exactly what Clint's feelings were - he was the most honest in this situation, but we're supposed to feel for all 3 because Bora is just the bestest ever! (And they love Clint! )

I am feeling vindictive and vengeful because the writers made it much worse than I think it needed to be. Bo and Nora really deserve some kind of harsh consequences for their behavior. Part of my annoyance is that I wonder if RC is even going to bother to try and repair the damage, or if the Buchs will happily celebrate Christmas like nothing happened.

ETA: I finally read the transcript of last Thursday's show (when Bora decided their future). It's a good thing I didn't actually watch that show, as the dialogue was ridiculously obnoxious, and I didn't want to hurt my new TV. Their plan was to have Nora tell Clint alone and "get it over with" and then Bo would be waiting outside to help console her after that difficult ordeal, and then Bo would let Clint "get his shot in" at him, and then everything would be fine? Nora said something like Clint's not the type to take his pain in installments, so they expect him to have an outburst and then be fine and dandy with them? How unbelievably self-absorbed can you get? This is not the same as just ripping off a band-aid.

It's all about Bora. Poor Poor Bora. The writing is despicable and Bo and Nora are easily the MOST selfish characters ever.

They had plenty of chances to come clean for lo these many many years. Instead they wait till Nora is Clint's wife so that he can be completely betrayed. Let's face it; other than his offspring, Bora are the most important people in his life and his very best friends.

Reminds me what I think of them and this prolonged, betrayal and whitewash of the whole thing just as long as the lovebirds end up together.

THE.Y SMELL. BAD.

I watched it to hear what they said Th. It was worse watching it. All the longing looks at each other and woe is me crap they were spewing.

I'm still just so shocked and disappointed in Bo. That he doesn't give a roadents rear end about his brother just breaks my Buchanan lovin' heart. He's DEAD to me. (to borrow a page from Asa's book)

If Clint and his family include Bo in anything any time soon and don't freeze him out it would be the worst writing ever.

If Nora and Bo feel guilty why aren't they doing something to get over their guilt which is to tell the truth. The longer they drag this out the worse it is going to be. Will Clint be still in the dark, at Thanksgiving, Christmas as they don't want to ruin his holiday season?

I hope that Clint gets the Buchanan mansion in his name as part of the divorce settlement and that Matthew who is so disgusted with his parents moves in with him.

Clint gave Nora the ability to back off before the wedding and he did the same thing for Bo. They let him proceed, so how is this his fault? So what was everyone else's read of Clint looking at the photo?

PS if this is a double post, sorry...

BL (who just wanted to let people know that the CBS:SID has bowling pictures in it for this past event, but I don't understand why Jerry says 18 years in regards to when he had cancer, because 1993 is only 16 years ago...since SID and SOW had that mistake...I'm perplexed.)

Exactly! The tone for Bo and Nora is that they're in love again, so how can anyone be mad with them and how they're handling this? All that matters is their good intentions.

It's silly that Nora has made up her mind but the writers are dragging this out (probably to fit with the timing with other stories). That just makes Bora look worse. It's ridiculous that the writers have Clint fly to London just to almost catch Bora kissing. It's one thing if Clint comes home to the mansion and almost catches Bora there, but he has to fly across an ocean to do it this time. And we know that they don't tell Clint this time, probably because they're all interrupted by news of other family (Bora that Matthew has run away and Clint about Jared and his daughters). The soap device of interruptions in this story is too much, and it's weak storytelling. I'm not looking forward to more of Bora feeling sorry for themselves for having to hurt Clint, when it's all up to them to do something about it.

Jerry implied in his last newsletter that the big confrontation would happen during November sweeps, so I'm guessing in the last week or so, based on spoilers already known for the next 2 weeks (none of which are about Bora finally telling Clint).

I was sort of entertaining the same idea! I wonder if Clint will get the mansion, since Stacy and Kim mentioned that as a point in his favor (of course they wouldn't know that Nora inherited the house). But I thought it would be interesting if Matthew was still so angry with his parents that he wanted to stay with Uncle Clint. Although rumors suggest that Bora and Matthew may reconcile after his surgery. I'm not sure, but it sounds like something may go wrong and Dr. Greg will have to come save the day. So maybe Matthew realizes his parents' fears were well-founded, and Bora are just so grateful that he didn't die.

It's all Clint's fault in the minds of certain fans, who don't want to admit that Bora's behavior in this has been anything but perfect and wonderful and loving. Then again, they never cared about Clint in the first place, so he's automatically the bad guy, even though HBS keeps saying there are supposed to be no bad guys. Clint did push for what he wanted, but he never forced Nora or Bo to do anything. If, for example, it was Bo pushing Nora to get married sooner than later, that would be wonderful, but since it was Clint, then he gets what he deserves.

I think he's mainly missing his wife and that he's really in love with her. They're not love-at-first-sight soulmates, but I think he still has legitimate romantic feelings for her. From what I've been told about Clint, if he wants to get married and commit to a woman, that means he's truly fallen for her. (So, his 6 years of just living with Dallas in London was OOC for him, right Kit? He would have married her.) He wants to be with Nora and support and help her, so much so that he wants to go to London even though he's still waiting on word about his daughters' troubles. The Bora possibility may still be niggling in the back of his head, but I don't think he worries that they may betray him. Clint was constantly reminded that Nora loves him and wouldn't marry him if she didn't, and he probably can't conceive of his brother chasing after his wife like this behind his back, even if it's for Nora. He's convinced himself that they love each other as exes like he and Viki do (and I think Clint/Viki have truly gotten over each other and moved on), and Bo and Nora never disagreed with him. He knows they've gotten closer because of Matthew's situation, but I don't think Clint believes he's going to catch them in a compromising situation. I think he'll be shocked as to what's really going on with them and how far it's gotten. It's another "spin the beanie" analogy that Liz described when Jerry had to play Ross on GL as not seeing something that was going on right in front of him.

I saw a picture of Jerry/BW/MA with that caption on some other fan board (I guess it was from SOW), and I too thought the 18 years was too much. I had to do the math to confirm it for myself. It's hard to say where the mistake came from, even if all 3 magazines had the same figure. SOD and SOW are essentially the same thing these days, so it could have been just one reporter's work. And maybe SID used the quote from SOD/SOW. If the 18 year figure came from Jerry, then he may be including something else. He was diagnosed the first time in 1993, but I think he had a recurrence in 1995 (which I think he alluded to in his first Emmy win speech). So he's really been cancer-free for 14 years. I'm just as perplexed as you.

I think maybe you were in "a mood" when you added all the recent smilies.



BTW I love them.


Clint first came to town and had a brief relationship with Pat, Dorian and Edwina then Viki whom he married and stayed married to while raising the kids, Kevin, Joey and Jessica and discovering Megan and Cord and fighting off several bouts of Viki's alters and Tina. They each had interlopers in Echo, David R, Tom, Maria, Roger, Julia and then Lindsay Butler during Viki's affair with Sloan.

Clint didn't want anyone else and pursued Viki for years trying to repair his family till she turned his re-marriage proposal down again and went on a cruise. He was heartbroken and hooked up with Lindsay Rappaport on the rebound marrying her in Vegas. Todd's joke at the time was that Clint wasn't thinking clearly due to the skid marks up the back of his head from Viki treading on him over and over again.

Lindsay of course only had eyes for Bo and Sam while they were married but did not betray Clint. He dumped her the minute she messed with his Jessie and didn't have a chance to be a really bad wife. LOL

Then he left for London and hooked up with Dallas for years. It was always heavily inferred that Dallas wasn't all that into Clint's kids. That's why they were never married. They even had Viki at one point go on about how perfect they were for each other and how Dallas took such good care of him etc. Jessica and the boys always implied she was "nice enough" to Dad. This was played out when Clint first came home and Dallas ended it on Christmas. She was barely concerned for how ill Jessica was and she was truly bats at the time.

You know the scoop since he's been back.

With his history a marriage on the rebound wouldn't be unbelievable. But being used by Kim after the farce with Nora would be. I can see all of them thinking "poor Clint" and in the end he's merely living for the moment and well aware of what he's doing. Much like Asa was with all of his wives.


I do think since RC is so very fond of shared living quarters that they are either going to have Clint/Nora split the house OR Nora insists it's The Buchanan Family home. ALA Monica Quartermaine on GH. Alan gave her that house in the 70's and it's been the family home ever since. Even when Alan was married to other women he'd bring them home. And all the other Q's no matter how much Monica hated them? They were welcome in her home. ONLY ON A SOAP!

Clint, Natalie and Jessica have said that Clint owns the Buchanan Lodge. So he does have some digs.

Whatever as long as Clint is on and has good story and we get to see him AWAY from Bora. I'd like him involved with his girls and BE and Kim. Just no longer in the way of poor long suffering, Bora. Because nothing is their fault after all!