Here is a link for info on a podcast on Thursday morning.

http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/topic/8562196/1/

There is going to be another podcast interview with Jerry.

Tomorrow on Soap Opera Source "Llanview PA radio" courtesy of Thomas.

He will post a link on SZ when he finishes the podcast tomorrow.

Just a heads up!

He hasn't posted the link yet, but it's up on Blog Talk Radio. It's the very last one in the On-Demand list. Just like the earlier podcast with Destini, go to the show page and you can download the podcast.

I've listened to the first half so far, and they cover DSS, PP/new OLTL, C/V, Klimt. It's really good. I'll try to do a summary later if you need me too. It seems like AS is coming back to film more stuff (to fit the filming in her schedule), but Jerry seemed to imply that they haven't filmed much Klimt stuff yet.

Dealing with a guest right now...through most of the weekend. Won't get a chance to listen to anything until next week... if there is anything notable or discussion worthy please post it.

I had a friend email me about it.

She kind of thought he was saying he hasn't filmed past whatever we're going to see in the next few days yet but that they are going to be doing a lot. But she thought they did do a lot. So I don't know. She's gushing about how much they like working together and how the interview people like Klimt so much and he was pleased with that and that's what got him talking about how much they are doing so she's thinking they are a go.

Also that she thinks they are going Kim/Clint over Clint/Viki. At least that's the impression she got. Also I guess she posted about it elsewhere. She's all psyched.

I haven't heard it yet. I'll try to listen tonight.

Still happily watching and re-watching today's show!

DSS is in its 8th year and Jerry can hardly remember year 1 because they've grown so much. Jerry calls himself a horrible bowler, as he grew older.

Jerry appreciates being able to play such a historical role as Clint. It was easy to go from a pillar of the community on GL (Ross) to a pillar of the community on OLTL who had a flip side (Clint). The difficult part was learning all the relationships and background between Clint and other characters. He's grateful that ES helped him out. For the first year he tried to play things in neutral, and after that he decided not to just copy CR but rather emulate PC's Asa because children usually eventually turn into their parents. Now that he knows who everyone is now and how they're connected, he's having the time of his life.

GT - Jerry had a good time working with her at GL. He really likes working with her again. He calls her professional and thinks she does well with their fast-paced production style.

KZ - Ross was the only guy in town (Springfield) that Reva missed. They joked that was because Ross' last name wasn't Lewis. He said he and KZ rarely worked together on GL but on OLTL they're suddenly in two characters that have a history together so they had a lot of scenes to do.

WM - They asked if he'll get to work with her too. He laughed and said, "This is going to be fun." He saw her in the hallway but didn't get to talk to her much. He thinks she's there for a couple of months, but he hasn't heard yet if he'll have scenes with her or not.

Clint's feelings about Rex - Every time he sees Rex, he sees Echo. And Clint's "affair" with Echo almost cost him his marriage to Viki, so Rex is a reminder of that grief. Jerry says it happens in real life. He's had fun playing it because it wasn't rushed and he likes working with JPL.

Cancellation of OLTL on ABC - Jerry explained that when a show is canceled, there's an initial outrage that eventually fades away and that's it. This is a strange situation, where two shows were canceled on the same day on the same network affecting 2 hours of daily programming. AMC's ratings weren't great, but OLTL was "ascending". Jerry felt that if he could encourage the outrage to be turned into continuous protest that something would eventually be done because it would start to get embarrassing and the replacement shows would be seen as the shows that killed soaps. The protest seems to have worked and OLTL's ratings are still going up. So OLTL had a built-in audience and it was loyal, which looked good to Prospect Park. Now it won't just be online (worldwide) but also maybe on cable.

PP are very forward thinking. They want to start the world's first network, which just happens to be online. So they have to fill their programming with new and old shows. They also represent a lot of musicians so they want to find an outlet for them. PP's emphasis is on convenience in TV watching - on-demand on whatever forum you want to view it.

They talked about a delay for AMC and it starting on the same Monday in January as OLTL, but OLTL would end on a Friday on ABC and pick up on the next Monday on PP. The reason we haven't heard much yet from PP is that they're still talking to the guilds - the actors, directors, technicians, etc. Jerry talked about the meeting they had with PP, who assured them they didn't buy the soaps to gut them and put something else on with just the show's name. PP purchased all the sets, wardrobe, props, etc. Once the contracts with the actors guild is worked out, then we'll start hearing who's going to the new show. Jerry thinks many of the actors will make the switch, especially since OLTL production will stay in the northeast.

After cancellation, Jerry said he knew something might happen. He didn't expect anything to happen this quickly. He reminds that OLTL is still owned by ABC and licensed by PP for a decade. ABC won't have anything to do with the show in terms of story, influence, etc. but they will get royalties from the licensing fees. Jerry was surprised at the PP deal because it's never happened before, but that's because a show had nowhere else to go in the past. Online has more possibilities, and TVs are already equipped to hook up to the Internet, so people don't have to watch it on their computer if they don't want to. Jerry sees this as entertainment history. Larry Gates (HB Lewis on GL) remembered when soaps went from radio to TV - for the first few years the actors did both media (radio in the morning and live TV in the afternoon). People then were saying TV was just a fad, not many would be able to watch, etc. Jerry's heard that it's a downward or sideways move, but he sees it as a progressive move. He thinks people should be excited for this new evolution.

A C/V reunion? - Tptb haven't told Jerry anything, and he hasn't seen anything in writing, but proximity usually helps a couple. Clint has the ankle bracelet and can't leave the house. It's a nice story after all the dreadful things that Clint did. Viki is the best to help redeem someone and she's also had an emotional loss with Charlie. Jerry thinks it's possible and he's interested to see how it might happen, but the show might be in some flux since the story (Clint under house arrest at Viki's) was started after the show was canceled but before the PP deal came about. He thinks they may be tweaking it to give an ending for the ABC broadcast but have something to continue on the PP version. He calls it a work in progress, but he thinks C/V will be together in some way no matter what the story does.

Clint/Kim - They asked about Kim's return and how it may affect C/V, and Jerry laughed. When Kim shows up, it's not good for most everybody else, and Viki's now included in that. Viki wouldn't be pleased having to put up with Kim after enduring Echo as a house guest. Since Clint can't go anywhere, Kim would have to come to Llanfair to see him. He says they've only taped two things because of AS' schedule (Gossip Girl and a variety of other things), so she'll be back to tape more shows. He says all he's really taped is the re-introduction of Kim that we saw. [Assuming Wednesday's tag and Thursday's show? On the podcast with Destini, he said they've been taping quite a bit when AS is available - not sure how that reconciles with what he says here.]

They talked about how Clint/Kim were different from the usual story of that type. The characters had trust and respect for each other and knew what the other was after. Jerry was skeptical when he first heard the proposed story of Clint and a girl young enough to be his granddaughter. He didn't want either him or the girl embarrassed. But the story became very genuine and organic and sweet, which is something Jerry never expected. He likes working with AS, and vice versa. On the surface, Clint/Kim's relationship makes no sense at all and shouldn't work. He didn't want it to be a gold-digger/letch story and thankfully it wasn't. He thinks it's shows AS' talent to show this other side of a gold-digging stripper. Clint treated Kim better than any man has treated her, with respect and encouragement that she's better than she thinks.

Jerry believes OLTL's writing is really working - Clint/Kim and then Clint turning into Asa and Clint's kids' stories as examples.

Jessica/Natalie - Jerry says soaps "lurch" one way or another due to focus groups, etc. and can lose their way. Soaps are traditionally about the different generations of families and how they interact. When just the younger generation is focused on, the audience knows something is missing. Stories are richer when everyone is involved because that's how life works. Jerry agrees that C/V probably favor Jessica over Natalie, but it's because of their overwhelming guilt about what happened in her childhood as well as her DID. These things kind of forced C/V to pay more attention to Jess. Nat is more normal and healthy and it's assumed she can take care of herself. C/V don't fully realize this, but Natalie can see it.

Clint rejecting Rex when he already accepted Cord and Natalie - Jerry felt it was out of character, but it helped him as a performer to have the Echo connection and Clint's feelings for Echo are attached to Rex to explain why Rex was the exception to Clint's view on family. Jerry plays it that Clint can't get Echo's image out of his head when he looks into Rex's eyes. Jerry says there's always an exception and Rex is it for Clint, and it helped that the audience got to actually see Echo instead of just hearing the characters talk about her. Jerry thinks Viki's influence may help Clint accept Rex into his strong family bond.

Ford/Jessica & Clint's reaction - Jerry recently taped scenes with Ford which deals with Clint's feelings about Ford/Jess. He said there was a pause in the story (which was strange to him) probably because they weren't sure if the performers (DG and BW) would stay but they both decided to stay. [This explanation was kind of vague, and I think many are reading too much into it. He didn't say anything about the story details, just that the story is continuing now.]

Jerry says story sometimes does change due to actor availability, such as AS as Kim. If the writers had their way, she'd be on far more often, but she has other things to do so restrictions on her time is a problem for story. Jerry also mentioned the limited availability of TW as David. TW still wants to do the show, but he may come in for like a week, stay at a hotel, does a "gazillion" shows and then flies back to L.A. But it's hard for the writers to schedule and write scripts that way.

Soap actors having to find truth in OOC actions - Jerry had trouble about 18 months ago when he heard that Clint was going to absolutely lose his mind, but then tptb explained to him why (his wife goes back to his brother, etc.) and he understood. The fans complained that Clint was OOC, but Jerry defends that it can happen when a person has awful things happen to them. After someone lashes out, the news always have quotes that others never believed it could happen or the person didn't seem like they could lose it. Jerry likes to think what Clint might be doing when he's not on-screen. After hearing about Bo/Nora, Jerry always pictured Clint as sitting alone in this huge mansion (except for Nigel), staring into the fire with Nigel bringing him another drink and looking at Asa's picture (whose death had a profound affect on Clint) - night after night of this must have made Clint nuts. Once Jerry understood the motivation emotionally, he told the writers that he thought Clint was capable of anything.

Bo/Clint - Jerry thinks the Clint/Nora/Bo story is very soapy and Shakespearean. It will take a long time for Bo/Clint to fully and honestly reconcile because the hurt was so deep and the betrayal so profound, but Jerry likes it because it's good soap.

Jerry thinks some ptb may be afraid of "simple" scenes of 2 characters just talking to each other, or maybe even a bit of silence in a scene. They'd rather do a quick edit or blow something up and they think it's story. Story should be character-driven, not for production values or the like. Jerry joked that he's never had a fan praise the show because they liked how they set fire to things. Viewers remember story and moments.

Clint's crimes - Jerry thinks the worst was nearly destroying Matthew. Clint was grooming him to eventually take over the company, but his efforts nearly ruined Matthew. Jerry was able to play it because Clint was so hurt he thought he was doing the right thing - what would Asa do. Jerry doesn't think the writers were thinking so long term about Matthew (would he really someday be a newer Asa?), but it was more for Clint trying to set up the next generation of the family and company by training Matthew to be a true Buch (at least in Clint's eyes).

He's thankful the fans stuck with OLTL (and AMC) and he's happy that they can keep their shows. He encourages people to learn the new technology if necessary.

Thanks Emily!

I knew we could count on you for a full review!

Since I saw it on SZ is this a usual podcast for these people? I'm wondering if it would be good to start checking it out. Did they say?

So Clint and Viki or Clint and Kim? I've been in my head saying they shouldn't go Clint and Viki if it's staying in production. Wonder if HNY is right. If so that sounds really rushed now. The Clint and Viki story could/should take some time.

JMHO

I've seen this Llanview podcast mentioned a few times (by Thomas on SZ since he mainly posts there), but it looks like it's mainly them discussing the show. Jerry may be their first big interview like this. Anyone can have a show on Blog Talk Radio.

As a professional researcher, one of my pet peeves is paraphrasing and abstracts that (even if unintentionally) change the meaning of the original source. I've noticed that many people somehow don't read "possibly" or "maybe" or "might happen," and when they paraphrase like a spoiler they leave those words out. Like Jerry essentially said he thinks C/V reuniting might happen but he hasn't heard anything yet, and I've seen people paraphrase that as there is no reunion.

Also, if you've read enough of Jerry's comments over the years, you'll know that he doesn't usually ask for information, he doesn't get told much of long-term story, and he usually only knows what's in his scripts. And his timeframe is probably more fluid than people give it credit. The actors do several scripts a day when they work, and Jerry may be remembering something from like a month ago as "recently".

I can't believe that he only taped a few things with AS up to now because the show tapes so many weeks in advance - if he hasn't taped anything else yet with AS then that might not show up until a few weeks from now at least, which doesn't seem the intention of the story. Since they tape by script, Wed's tag and Thurs' show were most likely done together, and he could have filmed several episodes at once with her some other day. I think Kim also has upcoming scenes with Cutter (kind of implied in the spoilers), so she can have episodes away from Clint.

I've also seen people say Jerry said Ford/Tess would happen - all he said was that the story is continuing because both actors are available. He didn't even say what Clint's reaction was in the scenes he filmed with Ford.

I was really interested in Jerry's comments about Bo/Clint's relationship. Being a Clint fan, I immediately thought that Clint's hurt was profound and Bora's betrayal of him was deep. I'm still waiting for that to be really acknowledged on the show, because I feel that it was used to turn Clint dark but never spotlighted so the audience had no clue to his motivation. I know Bo feels hurt and betrayed by Clint too, but that's already gotten all the focus and I don't want to see just that side for the time it takes Bo/Clint to reconcile. Clint wouldn't have gone nuts in the first place if Bora (among others) hadn't hurt him so badly. (And the excuse that Clint shouldn't have gotten between Bora is naive and unrealistic - Bora aren't pre-teens who don't know how relationships really work.)

A true reconciliation can't happen as long as Bora, other characters, and even tptb act like Bora was justified in what they did, and Clint doing horrible things to them does not "negate" Bora's original betrayal. Kim was sort of a consolation prize for Clint when he lost Nora to Bo, to distract Clint from how hurt he was. And if AS had stayed it probably would have been okay (and fun :D), but other than "gee, how sad for Clint" comments, no one in his life seemed to care how he was affected by all the hits he took at that time. Even now when a character defends Clint, someone else quickly reminds how Clint did bad things, so the story is still telling us that Clint still has to pay. (Although coming from people like Dorian and David, who have done horrible, cruel things themselves is a crock.) Clint's not a ruined character - he's emotionally damaged, but the story hasn't even touched on trying to heal that for him.

Clint/Viki or Clint/Kim? I think the plan was to give Klimt closure because it was left hanging, and use it to lead to C/V. Some (like HNY) still insist on a Christmas wedding for C/V. If true, that could be filmed as late as November (towards the end of ABC's filming). I'm torn - if AS is willing to work around her schedule as recurring on OLTL, I'd like to see if Klimt can go somewhere (but I don't want a come-and-go situation like David has). Klimt would obviously be more sensational a couple than C/V. But I understand the appeal of C/V as an older anchor couple (as long as they didn't fade into the background). It would be more interesting if C/V weren't married and settled to start the PP version.

I'm doing a summary right now of the interview Jerry did today with BuzzWorthy Radio. Follow the link BL posted in the first post and it will take you to the page with the show. The download link took me to an online mp3 player, but I was able to right click and save the source too.

(I have to run an errand soon but I'll also post about today's show, which wasn't interrupted for me so let me know if you missed anything on your copy.)

The BuzzWorthy Radio podcast with Jerry

Jerry comes on about the 3:50 mark (the show is 30 minutes long). Apparently Hurricane Irene has made it to the NJ/NY area and Jerry had some downpours today. And Jerry remembers his days in L.A. and he says call the tremor on Tuesday an earthquake.

The host Navell (sp?) has been watching Jerry practically his whole life as Ross on GL and loved the character and his relationship with both SS/Blake and LK/Blake. Jerry explained that Ross was a villain his first few years. Through the love of some good women, Ross turned around and became a pillar of the community. He says when he left, Ross had become a community leader and standard-bearer for Springfield. Then playing Clint and going from good to bad was full-circle for Jerry.

Jerry reiterates his comments from yesterday's interview about how OOC Clint's actions seem, and how many don't see bad things coming from people they know. The root of Clint's change was Bora's affair and Clint finding out about it, and Jerry thinks Clint just cracked. Clint did a lot of awful things, but Jerry had fun playing it. And Asa's death had a profound effect on Clint. When things started going south for Clint, he went with it and things spun out of his control. So Jerry's answer to people who complain Clint is OOC is that you'd be surprised what people can do when they're pushed into a corner.

Jerry was asked how he got the role of Clint. Jerry explained that GL had taken him off contract so he was free to audition for other roles, even though he had like 3 or 4 scripts to do for GL. Jerry's getting his timeline mixed up because he's now remembering that CR died before Clint was brought back to OLTL. He first read for FV and then came back to do a scene on tape with ES. He got a call offering him the contract about a week later. With 2 kids in college the choice between contract at OLTL and no contract at GL was easy to make. He sent the GL scripts back and he thinks he was out of work for like a day. Jerry considers himself lucky to get the role because of the history of the character and place on the show. Also, he had known the actors from OLTL but never acted with them before, and he's really enjoying working with them.

Clint's "young ex" is coming back and he's under house arrest in his other ex's house. They joked about Clint trying to catch up to Asa's number of wives and Jerry remembered that Asa liked "young fillies". Clint is channeling his inner-Asa. He again says they're working around AS' schedule. [This makes sense with her starting back in early June and taking about 10 weeks to finally see her on-screen. Sounds like she's working a day here and a day there.] Kim's young enough to be his granddaughter and he didn't want it to be a gold-digger/letch story, but it turned into something sweet partly because Clint treated Kim like no man had before. Clint thinks she's better than her situation, wanting her to quit stripping. Kim responded to his encouragement and now she's back in town to cause more trouble with Clint.

Jerry couldn't wait to get out of the wheelchair and he's out now taping things walking around. Jerry says he was dangerous to be around in the chair, bumping into furniture and other people. Going in reverse was a nightmare. Jerry remembered when EA played Matthew in a wheelchair for about 2 months, and towards the end EA was doing wheelies and getting all over in the chair. Jerry never got to that point. He did get his fingers caught in the wheel spokes a couple of times.

They talk about DSS and Jerry explains about the event and the online auctions.

Talking about online leads to talking about PP. Jerry doesn't think he's "talking out of school" to tell about the meeting with the gathered cast and crew at OLTL with the two heads of PP. It was a "meet and greet" type meeting. The head guys have read the rumors about OLTL maybe being a shell of itself online, and Jerry said they were told PP didn't buy the shows to be gutted and just use the show name. PP bought all the show's sets, wardrobe, props, etc. Jerry believes the viewers won't be able to tell the difference, including the same length. [Although without commercials and credits, OLTL is about 36 minutes long (going by the ABC.com videos). Will PP's OLTL really be a full hour or about 36 minutes?] PP wants to establish a network of on-demand programming.

PP hasn't said much yet because their lawyers advised them to finish the guild/union negotiations first. Jerry thinks that since the shows (AMC & OLTL) are staying on their respective coasts that it bodes well for much of the cast to stay. They have to find another studio, but Jerry doesn't think that's a problem in NYC. Jerry's also heard the rumors about PP maybe being able to get the show on a cable channel. They joked about being at the mercy of the lawyers, and Jerry said Ross would be pleased and ask to be sent his check.

Jerry congratulates the fans for helping to make this happen. Jerry thinks PP is impressed by the tenacity and size of the viewership.

Jerry didn't expect anything to come from GL and ATWT's cancellations, but he felt something was up with these current cancellations because ABC canceled a 2 hour programming block all at once.

They also talked about how technology is changing and you can watch online material on your TV. Jerry's amazed by the changing technology. When he first started (in the 1970s), the cameras were huge and on pedestals. Now they can shoot shows with cameras that fit in the palm of your hand. He's impressed by the web soaps because they're done on shoestring budgets, very few people get paid, but the writing is very creative. He especially likes Gotham, very well done and very interesting. Jerry says soaps took a hit from reality shows, but reality shows have to "out-shock" themselves with each new episode. He believes that humans are hard-wired to listen and tell stories. When soaps are doing well, he views them as like reading a good book where you're checking the pages hoping it doesn't end soon. He doesn't think storytelling and scriptwriting will ever go away completely. In fact, he expects a comeback soon.

What has been Jerry's favorite story to play, either as Ross or Clint? He says two - the first being the one that just ended with Clint going absolutely batty. It was plotted and paced well and he got to work with a lot of good actors. The other is on GL, hooking up with Blake while running for the Senate, and then abdicating his seat in order to be with Liz's Blake - always been on of his favorite stories.

Navell wasn't sure and asked if Jerry played a dual role on GL and Jerry himself wasn't sure. Navell was trying to remember Howie (the Ross look-alike RR's Alan Spaulding found in 1995(?)), but Jerry couldn't remember anything like that. Navell remembered it was the antithesis of Ross, which seemed to jog Jerry's memory but he still couldn't come up with anything.

That was the end as Navell thanked Jerry for coming.

The lookalike thing was late 1994... He was like an uncouth Ross in the 70s as he wore leisure suits and chewed a lot of gum.

The pedestal cameras were the standard from the early days of television, only in the last 15 years or so has that changed.

Jerry watched Gotham...really???

The idea of Jerry running people over in the wheelchair makes me giggle. I was disappointed that they didn't block a scene with Amanda on his lap (but maybe we will get that.) It is possible they taped a few episodes on one day. I hope he isn't in the wheelchair as long as he was acting in hospital bed.

I am SOOO glad he's out of the wheelchair.

Putting this here because it's related and I didn't want to start a whole new topic...

Raven's Mini-Update Clarification!! 9/3/11!

She's insistent that Victor isn't really dead and Irene has something to do with it. Apparently she had said someone is not as dead as they look - I guess some wondered if it was Gigi, so Raven clarified that she's heard Victor is still alive, while Rex thinks he's been seeing Gigi's ghost as someone's idea of revenge. (Kim looked strange while telling comafriend that Rex is going nuts over Gigi's ghost, but she doesn't look to have the resources or time to be gaslighting Twitchy from Kentucky.)

Then Raven talked about how PP is trying to woo TSJ, backed up by her disclaimer that anything can change. As further support to things changing, she invoked Jerry's "words" from one of the podcasts but I think she's reading her own bias into what he said:

About the Ford/Jessica story, Jerry said there was a stall because the actors' statuses were up in the air but "the actors" are staying. He didn't say which actors and he didn't say when this happened. There have been several stalls in the story in the past year or so.

Also, Jerry didn't say that he expects C/V to eventually reunite "as planned" - he said that he hasn't heard anything or seen anything in writing that C/V will reunite but of course it's a possibility:

There was nothing in Jerry's comments (in any of his recent 3 podcast interviews) that proved C/V will reunite at the end on ABC.
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Other PP-related thoughts:

One thing I hope that changes with PP is no more re-runs on every major U.S. holiday. I expect some on like Thanksgiving or Christmas or New Year's maybe (although with TV on-demand you don't have to preempt for holiday specials... :think:), but a holiday like Labor Day or Memorial Day really shouldn't have repeats.

And, this past weekend, my dad watched a live-streaming college football game from the internet on his TV. He lives away from the region where his alma mater is, so he doesn't get to see every game on TV each season. This year, the university (Univ of Texas) is debuting their own sports channel, and the first football game was played exclusively on that channel (so far only available to subscribers in Texas). But an online "channel" called Veetle played it live-streaming (complete with the commercials) in high-def. My dad had to download a specific player for the site, but he was able to hook up the TV as an external monitor and watch the game full-screen. It looked like he was watching a regular cable channel.

And as I was researching who Veetle was, I found some message board comments from earlier this year from people wondering if the Roku box will eventually add it to its line-up. I think there will be ways for people to view PP's network on their TV - there will be a bit of a learning curve as people learn what set-up works for them. I just find it interesting that in the last 50 years, American society has gone from excited about new technology to dismissing something new because it's inconvenient for the current lifestyle. We don't know yet how it will work but many seem to have it already figured out and decided it will fail.