Galactic Empire vs. The Covenant

aww...then we could have really had Empire vs Covenant

An another forum beat us to it. It goes over everything


http://www.bautforum.com/small-media-large...-star-wars.html

I'd say it'd be an even fight but the Empire would win because they have XBOX HUEG star destroyers and stuff. :P

how about......the Technocratic Hegemony vs the Theline Epistomocracy

I've been reading this at work and snickering to myself. I don't know why I find the notion of stormtroopers not being able to hit anything so funny, but I do! XD

lol, I remember this one guy, Thrawn or something writing like page long essays as posts

Man, that guy ticked me off. All the "evidence" he ever gave boiled down to "No, you're totally wrong, Empire wins." It was interesting when both sides tried to break it down with science, but then it just turned into a pointless hurling of subjective arguments like monkey poo.

In short, it boils down to Empire superiority in the Star War's Universe.

If the Empire was forced to be realistic then I do believe that the Covenant would have superiority.

what do you mean realistic


The covenant in halo, seems to have been winning before the start of the halo trilogy, but in the game, it is obvious that their ground forces suck. If you take modern day weapons like anti aircraft missles, and fire and forget missles, the covenants direct line of site weapons would be useless. (except for plasma motars, but those are innacurate and short ranged.) Not to mention comedic infantry units like the grunts. They had glassing, which is why they did as well as they did.

Now in Star Wars, the technological superiority over the Alliance is apparent, and mentioned several times. It is obvious that the Alliance is outgunned and manned. realistically, they would have won, before Endor. But, like Halo, the units used in front of the camera are flawed. But then take it back to the prequels. The grand army of the Republic and Clone Troopers. They used roughly the same equipment of the Empire, and slaughtered the CIS droid armies (as seen in the battle of geonosis) those movies, can give the audience an idea of how the Empire should realistically fight.

So in the end, both factions are rediculously underpowered as depicted in their main money making trilogies. Now if you go by their expanded universe depictions. The Covenant is more fearsome (grunts are not as cowardly and such), but their weapons and vehicles remain the same. The Empire's stormtroopers are now adept at their jobs, and retain their advanced weapondry and vehicles that could cut apart the covenant (homing rockets and missles, superior weapondry, faster hover vehicles)

They are in two seperate universes, but the SW universe is more advanced. By being realistic, I think you mean dumed down to the tech level of the halo universe.

Eh, the UNSC was superior in some respects. Primarily training and such. The Covenant had better tech (but pretty much every conflict not done on paper tends to show tech isnt everything.)

You have to approach the conflict bearing in mind the Covenant don't see Humanity as a sapient species, merely "clever rodents" so they have no aversions to appearing over, lets say, Reach and nuking the heck out of it.

good point.

The GE is composed of Alien hating humans, and the covenant is composed of Human hating Aliens.....should make for some grizzly fighting

so, the covenant goes to Glass Imperial planets without thought....oh wait, planetary shields, damn, so then the fighting takes place on conventional terms

Imperials go to bombard Covenant planets without reservation....and who knows what they have

ooc: GE btw, it logged me off

Realistic as in applying physics, energy consumption, realistic FTL speed, population ratios, ship size, et al.

Not as in dumbing down, but simply applying realistic factors.

It just gets back to my earlier point that SW is a work of fantasy, where the props don't have to make sense. The Halo universe is founded on harder sci-fi (if not completely hard - half-mast, perhaps ), so while it certainly appears "dumbed down" in comparison to SW tech, it's easier to compare to/with because it's founded on understood science. I agree that removing the handwavium and the unobtainium from SW would even the playing field massively in favor of the Covenant.

I'm trying to understand what you are talking about. Slipspace is anologous to hyperdrive. Plasma vs. Blaster Bolts, shields....

Yes, but what is the scientific theory behind the hyperdrive? How exactly does it work? What are blaster bolts made of? How are they created, and how does the blaster machinery work? What are the measurable scientific stats of a blaster bolt, eg, its temperature, mass, velocity, etc, that can be used to calculate its lethality versus a glob of plasma? Do any of these values exist and are they within plausible bounds? That's what we're talking about, and what some of the people in the other thread were trying to work out.

Blaster

it reveals the technical and mechanical information


Hyperdrive


I think that thread existed before wookiepedia was refined enough.