Draconic Limit

In the beginning of Canyon of Etterra, you could only have 3 draconics. They upped it to 5. I think 7'd be goo, if any upping at all. Ten's way too many like Obs mentioned.

What if we had a loyalty limit of like 50/per draconic? And even then you could only get seven or so. Which means Bonded, three of his kids, and two grandkids, and like a greatgrandchild, since you can't have your draconics mate in the first place. XD

So a normal limit of five, then you have to level all of them up to 50 loyalty before you can get the next one and then those six to loyalty 30 or something before the next?

I think the draconic limit should be raised by one. Maybe two, but that's sort of pushing it. Why? Well, I've always liked even numbers. =3 That and right now my cave is full of tension and questions that can't be answered. We're suffocating, the four of us. One humanish, three draconic.

If I had known Spirit's plans for the draconics originally, them maybe the current situation in my cave would have never happened. I'd have chosen one, maybe two babies and then everything would be nice and free and everyone could breath! We wouldn't be so afraid to speak to each other...

Ah, ok. I'm going to tell a story. It's about my cave and... its history.

When Eterra first started out, I have five draconics. There was my big huggable Malavos, my bright-eyed Harian, my quietly brooding Lashak, my strikingly intelligent Kivata, and then my little blue Nanaiyesh egg that was waiting to hatch... I was so happy with them.

But there was a draconic limit and there was also breeding. Free breeding, how wonderful! I'd look at my Lashak, Frezic, the first to grow and think... 'I wonder when I can find him a girl...' Soon, the rest of them grew. Denzi hatched. Breeding was in full-swing. I was left behind.

I had five draconics and I loved them all dearly. But there were only three that I refused to give up.

I sold my Harian eventually to a friend who missed out. I tried to find a new home for my Malavos, but they were common... no one wanted him. He just... faded away.

I turned to my remaining three, content and happy. I didn't really need babies, after all, I had them! My Skylark would be perfectly happy with just those three. But what about them? Denzi, the Nanaiyesh, deserved someone intelligent that she could talk to. Demur, the Kivata, was just too wonderful and intelligent not to find someone. And then Frezic... my big, lonely Frezic... What would happen to him?

If Denzi or Demur wanted babies eventually, then Frezic would be left out. I knew that and I made me so sad to think about. Frezic deserved so much more... The poor boy can barely say five words in common! He wasn't played with enough... He needs friends who don't live with him! But I also can't give him up. He was my original favorite, before Demur's personality stole my heart.

I have three draconics and I love them all dearly. I could never give any of them up. They are family. But they are also so very limited... My mind works on ways to make all three happy, but in every plan at least one gets left behind. Maybe if I had only been able to adopt one... or two originally I wouldn't have this problem. But right now, I can't get any of my draconics up. I've had them too long and I like them too much.

Give one to a second character? Oh, yes, I could do that. The change of scenery might suite Frezic, who sort of resents the more intelligent Denzi and Demur. But them what? It's just a quick fix that not everyone can manage...

If a person has two draconics and breeds them both, but only take home one babies from each breeding... That's four. The parents can't kick their offspring out, people can only have one cave each!

If those children wants families of their own and their players want to keep at least one baby to play with for themself... Then those two children are going to be fighting over that one spot. A player would have to either just breed one or breed both and try and get the offspring to go to a friend.

See, this is why I like even numbers so much. You don't have to give something to one and leave the other left out. Both draconics can have a kid. You want to breed those two originals and bring home more them one baby? Er... Ok... but you can only to that with one of them! The other can't have two kids come home.


Now I'm gonna turn around and bite at my own argument. We don't need more then one or two draconics. No one does. I love the idea of having one soul bonded and one companion so much! I even know which ones I'd choose. <3

But at the same time, I love making characters. I love pretty pictures just as much as the next person. I'd want my draconics to have babies and I'd want one of those babies, too. It'd be a crowded cave. The parents would hate it. But Skylark would hug them all and beg her draconics to let her take home a little squishy baby to play with. "Just one, please! I want a new friend to play with! Please!"

And so that's three. Skylark gets her one more companion. That'd work out wonderfully! In an ideal world. But people have plots and ideas and stories. They want more characters, more things to play with. Some people can't be content unless they have at least three generations to play with.

It's like having a book end before the story is completely over. You don't want to hear about how the main character found their true love and they lived happily ever after, especially not when you know for a fact that the main character isn't done having adventures just yet. It's incomplete... just a little empty.


I guess I no longer know what my argument is. On the one hand, I'd like being limited. On the other, I'd love to continue the story. I don't want to limit to be lifted completely. Maybe raised by one.

Gotta love even numbers.

I say: I LOVE the small limit. I hate it cause I want more but I love it because it means that people will have to REALLY care about their draconic to keep it.

The HIGHEST I think it should be would be 7. Just cause it's a cool number, and a good number. 10 sounds like too many to me...and anything higher, I would HATE.

MML and DWF, with no limits- see how many pets people have that NEVER get played with? How many CUSTOMS, even, that no one plays with? Having a limit on Draconics makes people actually think before they do anything. A lot of people don't have time, even, for more than two- thus, they give the others away, or they all just rot. So if those people got 10+...that'd be a lot of draconics going to waste.

The rookery is wonderful. Though...it just gives people things they're too darn lazy to earn on their own through 25 simple posts.... But still.

I am AGAINST any loyaltycaps. Dear god, has anyone seen the CRAPPY posts we all do, to reach those reqs? We should be ashamed of ourselves. XP And like...NOT ruin this section with it.

Yes, five large dragons =/= 5 normal size family members... XD;; Biiig difference.

Heck no, allowing more draconics will not make it more active here...o.O People don't have time to handle their own five, how would having MORE help anything?

Um... MY NAME OH SNAP... Yeah, how the HECK would I allow a chatspeaker to even RP, let alone get, a baby Draconic? Have some faith, gosh. x.o *so insulted* I DO read and I DO RP with the applicants...I thought you, being one of the newbies even that applied, would understand the process... Also, Rosa, you're getting a new character. Know what that means? You get TEN. There you go. Problem solved. Use seven slots. Draconic A can live in your canyon, and its mate can live in your other character's canyon. Pretend they're like a human couple that haven't moved in together.

We ALWAYS had a 5 limit...o.O Long as I've been around... Cause there were 5 to start out with... and stuff...






What I think

- Draconics is NOT MML. Not a collection. Keep it different.
- A low limit works wonders.
- You don't have to get rid of your images when you "kick them out" - Rp them offsite.
- I DO, however, think that if you BUY one, like a Dreaming Egg, or a Water Draconic, that they wouldn't exactly count toward your limit... At most. Ya know? However, keeping a record of who has upgraded caves would be more work than really needed, and confusing...
- I don't mind the 5 limit. It's ingrained in my memory, and everything I do is revolving around that number. Plans for breeding the perfect one for Ashe. We don't need more, really. IF we DID go to 7... then that would have to be it. No adding EVER in the future, no adding if you buy a special one... The most EVER it should reach would be 7. IF that.

That's my three cents. >> <<

(CAPS= stressing words. Not yelling)

Rosa. To be frank.

I think I'm insulted that you don't trust Ashe to do her job. It's her JOB as a staff member, and she is PAID to do it. That's like saying you don't trust me to do Credit Transfers, or Josie to do mines. It's really insulting as a staff member to hear that someone thinks another staff member could be incompetent at their job enough to need 'extra help' without asking for it.

Not only that, but I'm also insulted on your comment about how people here roleplay. You're new here - and you seem competent. What if I thought you were a bad roleplayer and didn't 'deserve' my Draconic's children. You'd be pretty hurt, wouldn't you? Well, I'm hurt for all the poor newbies you insulted there.

You know what I think? I think you're trying to get the limit changed, thinking of yourself first and the community second. Spirit (and some others) are thinking of the community first and themselves second - which is how a possible change in rules should be looked at.

I am also AGAINST the increase to '6' or '7'. Because it's petty. A slight increase isn't going to give you OMG sudden plot adjustment. It's not going to be some new big deal. It's just going to let collectors have one (or two) more pets to collect, and it's going to let a few people get that 'final last one for the plot'.

Plus... 'Give them an inch, they take a mile.' "Well you increased it once, so why not increase it again?" and... again... and again. I feel that this is something that should stay static, and the more I look at this arguement, the more I feel that way.

I personally prefere to stick to one, maybe two individuals.
But I was thinking... Choices will get harder as more speices is getting added, and the idea of having to abandon an old member because a new speices is so extreamly pretty in such way that it inspires you, making you *have to have it*.
Many seem concerned that a increased number of draconics would some rot and become collective objects. And I agree.

My idea however is that, if a person mange to show enough dedication to the draconics they already have, they could get a slithly increased family cap. This shouldn’t be an easy goal at all, but still a possibility. Maybe if a person can show off... let’s say all their 5 draconics at level 80, they may keep a 6th member.
80lvs are a heck lot, and the risk is that spam level posting will occur. But I doubt someone who only have interest in collective items would level 5 creatures to lv80 to raise the cap with one single addition. Spam leveling a creature to lv80... You’d pretty much would be forced to develop some sort of personality and interest. I belive that if you’re willing to put in all this effort, this 6th member must be extreamly important to you... This may, instead of spam, also spur people to rp their draconics more.
Later, to have 7 members, you’d need to show 6 ones at lv.100 and so on. But there should still be a limit of per say 10 draconics even this way.

Or maybe we could be allowed to transform one draconic into another species, as we do in MML with transformation potions. But in draconics case, it would be more attractive if it didn’t happen just because of a unnatural injection, but instead an event that is a *zomg magical* in an anccient temple somewhere. This should also require quality rp rather then creadits. Credits maybe just would determie if ones may obtain LE species or not.

Or both.
Acually, I think I’d prefere both.

I... I like that idea.

I didn't say I don't trust her to do her job- But I don't know everything her job entitles. Does it include background checks? People tend to do better when they're trying out for something. So who knows, they could be GREAT in the Rookery- But somewhere else...Not so much. As Kyle said, I don't think she needs help in the Rookery. Stealthy staff member to sneak around and make sure people are being honest.

Same stealthy staff member could also help with the "negative credits" that happen- Like...Keep track of who's transferring what, and notify someone if they've gone over before transfers go through so they don't spend MORE... 'Cause last time credits went through, there were some people who were like,"?! I went over? D:"

And...Someone told me people sell their offspring Draconics in the trading post sometimes? Are they allowed/supposed to do that? Same stealthy staff could track and make sure people aren't doing that...And actually using the Rookery.

I didn't insult anyone here, actually.No one here roleplays like that. I'll quote myself.

"Roleplay somewhere else besides the crossroads. Trust me, they'll move here."
...
"I'm not talking about the ones who actually try. No one's fabulous at roleplaying when they start out. Spirit's doing what he can to prevent it-Eventually, though, they'll find a way to slip through."

Actually, the only reason I said anything is because someone else told me to.

I am also AGAINST the increase to '6' or '7'. Because it's petty. A slight increase isn't going to give you OMG sudden plot adjustment. It's not going to be some new big deal. It's just going to let collectors have one (or two) more pets to collect, and it's going to let a few people get that 'final last one for the plot'.

"That's why I'm thinking just two more spots, up the limit from 5 to 7. Of course, I mean, by then, something else will happen and who knows? 10 is definitely too many, there's just no way. 7 is a good, round number that lets a liiiiittle bit of diversity into your Cavern.

And what about the people who have five Draconics, can't imagine parting with ANY of them, and yet still want their favorite to have children and at least one live with them? Either they'll be sad and get rid of one of them or they'll let their Draconic be sad and never let them have kids. How do you choose between the two?

Eterra has always intrigued me because of this, there's always new breeds of Draconics popping up, and how do you choose the perfect mate for one of your own because of it?"

I basically control ALL of the draconics baby process, minus the coloring. I set up apps for people, I open breeding rooms, I watch to make sure that those actually breeding don't just post five measly sentences each post (and believe me when I say a breeding has been voided because they would not edit their posts to even meet the sites five-sentence requirement, due to me watching it.) I also atually RP (attempted to be extensive, so I can test their skill) with the babies and potential "family" leaders. You know this very well. Next time, before thinking I might miss something, think for a minute before posting.

And like Silver said... I could have easily said, "You're a newbie, you're just typing pretty to impress me, you automatically can't get one..." Wouldn't have liked that, I bet, especially if Tala wouldn't have bypassed me.

Also... I don't know if you're aware how long I'm online, but how few posts I make in comparison... While I do RP, and try to a lot, mostly I like watching people, or conversing. Anyone that's active here, I basically know how they RP, and have an opinion of them. I know how often they RP, and generally the quality both when they're trying extra hard, making quick posts to make a requirement, and just having fun. And I've never RPed with you, besides the Rookery, so if I didn't watch what people were doing, and how they RP... I could have easily assumed those weren't normal posts for you and you were trying too hard.

I don't know why I'm defending myself to you as I don't have to, but I thought this would be obvious.

As for the selling... I'm not sure about that myself. I know Twilight once held a competition (RPstyle) to see who she would best like her baby to go to, which I don't see anything wrong with. It's just like what I would do, only she, the owner/family leader, gets to choose. People -are- allowed to give their eggs away instead of going straight to the rookery, to my understanding. There was also an auction once, but to my understanding... If you have five slots and only three are filled, those three are for you to do whatever you want with. It's just like how people sell the Amulet of Submission (also a free gift) for a lot of credits.

And, to be even more frank... People should pay attention to their credit useage. They're lucky to have so many transfers, and have them done efficiently. Even on Silver's bad weeks, the transfers get done way sooner than the transfers on V1 that were left in chaos after the former credit transfer-er quit. That was MONTHS worth of credits that never got taken from the shops. It's their OWN fault, no Silver's, for going over. How hard is it to not spend what you don't have? Think of it as a bank card. You can't spend what you don't have in your bank account...spend more than what you have, you get penalties. The bank doesn't let you know till after, as you are expected to have that little responsibility. The bank is also NOT to blame.

Actually, we do have people here like that occasionally. Either they get caught and banned, go inactive cause no one will play with them, or they try to shape up, but still RP like crap, no matter how many people try to help. (not naming anyone, but it does happen).

And this person that told you to can't stand up for it themselves? A debate you don't really want wholeheartedly..isn't a good debate to enter. o.O

People who love all of their draconics should NOT breed them, to avoid temptation. If they breed them, and then drool over the babies they can't have, and don't want enough to switch out another, then they obviously don't want them enough, thus they would be better off elsewhere. That would be their fault, not Spirit's.

I like the idea of the transformation magical thing, sorta... But IC, it would seem to me to insult the Draconic... "Here, let's change how you look because you don't look cool enough for me but I don't want to get rid of all the hard work I put into you.." If my mom took me to get plastic surgery because SHE wanted me to look more like Angelina Jolie, I would be sad. D=

Level/loyalty requirements, no matter the level, can be spammed to get to, and so help me if I see people spamming in the Canyon...x.o The one place where there is no requirement, thus people don't spam to meet it...

This post has been edited by Ashe on Feb 14 2009, 10:22 AM

About the potion transformation... I kinda like it, but I agree that IC it's kinda like 'D:' to the Draconic.. however, as it was said by Uzag, if it were require RPing to get and all, then the Draconic would have to consent to the change. All kinds of stories pop up in plot... maybe it was maimed, and would accept any form that was NORMAL again. Maybe it had an accident and can no longer fly (if it flies) and would give ANYTHING for that chance again. Or, maybe it's just a shallow little being who would rather take another form they think suites them better.

I think it would HAVE to be RPed, and it would HAVE to be on the Draconic's consent... NOT the humans.

Though, if you think about it, that's even more plots! =O A human forcing the draconic into it... Forever a rift, but they're still family. DRAMA! And something forever striving to be seen as good... Or a grudge. >3

Course, mine would LOVE to fly, but growing wings on a Malavos wouldn't happen. Dx