Don’t know why I even try… PC.NET

Posted this in response to the thread running: Am I a whiner?

My post was in reference to a member saying “yeah right, like you’d work 12/7” to this quoted post below, the last one on the thread as of now. In the usual RV.net fashion the post was gone before I finished typing and my reply was gone in seconds! :rolleyes:

“yes you are a big whiner be happy you have a job and can get some ot wheater it is forced or not i bet there are a bunch of people just waiting to get your job that would jump at the chance for some ot. I look at it like this if they are paying i am staying.”

My post;

"I’ll post this anyway but was responding to the last post on the thread that is gone now, not sure if it will make any sense though at this point.

Wanna bet? I could show you a lot of people that are willing to work that hard to survive. The problem is the majority aren’t US citizens. I don’t support anything that goes against the rules and never will, but do have a higher respect for the efforts given by some.

Btw, some good news for those that have followed my ramblings over the years, not exactly sure how we’re going to pull this off yet given the current conditions. But one of the biggest builders in the country gave us all the subdivisions in Florida that buy our products today, that might sound big, but I’m just another guy trying to survive. But it will provide jobs and I will figure out how to pull it off, even if I have to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. But I’m used to 30 straight days working in the early days that was mostly physical labor building my business… I never tell a lie!

When people get hungry enough we’ll get all this figured out and back on track again."

The moderation there... Sucks!

I know what you mean, Don. My last post there this morning got zapped too. I don't know why I bother anymore. Don't even think of posting anything even halfway heartfelt, let alone anything poltical.

I'd expect more tollerant moderation from the Nazi SS. My last post was concerning allowing pets to roam freely in a vehicle while driving. I reminisced about the loss of freedom I experienced in my youth, when we would all pile, restraintless into the back of a station wagon or a pick-up. I lamented the curtailment of our freedoms back from the optional seatbelt and pre-car seat era of the 60's and 70's. What was the social norm back then would land you in jail today. I guess my observations aren't appreciated there. That's why we gather here.

My previous deleted post was similar to yours. A California Govt. worker was whining about the losing their free cell phone and private use of a govt. vehicle. Needless to say I gave them a shot of reality, as I only get reimbursed 31 cents a mile by my employer for the use of my own vehicle for business use. I wasn't complaining, just stating that they should be grateful for the blessings they receive in these hard times. I guess all liberal views are permitted, but they won't listen to someone who actually works for a living at a fair, non-union wage. F those guys.

I'll listen to you buddy. Blast away.

Times are fixin' to get very hard. Well survive, but they'll be the ones seen on TV rioting in the streets. Oh well, you can't say we didn't try to warn them.

Chip

Chip, that site has a purpose and understand their goal, keep it as neutral as possible to sell their products.

I’m not a political guy, I try to see and understand things for what they are and make the best decisions possible. Most people can’t or don’t want to see or understand how far things have slid.

We either wakeup our lazy welfare class and get them producing something or we fail. All of this is starting to come together in my mind, over the years reading how people think and statements like ‘would you do that work’ gives me a good idea of how we got to where we are today. You’re right, we will survive. I’d hate to be a liberal if the SHTF for real, they will be even more lost than they are right now.

One of the best laughs I have had recently came over at RV.net at Christmas time. Someone started a post Wishing the mods a Merry Christmas. I think there were only two replies and one of those was from a mod. I thought that was kind of ironic but then I'm kind of warped. :blink:

The only way to put the vast majority of those on welfare (and many drawing unemployment) to work is to stop paying them for not working. It's like paying farmers not to plant a crop. What's up with that? Afterall, we only get what we pay for. As Ben Franklin said, we need to make the poor uncomfortable in their poverty. We need reward thrift and industry and punish laziness. Nature will do most of this herself, all we need to do is stand back and stop perverting the natural order of things.

Why is government even in the business of charity? Isn't that the role of private charities and religious organizations who can more efficiently monitor the true needs of the recipients? Isn't there a supposed separation between church and state? Why then is govt. involved in religious activities like charity? Where is their constitutional authority to redistribute wealth by giving my hard earned tax dollars to someone who didn't earn it and doesn't deserve it? Unemployment insurance is a commodity that may be offered by private companies - and many do. What business does the State have of selling insurance? Any insurance policy you buy spells out the exact benefits. For example, pay x% of your salary in premiums and get 50% of your pay for 26 weeks if you lose your job through no fault of your own. The rate would be subject to your job classification, so a construction worker might pay a higher rate than say a physcian, as they are more likely to get layed-off. It would also be determined by the free market, not bureaucrats. The policy is not subject to an unfunded and indefinate extension of benefits. That would be absurd, as no one could do business that way. The insurance companies would all go bankrupt, like our government is about to do. Oh wait, they won't go bankrupt, as long as they are allowed to steal the money out of your savings and retirement by printing money out of thin air, thus devaluing your bank account.

I think our progressive tax scale needs to be slanted in the reverse direction, so the less someone makes the higher their tax rate. Tell the IRS you only make say $5k/yr and you should be forced to pay 1/3 of it in taxes. Make $10k/yr and pay 25% in taxes. Make 20k/yr and pay 15%, and so on, so folks making say $75k/yr or more would only pay 10% in taxes. No deductions need be allowed. I don't care if you have 20 kids. I didn't make them, so why should I have to pay for them? Remove all interest deductions too, as this would remove the incentive to borrow, promoting a more financially sound society. This system would encourage everyone to work hard - working 2 jobs if necessary to keep their taxes low. Whatever you encourage happens. We have been encouraging bad behavior for far too long. It's time to pay the piper.

If we do have a social meltdown (an ever increasing eventuality considering the events unfolding in today's news) we'd better have plenty of ammo (a little food wouldn't hurt either,) cause folks used to getting their hands in your pockets will try to continue to take what doesn't belong to them - including the lives of your loved ones. One only has to look back at Katrina to see what will happen. Now imagine a EOTWAWKI scenario where things will be much, much worse, with no end in sight.

I bought my Aliner as a mobile bug-out retreat after Katrina. As I see it, our only hope of survival in this almost unthinkable post apocolyptic environment would be to form small, flexible, mobile communities of like-minded, self-sufficeint families that could work cooperatively to foster specialization and fend off small threats. Yet we would be able to move rapidly and disband quickly, to avoid a large, heavily armed military type attack force. This type of loosely knit social structure would allow us all to disperse and "go to ground" to avoid a concentrated assault that any fixed installation would attract. We would be like water; the tighter the Govt, the military, paramilitary groups, etc. would try to squeeze us, the more would slip through their fingers. When they release their grip we'll puddle, grow and may even thrive. At least many of us will be able to survive the worst of it until some semblance of civilization eventually returns. The Libs and the unprepared will get a tough lesson from Darwin. IMHO

Chip

As usual Chip, great thoughts and ideas on how we go about solving the real problems. Our government just dances around problems be it the left or right, if we can’t deal with the root of the problems it is going to be just more of the same until the inevitable happens. I never thought I’d see states considering bankruptcy, is this really happening…? I stink at articulating my thoughts in detail, but smart enough to know we’re at the point of the straw that broke the camel’s back. We don't have the ability to be competitive anymore and with a deficit nearing our economy it’s just a matter of time till China cuts our credit and the house is coming down, we have no way to compete today.

Sometimes I wish I didn’t think this stuff through thoroughly and try to understand it, in a nut shell we need to wake the generation after generation of indigents up that enjoy their position, and believe me they do. The stories I hear from the” free” hospital are amazing, if I hear the term “my baby daddy” did this or that again I think I’m going to puke!

Between my mom, sister and I we have a fair amount of acreage in Tennessee if a real bug-out was needed and pretty sure we could survive. Hope it doesn’t come to that but unless we stop this hardcore liberal/socialist/communist agenda it might be needed because they’re serious about destroying America. The first clue is watching them proudly say ‘take my rights away’ the government knows best! The good thing is, at least from what I heard is Obama and their hardcore push to socialism has been the best thing that could happen for our country because it’s making folks on both sides see the lunatic direction we’re headed in. The simplest way I can express it and have said it a few times is there is no free lunch no matter how much people want to complicate that and hand their freedoms over because of it.

Chip:
The separation of church and state has nothing to do with saying prayers in meetings, schools etc, nor keeping Christ off gov't property. It was meant to keep a church (like the Church of England) from running the gov't. That original meaning has been bastardized by the courts.

I agree, however this concept also prevents the govt. from taking on religious functions, thereby acting as a defacto religion. If govt. were to assume such a role, it would essentially become a State religion (if not by name, in function). It would be the same as if the Govt. tried to ban people from attending the church of their choice or compelled them to so attend.

One of the functions of religion is to assist us in our efforts to be our brother's keeper, if so inclined. In other words, collecting voluntary contributions and distributing it among the truly needy, who are unable to meet the basic necessities of life. Private, secular organizations and charities can and should also fill this role, however government can not unequally distribite involuntarily collected tax dollars without favoring one group of people at the expense of another. Who would decide which group to favor? Wouldn't this be like bailing out certain financial institutions and private businesses such as GE and GM at the detriment of their competition? Oh wait, didn't we do just that?

I think Calvin Coolidge (my favorite President) understood this concept best, refusing to use federal funds intended to benefit the county as a whole, to benefit a certain segment of the population - regardless of the real or perceived need. He understood the danger of wealth confiscation and redistribution by the State. Once you start down this path, even though for benevolent reasons, where would it end? Let's just steal (tax) everyone's income above a certain arbitrary level, let's say, $100k and divide it up among everyone who makes less than $10k? Or better yet, let's just take the earnings of white males who earn over $100k and divide it up among female minorities making less than $10k? Whatever system we eventually decided on would not be fair to the others. This is the great danger of a democracy. James Bovard said it best, "Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote." The right to keep the property we have earned, and not have it taken from us against our will, even by our government is one of those "certain inalienable rights" not specifically mentioned, but forcefully alluded to by our founding fathers. The government's role is to protect our property, not strip if from us for their own ends, whether intended for benevolent or nefarious purposes.

Chip

“my baby daddy”..........lol.........makes me glad I am white......How about some of the lower class names they come up with "Tawanda"..."Shierelle".....nevermind, I just can't stand it..............

Actually Bob, I'm kinda partial to "Lemonjello and Orangejello." ;)

Though I couldn't argue with you if you chose the white trash names "Deniece and Denephew" instead. ;)

Chip

There are some pretty interesting names out there for sure! One of my wife’s young patients at the “free hospital” had a full back tattoo that said ‘gangsta bitch’ on her lower back with smoking guns on each shoulder blade. Nice! :rolleyes:

Some really strange birds out there!

Wow! And I thought I was the only one who thought this country was lost. I try not to be political as most forums will flame anyone who has any sense. I've worked with the other natives who cross our borders legaly and they will work when our lazy citizens won't. No mater how many hours and days in a row. Admire anyone who wants to work. The old saying: 8 hours work for 8 hours pay. Wish we could get the idiots in DC out starting with the top dog. We don't have a president, we have a "yes man". Nough said, Ed

Welcome Ed....No, you won't get flamed for speaking your mind on this forum, as long as you respect the other persons right to also speak their mind. You might not agree with the other person and a lively dialog is welcome, just don't attack the others for their beliefs.
Bob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4BbMisj6s

I saw a girl at the amusement park the other day that had a tattoo of a hand gun that took up her whole upper arm. I couldn't read the writing that went with it, but I guarantee, I wasn't impressed.

Stop it you guys. You are really turning me on - Not!

What I really think is hot are chicks with bolts through their tongue and pierced eyebrows. If I could only find one with a shaved head and a giant swastika tattooed where her hair used to be. That my friends would be true love! :wub: :rolleyes: :D

Here's another one of my favorites. Don't want too look fat naked, but can't take the time to lose weight? Well here it is, the body girdle: (warning, disturbing image)

http://www.spiritweasel.com/wp-content/upl...94792_f4961.jpg

Yup, I'm looking for a girl with that, and the infamous eyeball tattoo. Ok, this image is far too disturbing for me to post. If you really want to see it, just google it. But be forewarned....

Chip